Select to expand quotewaveslave said..dusta said..
If you can believe the words of a man in shock, he steered his kite towards the tree rather than the road and released his safety just before hitting the tree.
He should have let go of the bar totally ... not steered the kite anywhere.
But he knows that.
What sort of novice advice is that.? Do you not know how to fly kites during a jump?
He obviously looked at his sorroundings and flew the kite towards the trees on purpose as they may have been the best option for survival.
The Best thing to do in a lofting (if you are experienced) is actively fly the kite to give you the best chance for a soft landing and lack of injury.
Select to expand quotePlummet said..
waveslave said..
dusta said..
If you can believe the words of a man in shock, he steered his kite towards the tree rather than the road and released his safety just before hitting the tree.
He should have let go of the bar totally ... not steered the kite anywhere.
But he knows that.
What sort of novice advice is that.? Do you not know how to fly kites during a jump?
He obviously looked at his sorroundings and flew the kite towards the trees on purpose as they may have been the best option for survival.
The Best thing to do in a lofting (if you are experienced) is actively fly the kite to give you the best chance for a soft landing and lack of injury.
A jump ?? ^^^
lol.
Maybe he could have chucked in a megaloop for good measure too.
It would have all happened in a heartbeat, dude.
There would have been no time to 'look around at your surroundings' and decide on a landing spot.
It was kite goes zoooom, then it was boooom.
Get well soon, Johnno.
Select to expand quotewaveslave said..Plummet said..waveslave said..dusta said..
If you can believe the words of a man in shock, he steered his kite towards the tree rather than the road and released his safety just before hitting the tree.
He should have let go of the bar totally ... not steered the kite anywhere.
But he knows that.
What sort of novice advice is that.? Do you not know how to fly kites during a jump?
He obviously looked at his sorroundings and flew the kite towards the trees on purpose as they may have been the best option for survival.
The Best thing to do in a lofting (if you are experienced) is actively fly the kite to give you the best chance for a soft landing and lack of injury.
Jump ?? ^^^
lol.
Maybe he could have chucked in a megaloop for good measure too.
It would have all happened in a heartbeat, dude.
There would have been no time to 'look around at your surroundings' and decide on a landing spot.
It was kite goes zoooom, then it was boooom.
Get well soon, Johnno.
Don't you fly high aspect foils? Don't you do jumps on land close to buildings and trees? Doesn't seem like you know what your talking about.
You go up. Then you glide..... glide.... glide...... close to buildings and trees can get you hovering like a paraglider.
So when you are up there you have a chance to fly the kite for a better result. Do i fly it towards the power lines? or the cars drive on the road or the houses or the trees?
When you get lofted on the water do you fly the kite actively like a jump or do you dead sailor it and hope for the best?
Over land you must land smoothly and softly. If you deadsailor on land you are bound for injuries. If you keep a cool head and fly the kite for a soft landing that will give you the best result.
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Phezulu1 said..
I just checked my newish (2 months) bar and it has the same as Steve's bar above - what looks like a crack in the plastic, it also looks like it might have something to do with moulding - like the plastic flows together at this point.
I also checked an older bar 2013ish and the plastic moulding is different - it doesn't have the little hole on the top and it is fine. Maybe somebody changed something and didn't tell anyone...
Ok. I get it now. The location has buildings and trees directly down wind. They can be provide a bit of ridge lift. The broken clean provides and instant power up and loft. The ridge lift gives exact loft closer to the trees and buildings. The Chrono also likes bar out during flight or it can drop you fast. So broken cleat would give the lofting then also stall the kite for a fast decent and hard landing. Ouch.
I don't think ridge lift has anything o do with it. He would have launched his kite meters from the tress, they are elevated from sea level by less than a meter. If the wind was 15 kt and his front lines lengthened by 20 cm, then effectively he's asked for full power, meters from trees.
I've been properly lofted at majestic point before, wind was Northerly 12ishkts, 15 meter kite at 12 o'clock doing a slow speed transition, and was instantly about 8-10 meters in the air before I could do anything, followed by 20kts downwind speed before smashing into the retaining wall.
Common lesson - don't kite upwind of stuff you don't want to hit - It's bloody obvious but, he probably would have no injuries if he landed in the water
Get well soon mate !
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Don't you do jumps on land close to buildings and trees? Doesn't seem like you know what your talking about.
You go up. Then you glide..... glide.... glide...... close to buildings and trees can get you hovering like a paraglider.
Nah, that's not my scene. ^^^
lol.
I just kite waves, dude.
Its been a shock to many thats this has happened to one of the most respected and experiencd kiters around.
For many, Jono is the reason they got into racing, his passion for the sport in every regard is well know.
Jono is always up for a chat about kiting, and always been availlable for advise or to offer up a lending hand to those progressing through the sport.Accidents are always unfortunate, and we hope always avoidable.
Yes there will be a time to learn what we can from this with clear & accurate information on hand, but already there are incorrect assumptions driving debates.
Nobody saw the actual event occur, only the aftermath. We have not heard from Jono, or know what he recalls.
A thread that was for well wishes for Jono is now turning into an espisode & debate of crash investigation.
Thoughts go out to Jono and his family. Get well soon Jono, wishing you a speedy recovery!
Man that Sux, just shows it can happen to the best of us.
Speedy recovery Jonno
DM
best wishes for speedy recovery Keysee
+ been there done that!! ( ambo trip to RPH) after a
similar venture into the trees, but at peli point - AC joint + concussion - lucky
every accident or near miss provides opportunity to remind all to check their gear and procedures
look at aircraft industry
no one would wish an accident on anyone
but it is well worth discussing ( in a mature fashion) and that is in no way a slur or meant negatively towards JK
hopefully prevents any more mishaps
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I've never kited there Plums but the location and Johnno's kite they showed on the news was a beach barely a few metres wide before there trees and road.
onshore wind.....broken clamcleat which according to ben turned the 19m foil kite into a paraglider......then stand with it at zenith infront of a tree/obstacles.......
this is the exact scenario every paraglider uses to do coastal soaring/flying
jono i dont know you but if you had any fun at all give old mate down in albany a bell and pick up your pg licence :P
Select to expand quotePlummet said..
Don't you fly high aspect foils? Don't you do jumps on land close to buildings and trees? Doesn't seem like you know what your talking about.
You go up. Then you glide..... glide.... glide...... close to buildings and trees can get you hovering like a paraglider.
So when you are up there you have a chance to fly the kite for a better result. Do i fly it towards the power lines? or the cars drive on the road or the houses or the trees?
plummet this is pretty much how wide the beach is for about a kilometre
Select to expand quotescubaste said..
I have just taken my own advice and checked my clamcleat........it has a crack in the centre of the pic
I had another look at my one in the sun, and I reckon it's a mould line on mine and not a crack. Probably still a good idea for people to check them though!
Get well soon Johno!
Select to expand quotedusta said..Plummet said..
Don't you fly high aspect foils? Don't you do jumps on land close to buildings and trees? Doesn't seem like you know what your talking about.
You go up. Then you glide..... glide.... glide...... close to buildings and trees can get you hovering like a paraglider.
So when you are up there you have a chance to fly the kite for a better result. Do i fly it towards the power lines? or the cars drive on the road or the houses or the trees?
plummet this is pretty much how wide the beach is for about a kilometre
Yeah. That's a tight spot man. I can see how the accident is possible.
Select to expand quotedusta said..
can we keep discussion of this and that to another f^#%@ thread .
Select to expand quotedusta said...Plummet said..
Don't you fly high aspect foils? Don't you do jumps on land close to buildings and trees? Doesn't seem like you know what your talking about.
You go up. Then you glide..... glide.... glide...... close to buildings and trees can get you hovering like a paraglider.
So when you are up there you have a chance to fly the kite for a better result. Do i fly it towards the power lines? or the cars drive on the road or the houses or the trees?
plummet this is pretty much how wide the beach is for about a kilometre
How old is that photo? Looks a lot different to when I was there last. There's about 3 times as much room as there used to be.
Sorry to hear the news about the accident Johnno. Hope you have a speedy recovery and that's the last of your misfortune.
Just had a chat to Mr keys on the phone . He is in good spirits . No damage to his back or spine . Just has a few broken ribs and punctured lung along with a broken right upper right arm .
Spoke to him about what happened and it was simply a gust that lofted him and not gear failure . He said wind was 8-10 knots .Put up his 19 like we all do everytime we go out foiling in 10ish knots . A little gust came through so he sheeted in and got a little lift . Then another gust came through and just picked him straight up . As a foil is soo efficient he just kept going up . Was heading towards the road so steered away from it towards the trees and as it got closer he dropped down due to wind dropping off . The tree he hit was a paperbark so if your going to hit a tree then a soft tree like the paperbark is probably a better option than the road .
All in all from his account apart from it being directly onshore it was no different to the 100 other days at melville we kite in light winds .
Funny end to the story turns out he is in the trauma ward with another kiter . This accident was kept quiet but a guy named Dalton bray i think it was from dampier before christmas got lofted on his 17m . Johnno and Dalton are sharing a room haha .
Even Johnno is laughing about that.
If anyone was thinking of popping in to see him he said he would prefer to just chill at the moment and will let everyone know when he feels up for visitors .
Select to expand quoteUnhook3d said..dusta said...Plummet said..
Don't you fly high aspect foils? Don't you do jumps on land close to buildings and trees? Doesn't seem like you know what your talking about.
You go up. Then you glide..... glide.... glide...... close to buildings and trees can get you hovering like a paraglider.
So when you are up there you have a chance to fly the kite for a better result. Do i fly it towards the power lines? or the cars drive on the road or the houses or the trees?
plummet this is pretty much how wide the beach is for about a kilometre
How old is that photo? Looks a lot different to when I was there last. There's about 3 times as much room as there used to be.
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Here is another view of Melville Beach taken a few weeks ago for those interested.
Hope you have a speedy recovery Jonno.
Thanks for that Dusta. Do you know if is injuries are because he hit the tree before landing or because he cam in hot and fast? or both?
I think i can offer some expertise in this area. As I regularly jump the chrono on land on my landboard close to buildings and trees. In fact when its 12 or so knots i use the extra ridge lift supplied by those structures to get extra height on marginal days. Occasionally there's more ridge lift than i expect or a gust hits and i get punted a lot higher than expected. Some times i even hover for a while without coming down.
So for guys who find them selves high about land on a high aspect foil like a Chrono.
Get the kite to the zenith.
Let the bar out completely. Hold the bar out as you come down.
Yourl come down fast. But thats ok. Your speeding the kite up.
A couple of meters before landing bar in hard and redirect like you would a jump.
That will give you a nice flair out and soft landing even if the wind has dropped out.
The worst thing you can do on a high aspect kite when lofted is hold the bar in on the way down. That will stall the kite drop you fast and you wont have the kite speed or flair out to soften things when you land. It will be a hard landing.
A little OT, but I hope who ever she it that it's not too bad. https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30572379/kitesurfer-injured-on-sandbar/
BTW, hope you have a speedy recovery Jonno.
Select to expand quotePlummet said...
I think i can offer some expertise in this area. As I regularly jump the chrono on land on my landboard close to buildings and trees.
That's gold ... pure gold. ^^
lol.
Select to expand quotedusta said..
Spoke to him about what happened and it was simply a gust that lofted him and not gear failure .
So what's the back-story on the broken cleat....VVV
Select to expand quotewaveslave said..Plummet said...
I think i can offer some expertise in this area. As I regularly jump the chrono on land on my landboard close to buildings and trees.
That's gold ... pure gold. ^^
lol.
? sounds like fun to me......
why wouldnt you want to hear from someone useing simular equipment to do all this in a controlled manner ?
cheers for the advice plum...... when you going to give dennis green from the taranaki free flyers a yell ay? your basicly there if your soaring structures anyways and its much easier with a pg wing and shorter lines
no idea why i got red thumbed for telling old mate that had the accident to contact jiri in albany about gliding if you get reasonably confident with all your canopy sports your understanding and safety really increases.
Hopefully his mates buy him a seat harness to get back out there before those ribs are healed.
Bloody ribs, i've done mine snowboarding.
Select to expand quotewaveslave said..dusta said..
Spoke to him about what happened and it was simply a gust that lofted him and not gear failure .
So what's the back-story on the broken cleat....VVV
have to wait until johnno is well enough to post , all i know is i asked him this morning if gear failure was the cause and he said no . From what he recalls the cleat gave way when he was already lofted but i'll let him post if and when he wants to .
Select to expand quotedusta said...
Just had a chat to Mr keys on the phone . He is in good spirits . No damage to his back or spine . Just has a few broken ribs and punctured lung along with a broken right upper right arm .
Spoke to him about what happened and it was simply a gust that lofted him and not gear failure . He said wind was 8-10 knots .Put up his 19 like we all do everytime we go out foiling in 10ish knots . A little gust came through so he sheeted in and got a little lift . Then another gust came through and just picked him straight up . As a foil is soo efficient he just kept going up . Was heading towards the road so steered away from it towards the trees and as it got closer he dropped down due to wind dropping off . The tree he hit was a paperbark so if your going to hit a tree then a soft tree like the paperbark is probably a better option than the road .
All in all from his account apart from it being directly onshore it was no different to the 100 other days at melville we kite in light winds .
Funny end to the story turns out he is in the trauma ward with another kiter . This accident was kept quiet but a guy named Dalton bray i think it was from dampier before christmas got lofted on his 17m . Johnno and Dalton are sharing a room haha .
Even Johnno is laughing about that.
If anyone was thinking of popping in to see him he said he would prefer to just chill at the moment and will let everyone know when he feels up for visitors .
Talking **** , about kites all day no doubt
Hey Johnno what size kite you got up, 19 maaaaaaatttteeeeee, Jeee that was a big jump I'm goin 17
Select to expand quoteKozzie said..
cheers for the advice plum...... when you going to give dennis green from the taranaki free flyers a yell ay? your basicly there if your soaring structures anyways and its much easier with a pg wing and shorter lines
Its on the cards man. But not at the moment. I have too many sports, young family and not enough time or money at the moment. Maybe when the kids start leaving home in 5-10 years time?
Speedy recovery Jonno!! I know all about kitemares, it can happen to anyone. I wish you all the best and hope you have lots of support. Adult colouring books are awesome, movies, online shopping and good books to pass the time!!
