Select to expand quoteGustyas said..geordieboy said..
Mr RPM must be pissed off now he has sent me a personal message has anyone else recieved one
the the answer to his question is yes
What was his question geordieboy? RPM is a little pisshead, a kite teacher drop out, rides a girl size board. Has a history of a abusing others on the forum as well as via PMs. Obviously in need of some help as he seems severely mentally challenged. If he were to apply the same attitude he shows online in real life I am sure someone at some stage will sort him out 
He asked if I could self launch and land I'm not intimidated too old in the tooth for that cr&p
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day!
Teach a man how to catch a fish and he will eat for the rest of his life!
Helping someone launch or land their kite takes 30 seconds..
where i kite every helps everyone to land and launch and its always good to have a chat to people
Bad attitude towards people methinks
Over in Qld for the holidays and got the Mrs some lessons to see if she would be keen to take up the sport.
While at the beach watching her lesson I thought I would help someone launch, gave her the thumbs up as I stood by her kite and got a confirmation nod.
Held the kite in the correct position and watched for a thumbs up. 
She then pulled her bar before taking up her front line slack punting me, I sat the kite back on the beach and stepped away
She got another person to launch her accusing me of doing something wrong, this person also got punted about 3 metres.
She later approached me telling me off for touching her gear,
If she wanted a launch she informed me that she would have patted her head which is apparently the correct sign,
At my local we must be backwards because that is the sign to land and thumbs up is all about launching.
Rant over 
I launched a guy today or rather I started to, only to see he had only attached his front lines so quickly dropped kite back down..
If he attempted a self launch the rents & 6 kids 50 Ms down wind would have an interesting start to their new year.
RPM'S right self launch & f ..k everyone else
Select to expand quotediginoz said..
I launched a guy today or rather I started to, only to see he had only attached his front lines so quickly dropped kite back down..
If he attempted a self launch the rents & 6 kids 50 Ms down wind would have an interesting start to their new year.
RPM'S right self launch & f ..k everyone else
If something goes wrong with a self launch (likely for a newby and still possible for experienced kiters) then everyone else nearby could be f ..ked.
Assisted launching and landing is safer, especially in stronger winds.
I can't believe we are still arguing over self or assisted launches on the beach. Right or wrong, we should be on the lookout for everyone on the beach, no matter what their skill level. 
Select to expand quotePeterc150 said...diginoz said..
I launched a guy today or rather I started to, only to see he had only attached his front lines so quickly dropped kite back down..
If he attempted a self launch the rents & 6 kids 50 Ms down wind would have an interesting start to their new year.
RPM'S right self launch & f ..k everyone else
If something goes wrong with a self launch (likely for a newby and still possible for experienced kiters) then everyone else nearby could be f ..ked.
Assisted launching and landing is safer, especially in stronger winds.
Being incompetent at setting up your gear has nothing to do with learning to self launch.
What I'm saying is that if you are thorough in setting up, clear lines from under your kite, make sure you are doing it when there is a clear section of beach and have been taught to do it correctly it is very easy and safe.
But it seems that it's all too hard and people are scared. The only reason they are scared is because they can't to it properly.
If you have kite control then your next step should be learning to do it as what are you going to do if your first of last on the beach and nobody is around?
Select to expand quotefingerbone said..
I see it this way. Help a stranger , make a friend.
he might have a good looking sister
Select to expand quoteLoftywinds said..
I can't believe we are still arguing over self or assisted launches on the beach. Right or wrong, we should be on the lookout for everyone on the beach, no matter what their skill level.
what I can't believe is that Lofty got some green thumbs
this ****'s blowing my mind
Select to expand quoteRPM said..
Why do noobs have a knack of asking you to launch them when you are smack bang in the middle of setting your gear up? Sure the wind is pumping and I want to get out on the water just as much as you but how about learning self land/launch?? It's not that difficult.. Why can't they pick someone else who isn't busy and is just sitting around.?? Sure they are 30 meters away but WTF people..
My New Years resolution is not to launch anyone at my local spot and ask them if they would like to learn self launch for 5 mins instead. This way I'm doing my part and not encouraging them to be babies who need to rely on everyone else to launch their kite.
I would like to see everyone adopt this also as it seems like people are frightened to be a self sufficient kiter or are too lazy to learn self land/launch
Why do friends and acquaintances have a knack of bumping into me at the beach carpark just when I'm smack bang in the middle of dicking around with my gear ?
Sure the wind is nuking and the waves are maching,
and I want to get out on the water as much as the next bagger,
why is life so difficult..
Why can't they trap someone else they know into the long chat who isn't busy and is just sitting around. ??
Sure they are 30 metres away but WTF people..
My New Years resolution is to be more aloof at my local spot,
and then ask them if they would like to learn to STFU for 5 mins instead.
This way I'm doing my part by not encouraging them to be such needy arseholes who crave social contact for some kind of validation.
I would like to see every kiter adopt this also as it seems like people are frightened to be self-centred,
or are too lazy to learn self-obsession/rudeness.
lol.
Select to expand quoteRPM said..Peterc150 said...diginoz said..
I launched a guy today or rather I started to, only to see he had only attached his front lines so quickly dropped kite back down..
If he attempted a self launch the rents & 6 kids 50 Ms down wind would have an interesting start to their new year.
RPM'S right self launch & f ..k everyone else
If something goes wrong with a self launch (likely for a newby and still possible for experienced kiters) then everyone else nearby could be f ..ked.
Assisted launching and landing is safer, especially in stronger winds.
Being incompetent at setting up your gear has nothing to do with learning to self launch.
What I'm saying is that if you are thorough in setting up, clear lines from under your kite, make sure you are doing it when there is a clear section of beach and have been taught to do it correctly it is very easy and safe.
But it seems that it's all too hard and people are scared. The only reason they are scared is because they can't to it properly.
If you have kite control then your next step should be learning to do it as what are you going to do if your first of last on the beach and nobody is around?
Dig that hole a bit deeper mate
Hope I never get to the stage of not having 2 min to help someone or forgetting what it was like to be learning or understand kite etiquette .
Then again you always find there is one person in there on ego little world who says stuff everyone else.
Good to see that most of the replies for this post are in favour of helping the guys/girls learning.
Select to expand quoteRPM said..
Peterc150 said...
diginoz said..
I launched a guy today or rather I started to, only to see he had only attached his front lines so quickly dropped kite back down..
If he attempted a self launch the rents & 6 kids 50 Ms down wind would have an interesting start to their new year.
RPM'S right self launch & f ..k everyone else
If something goes wrong with a self launch (likely for a newby and still possible for experienced kiters) then everyone else nearby could be f ..ked.
Assisted launching and landing is safer, especially in stronger winds.
Being incompetent at setting up your gear has nothing to do with learning to self launch.
What I'm saying is that if you are thorough in setting up, clear lines from under your kite, make sure you are doing it when there is a clear section of beach and have been taught to do it correctly it is very easy and safe.
But it seems that it's all too hard and people are scared. The only reason they are scared is because they can't to it properly.
If you have kite control then your next step should be learning to do it as what are you going to do if your first of last on the beach and nobody is around?
why not post a selfie, and then we all know who not to ask for a launch, land of our kites. simple ......... oooh and by the way i can self launch & land... and even with my bad habits am willing to help any kiter on my local beeeeaich...
Select to expand quotewaveslave said..RPM said..
Why do noobs have a knack of asking you to launch them when you are smack bang in the middle of setting your gear up? Sure the wind is pumping and I want to get out on the water just as much as you but how about learning self land/launch?? It's not that difficult.. Why can't they pick someone else who isn't busy and is just sitting around.?? Sure they are 30 meters away but WTF people..
My New Years resolution is not to launch anyone at my local spot and ask them if they would like to learn self launch for 5 mins instead. This way I'm doing my part and not encouraging them to be babies who need to rely on everyone else to launch their kite.
I would like to see everyone adopt this also as it seems like people are frightened to be a self sufficient kiter or are too lazy to learn self land/launch
Why do friends and acquaintances have a knack of bumping into me at the beach carpark just when I'm smack bang in the middle of dicking around with my gear ?
Sure the wind is nuking and the waves are maching,
and I want to get out on the water as much as the next bagger,
why is life so difficult..
Why can't they trap someone else they know into the long chat who isn't busy and is just sitting around. ??
Sure they are 30 metres away but WTF people..
My New Years resolution is to be more aloof at my local spot,
and then ask them if they would like to learn to STFU for 5 mins instead.
This way I'm doing my part by not encouraging them to be such needy arseholes who crave social contact for some kind of validation.
I would like to see every kiter adopt this also as it seems like people are frightened to be self-centred,
or are too lazy to learn self-obsession/rudeness.
lol.
Thanks for launching my kite yesterday arvo man...
The original post and title I don't think the point is don't ask for a launch or land, it's don't ask while I'm rigging.....and to this I see some value.....in my view rigging and preflighting my gear is THE most critical phase of a session (personally I do this and check at least once, not just that it's rigged correctly but that I haven't missed anything in the gear condition etc.), get this wrong and whether you self launch /land or get an assist, the rest of this is irrelevant as it'll all go wrong for you...... timing is the issue sure ask for a launch or a land no worries, be only too happy but if someone is midway through rigging then I'd wait until they are done...then ask or ask someone who is just sitting on the beach.
I at one stage was a keen pilot in training and got a bit of an interest in how accidents happened so started reading the NTSB and ATSB accident reports for various aircraft types...interesting thing is that a great number of them start before the aircraft leaves the ground generally during the pre-flight, often times in these cases the pilot was distracted during the preflight (someone coming to chat) and missed something or alternatively asked co-pilot to to do some and both assumed other had checked an item which ultimately went unchecked (in at least two cases I have read this included fuel level ). I guess an extreme example but none the less does have in my mind some similarity, so do what you will with it 2c for the grinder.
Seems like this thread is mostly a repost thread! I think rpm has a valid point and so too does slavey!
Select to expand quoteRPM said..
Why do noobs have a knack of asking you to launch them when you are smack bang in the middle of setting your gear up? Sure the wind is pumping and I want to get out on the water just as much as you but how about learning self land/launch?? It's not that difficult.. Why can't they pick someone else who isn't busy and is just sitting around.?? Sure they are 30 meters away but WTF people..
My New Years resolution is not to launch anyone at my local spot and ask them if they would like to learn self launch for 5 mins instead. This way I'm doing my part and not encouraging them to be babies who need to rely on everyone else to launch their kite.
I would like to see everyone adopt this also as it seems like people are frightened to be a self sufficient kiter or are too lazy to learn self land/launch
Well Mate talk about noobs you just became the biggest NOOB with that post if you are not willing to help other fellow kiter then do something else.
Good luck with your new year resolution.... Mine is not to help idiot....... Got that?
Oh Gilloo, I'm willing to help anyone who wants to learn (except the French) the correct and safe way to self launch and land as it is one thing that isn't taught often.
This way they can pick up a new skill and get on the water sooner without the need for someone to hold their hand.
Dont let em drag you down rpm they wouldnt know a good thing if it bit them on the ass. I only do downwinders whereevver I launch depending on the wind, I can be sure theres no kiters therefore no newb, cancelling out questions such as *how is the wind *what is the wind *where is the wind * what are you using *what is your name. This stuff can bring a mans session crashing through the abyss. Be strong.
Select to expand quoteRPM said..
Maybe Waveslave can reintroduce his launch pad???
The LaunchPad (patent-pending) is the responsible method of self-launching on a very crowded and confined family beach such as my local.
(Of course I'm the only kiter that employs this method.) lol.
Self-launching using the slide method will get kiting banned at my family spot.
The local kiters know this, we all tread lightly amongst the mums and dads and kids,
we assist each other, it's like walking on egg shells.
lol.
^^
Your so full of it. We have all seen you lay out your lines and your wife's amongst the Mums,Dads,Children. Stop talking yourself up.
At your age you should know better.
Select to expand quoteIspy said..
^^
Your so full of it. We have all seen you lay out your lines and your wife's amongst the Mums,Dads,Children. Stop talking yourself up.
At your age you should know better.
Hi Ispy,
I'm sorry ...
but have we met ?
Select to expand quoteIspy said..
^^
We have all seen you lay out your lines and your wife's amongst the Mums,Dads,Children.
It's a case of learning to share the beach. ^^^
The mums and dads and kids are johnny-come-latelys.
Before the families discovered the north-facing beach which is my local,
the spot was unoccupied for decades ....
except for the poleys and the baggers and a few fishers.
lol.
Now we must learn to share.
We need to co-exist.
Right ?
Yes we do need to co exist but we shouldn't put people at risk either. The johnny come latelys don't know your a local. They are just having a nice day at the beach and that's all we can all ask for.
See you next year 
Select to expand quotewaveslave said...RPM said..
Maybe Waveslave can reintroduce his launch pad???
The LaunchPad (patent-pending) is the responsible method of self-launching on a very crowded and confined family beach such as my local.
Do you have any specifications or pictures of the waveslave launchpad for the uneducated seabreeze punters?
With today's crowd funding potential there may be someone who can get this project going!
lol.
correct me if I'm wrong but its a bag of sand and a safety leash to allow solo self launch, without having to drag launch
