Select to expand quotecammd said..FormulaNova said..
Personally, I would be happy if he kept up the isolation for another year.
This is the wrong way to look at things,
It may suit you to now to maintain isolation for another year but the problem is principle that is getting violated, its like the free speech argument, I would rarely agree with Bono or Logman or even yourself and it may suit me to suppress your opinions but I would always argue for your right to disagree and express your opinion that no matter how opposed to the idea I was.
Its the principle that is wrong, passports to cross borders in your own country, that should ring alarm bells and I am not hearing any opposition from either of the major parties. Not good.
Absolutely agree, it appears people are willing to sacrifice their rights of freedom for which our parents and grandparents fought for, what is life about if it's not for freedom and the right to move freely within at the least our own country. This all started years ago with legislation on the likes of no jab no play, no jab no pay ( government assistance)
Our government was elected democratically but now is behaving like a regime with too much power.
People might have been wondering about the seemingly erratic strategy adopted by the Federal and State health authorities in dealing with Covid.
This is pretty much a global issue as anyone who follows overseas developments will realise.
The reasons behind this are the use of applied behavioural psychology by governments. The following is a section of the transcript of Reiner Fuellmich's interview with Brian Gerrish from the UK Column:
"But I'll come back to the fact that we started to see very, very serious things things happening in the UK. If I just focus immediately on the Government's use of applied behavioural psychology: back in 2010 and 2011, we as the UK Column were warning that the Government had set up a team which was called the Behavioural Insights Team [UK Column note: whose former homepage address 'behaviouralinsights.co.uk' now redirects to the consciously globalist 'bi.team'].
This was a team of psychologists who were working directly alongside not only the political process, but the policy-forming process within the British Government.
A critical document which we found in 2010 was called Mindspace (you can find it very easily by searching online for it as a PDF document). In that document, the Government admitted that it was using applied behavioural psychology to influence how it designedpolicy and how it implemented policy.
At one particular point in that document-in fact, it's at the bottom of page 66, if I remember correctly-the Government boasts that it can change the way people think and behave, and that people will not be aware that this has been done to them. But it adds the caveat that if they do realise that their behaviour is changed, they will not know how it was changed."
(My emphasis added)
Complete transcript here: www.ukcolumn.org/index.php/article/brian-gerrishs-testimony-to-reiner-fullmich-our-oppressors-are-very-frightened-people
Select to expand quoteD3 said..
The Nirvana Fallacy
' the vaccine is not 100% effective, so why bother getting it?'
No one makes that argument about seatbelts anymore.
Plenty of people still making that argument about airbags.
Nothing like the peace of mind protecting your family with Takata airbags brings.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..lotofwind said..
I can sort of understand why a few people are terrified of the government and scared this is all just a way to control us.
But for what reason would the gov. put us in lock down, stop us from working/paying taxes, pay us to stay home,, putting a halt to tourism and may ask for covid passports to travel interstate restricting interstate tourism dollars......... so they can control us.... to do what ?
If the governments plan was to control us to not work and pay us to walk down the beach and surf all day........bring it on, I now love the government and may even vote for once.
What is it people are scared of that the gov. is trying to control you to do????
Not a student of history at all, are you...
No, not at all, I tend to live in the future and have never had an interest in history.
So please explain why the gov. want to stop us from working, paying taxes, stop local and international travel ? Why is this a planned conspiracy to control us from doing those things? What have they now gained?
Have been through a couple of short lockdowns now and everything went back to normal soon as they stopped and everyone carried on as life was before, except for overseas travel.
Select to expand quotemicksmith said..cammd said..FormulaNova said..
Personally, I would be happy if he kept up the isolation for another year.
This is the wrong way to look at things,
It may suit you to now to maintain isolation for another year but the problem is principle that is getting violated, its like the free speech argument, I would rarely agree with Bono or Logman or even yourself and it may suit me to suppress your opinions but I would always argue for your right to disagree and express your opinion that no matter how opposed to the idea I was.
Its the principle that is wrong, passports to cross borders in your own country, that should ring alarm bells and I am not hearing any opposition from either of the major parties. Not good.
Absolutely agree, it appears people are willing to sacrifice their rights of freedom for which our parents and grandparents fought for, what is life about if it's not for freedom and the right to move freely within at the least our own country. This all started years ago with legislation on the likes of no jab no play, no jab no pay ( government assistance)
Our government was elected democratically but now is behaving like a regime with too much power.
Fully agree. The vaccine is a sideshow and a diversion . The real concern for me is the right choose and not to be intimidated and blackmailed via loss of job etc . The next proposal is a bigger concern "the covid passport". That will cause segregation and not be able to be policed so they will bring in another solution that people will accept
out of convenience . We are selling out on our freedom. The vaccine rollout will not stop lockdowns or other restrictions .
Select to expand quoteGboots said..micksmith said..cammd said..FormulaNova said..
Personally, I would be happy if he kept up the isolation for another year.
This is the wrong way to look at things,
It may suit you to now to maintain isolation for another year but the problem is principle that is getting violated, its like the free speech argument, I would rarely agree with Bono or Logman or even yourself and it may suit me to suppress your opinions but I would always argue for your right to disagree and express your opinion that no matter how opposed to the idea I was.
Its the principle that is wrong, passports to cross borders in your own country, that should ring alarm bells and I am not hearing any opposition from either of the major parties. Not good.
Absolutely agree, it appears people are willing to sacrifice their rights of freedom for which our parents and grandparents fought for, what is life about if it's not for freedom and the right to move freely within at the least our own country. This all started years ago with legislation on the likes of no jab no play, no jab no pay ( government assistance)
Our government was elected democratically but now is behaving like a regime with too much power.
Fully agree. The vaccine is a sideshow and a diversion . The real concern for me is the right choose and not to be intimidated and blackmailed via loss of job etc . The next proposal is a bigger concern "the covid passport". That will cause segregation and not be able to be policed so they will bring in another solution that people will accept
out of convenience . We are selling out on our freedom. The vaccine rollout will not stop lockdowns or other restrictions .
So what is your solution?
I think if the gov. didnt do lockdowns, let people travel over seas, let them be free
and just let covid spread at will, and we had 10's of thousands die like a lot of other countrys, the same people would be complaining that the gov. did nothing, they should have locked down, they are killing us on purpose. lol
Commentators are saying NSW has lost control of the current outbreak, Victoria cases a low but rising. NSW is trying one last stab at reducing case numbers with full lockdown.
What if it fails, I really hope not but it could happen. Whether your pro or unvaxed you have to agree vaccination slows hospital admissions, we just don't have that many beds.
I'd be interested to know what plans the unvaxed have to protect themselves should case numbers explode. Masks and hand washing only goes so far. Or maybe Covid just doesn't exist for some.
Select to expand quoteGboots said..micksmith said..cammd said..FormulaNova said..
Personally, I would be happy if he kept up the isolation for another year.
This is the wrong way to look at things,
It may suit you to now to maintain isolation for another year but the problem is principle that is getting violated, its like the free speech argument, I would rarely agree with Bono or Logman or even yourself and it may suit me to suppress your opinions but I would always argue for your right to disagree and express your opinion that no matter how opposed to the idea I was.
Its the principle that is wrong, passports to cross borders in your own country, that should ring alarm bells and I am not hearing any opposition from either of the major parties. Not good.
Absolutely agree, it appears people are willing to sacrifice their rights of freedom for which our parents and grandparents fought for, what is life about if it's not for freedom and the right to move freely within at the least our own country. This all started years ago with legislation on the likes of no jab no play, no jab no pay ( government assistance)
Our government was elected democratically but now is behaving like a regime with too much power.
Fully agree. The vaccine is a sideshow and a diversion . The real concern for me is the right choose and not to be intimidated and blackmailed via loss of job etc . The next proposal is a bigger concern "the covid passport". That will cause segregation and not be able to be policed so they will bring in another solution that people will accept
out of convenience . We are selling out on our freedom. The vaccine rollout will not stop lockdowns or other restrictions .
Some of us have been carrying vaccine certificates for years. 15 years for me.
It was a requirement to carry a yellow fever certificate when entering France from West Africa on the way back to aussieland. Whilst not mandatory here, perhaps a similar system will be set up for Covid as exists for Yellow Fever:
www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/ohp-bio-yellow-fever.htm
Or, perhaps it won't. as the outcome of running the gauntlet with Covid seems to be already determined. The antivax population will have to live (or not) with their choice.
#FullyVaccinated.
Select to expand quoteD3 said..
In the US, once a person says they are vaccinated they do not get tested for covid.
That way you get the above results.
Select to expand quoteGboots said..
Fully agree. The vaccine is a sideshow and a diversion . The real concern for me is the right choose and not to be intimidated and blackmailed via loss of job etc . The next proposal is a bigger concern "the covid passport". That will cause segregation and not be able to be policed so they will bring in another solution that people will accept
out of convenience . We are selling out on our freedom. The vaccine rollout will not stop lockdowns or other restrictions .
Maybe fly to Indonesia for a surfing holiday and report back to us how you get on?
Secure a tank of oxygen, just in case.
Select to expand quoteairsail said..
Commentators are saying NSW has lost control of the current outbreak, Victoria cases a low but rising. NSW is trying one last stab at reducing case numbers with full lockdown.
What if it fails, I really hope not but it could happen. Whether your pro or unvaxed you have to agree vaccination slows hospital admissions, we just don't have that many beds.
I'd be interested to know what plans the unvaxed have to protect themselves should case numbers explode. Masks and hand washing only goes so far. Or maybe Covid just doesn't exist for some.
My plan is to eat well and hope for the best.
It's the same plan I had when this whole shmozzle started.
Fortunately, I see it's worked for most, some of them weren't even eating particularly well and still didn't suffer.
Select to expand quoteGboots said..micksmith said..cammd said..FormulaNova said..
Personally, I would be happy if he kept up the isolation for another year.
This is the wrong way to look at things,
It may suit you to now to maintain isolation for another year but the problem is principle that is getting violated, its like the free speech argument, I would rarely agree with Bono or Logman or even yourself and it may suit me to suppress your opinions but I would always argue for your right to disagree and express your opinion that no matter how opposed to the idea I was.
Its the principle that is wrong, passports to cross borders in your own country, that should ring alarm bells and I am not hearing any opposition from either of the major parties. Not good.
Absolutely agree, it appears people are willing to sacrifice their rights of freedom for which our parents and grandparents fought for, what is life about if it's not for freedom and the right to move freely within at the least our own country. This all started years ago with legislation on the likes of no jab no play, no jab no pay ( government assistance)
Our government was elected democratically but now is behaving like a regime with too much power.
Fully agree. The vaccine is a sideshow and a diversion . The real concern for me is the right choose and not to be intimidated and blackmailed via loss of job etc . The next proposal is a bigger concern "the covid passport". That will cause segregation and not be able to be policed so they will bring in another solution that people will accept
out of convenience . We are selling out on our freedom. The vaccine rollout will not stop lockdowns or other restrictions .
Lockdowns will not end, there is nothing in the words they are using that say they will end, only a change in how they will apply them. Perhaps smaller scale lockdowns limited to particular areas. But no end to them.
Unvaxed will become second class citizens. They will be unemployable, cannot travel far from home, cannot visit family or friends, unable to shop or just generally unable to be anywhere in public. This is what people are calling for, permanent lockdowns of the underclass.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..airsail said..
Commentators are saying NSW has lost control of the current outbreak, Victoria cases a low but rising. NSW is trying one last stab at reducing case numbers with full lockdown.
What if it fails, I really hope not but it could happen. Whether your pro or unvaxed you have to agree vaccination slows hospital admissions, we just don't have that many beds.
I'd be interested to know what plans the unvaxed have to protect themselves should case numbers explode. Masks and hand washing only goes so far. Or maybe Covid just doesn't exist for some.
My plan is to eat well and hope for the best.
It's the same plan I had when this whole shmozzle started.
Fortunately, I see it's worked for most, some of them weren't even eating particularly well and still didn't suffer.
Should I mention that you also moved to a state that is isolating itself from the rest of Aus and currently has no cases of Covid?
Select to expand quoteTonyAbbott said.
Lockdowns will not end, there is nothing in the words they are using that say they will end, only a change in how they will apply them. Perhaps smaller scale lockdowns limited to particular areas. But no end to them.
Unvaxed will become second class citizens. They will be unemployable, cannot travel far from home, cannot visit family or friends, unable to shop or just generally unable to be anywhere in public. This is what people are calling for, permanent lockdowns of the underclass.
The rest of Australia call that WA.
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..TonyAbbott said.
Lockdowns will not end, there is nothing in the words they are using that say they will end, only a change in how they will apply them. Perhaps smaller scale lockdowns limited to particular areas. But no end to them.
Unvaxed will become second class citizens. They will be unemployable, cannot travel far from home, cannot visit family or friends, unable to shop or just generally unable to be anywhere in public. This is what people are calling for, permanent lockdowns of the underclass.
The rest of Australia call that WA.
ha ha ha.... What did you do today
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..psychojoe said..airsail said..
Commentators are saying NSW has lost control of the current outbreak, Victoria cases a low but rising. NSW is trying one last stab at reducing case numbers with full lockdown.
What if it fails, I really hope not but it could happen. Whether your pro or unvaxed you have to agree vaccination slows hospital admissions, we just don't have that many beds.
I'd be interested to know what plans the unvaxed have to protect themselves should case numbers explode. Masks and hand washing only goes so far. Or maybe Covid just doesn't exist for some.
My plan is to eat well and hope for the best.
It's the same plan I had when this whole shmozzle started.
Fortunately, I see it's worked for most, some of them weren't even eating particularly well and still didn't suffer.
Should I mention that you also moved to a state that is isolating itself from the rest of Aus and currently has no cases of Covid?
No. You shouldn't. That sort of remark belongs only in heavy weather.
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
Surfed all day and got paid,
Ah, you're in WA...
Transport workers can cross the borders of every state, heaps originate in NSW. The country needs to eat so it's only a matter of time before the virus crosses the borders with them, almost inevitable.
lol, yes Im sure its been a long time goal for the gov. to find out that info. lol
Select to expand quoteTonyAbbott said..
Didn't she have a spot of bother not that long ago?
Looks like there is a bit of debate about vaccine passports and mandatory vaccines beginning to take place in the NSW parliament.
Joe Jammal making an appeal to email the MP's concerned ASAP.
Their email addresses are in the show notes.
Select to expand quoteTonyAbbott said..
At least it's not state-enforced celibacy like other places...
Select to expand quotelotofwind said.
No, not at all, I tend to live in the future and have never had an interest in history.
So please explain why the gov. want to stop us from working, paying taxes, stop local and international travel ?
Why is this a planned conspiracy to control us from doing those things?
What have they now gained?
Have been through a couple of short lockdowns now and everything went back to normal soon as they stopped and everyone carried on as life was before, except for overseas travel.
Yes, it shows.
Read some history. Unless you want to pay me for my time to tutor you...?
Didn't say that, not my argument.
Read some history. Start with the first half of the 20th century.
You're ok, so you don't care about anyone else. Got it.
PLEASE read some history -- that boot you're licking is only an inch from your neck.
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
I think if the gov. didnt do lockdowns, let people travel over seas, let them be free and just let covid spread at will, and we had 10's of thousands die like a lot of other countrys, the same people would be complaining that the gov. did nothing, they should have locked down, they are killing us on purpose. lol
What, like cancer? Alcohol? Driving?
Yes, how dare anyone criticize the government. They should be locked up...
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
With NSW in lockdown, all of it, does anyone think we should have had dedicated quarantine facilities ages ago to prevent this crap?
I have lost track, but has the federal government committed to anything on this front?
Yes, we should concentrate all of them in a camp...
