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To Statin or not to Statin

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Created by airsail > 9 months ago, 14 Jun 2016
Poida
WA, 1922 posts
17 Jun 2016 1:52PM
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cut sugar

try to get between 10g to 40g of sugar per day

a can of beer has 1g

decrepit
WA, 12806 posts
17 Jun 2016 4:32PM
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I've just done a New Scientist search and this is all I could find from 10 years ago.


Published 1 November 2006Statin statistics
<div class="article-content">From Roland Main Coincidentally, your article on statins arrived in the same mail delivery as my copy of the Australian Adverse Drug Reactions Bulletin (www.tga.gov.au/adr/aadrb.htm), which reported that the risk of depression from statins is about 1.4 per cent (7 October, p 46). You commented on the difficulty in determining the true benefit of these drugs, given the long time frames over which they are intended to be taken. We should all remember that similar time delays may well apply to discovering the true risks of statins. From Richard PatersonAs James Kingsland wrote in his article on statins, “blocking of HMG CoA reductase inhibits the production of many other molecules beside cholesterol”.Statins also block the synthesis of coenzyme Q10. In a 30-day study using atorvastatin blood levels of CoQ10 were halved (Archives of Neurology, vol 61, p 889). This block was neither mentioned in Kingsland’s article nor considered by the Clinical Trials Service Unit (CTSU) – whose report is athttp://www.ctsu.ox.ac.uk/~hps/statin_paper.shtml – although three other antioxidants were included in the trial. CoQ10, an antioxidant, is a key component of the oxygen-driven electron transport system in mitochondria, and this system plays a large part in ATP (adenosine triphosphate) synthesis in all our cells except red blood cells.
ATP is the crucial energy source of heart and brain and its loss is ultimately responsible for deaths following myocardial infarction or ischaemic stroke. The potential for a fall in CoQ10 was recognised long before these reports. A major drug company was granted a patent for combined CoQ10/statin therapy in 1990 – see US Patent 4933165 at www.uspto.gov. One can only speculate as to the reason why this was never taken up. The reported side effects of statins in muscle and cognitive function could be the result of blocking CoQ10 synthesis. Finally, the CTSU studied people who already had a substantial risk of death within five years. As your article said, the meta-analysis cranked out significant positive results, but there was no dramatic effect on outcome, even in these patients, at the doses which have to be used to minimise side effects. So prescribing statins for almost everyone – or putting them in the tap water, as one madcap enthusiast in the UK suggests – could benefit only those who profit from selling them. If “you bet your life on” taking statins, you should insist on a coenzyme Q10 supplement. As the article suggests, there are alternatives such as a healthy lifestyle, boosting vitamin D and perhaps – for those whose can take it – low-dose aspirin. Falmouth, Cornwall, UK Bunbury, Western Australia



Strange it's taken 10 years to make it into the public domain

Lambie
QLD, 742 posts
17 Jun 2016 6:53PM
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An interesting thread - and the answer is a not one answer fits all ?

I seem to have a history of grandparents dying of strokes etc and my cholesterol (bad) levels are elevated unless I take statins

Ive had a bloody good crack at diet a number of years ago and I'm generally pretty fit and not over weight - and still my 'bad cholesterol' is around 7 - bad apparently :-( And it pisses me off that apparently I'm so unhealthy compared to some overweight people !!

So Ive been on Liptitor at 40mg for a few years now and my 'bad C ' reading is now hovering around 5 - still too high but apparently but better ?

So as a 54yr old should I give up on the Statins and see my blood cholesterol readings return to 7+ ? Will I die younger and have a lower quality of life if I don't stay on the Statins ?? who the fark knows? Do I take the risk (no statins) and save a few bucks or stay on them and pay a few $$ and maybe live a little longer ??

decrepit
WA, 12806 posts
17 Jun 2016 6:18PM
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Lambie this is the problem when there's so much conflicting info!!!!!!!!!!! There is a combo pill that's half statin and half ezetmibe, that will at least halve you statin intake.

Unfortunately the government in it's wisdom doesn't subsidise ezetmibe by itself, unless there is proof of bad statin side effects. My Dr tried me on this but quickly changed his mind when he realised he'd have to refund the full subsidies back to the govt if he couldn't prove my bad side effects.

I don't think the ezetimbe's side effects are as bad. It works on a different effect, it doesn't suppress the body's production, it stops the blood take up, so it also works with high dietary cholesterol as well, (probably why it isn't subsidised)

Next time you see your Dr, might pay to ask him about it.

On second thoughts, might pay to read this first.

www.drugs.com/sfx/ezetimibe-side-effects.html

dan berry
WA, 2562 posts
18 Jun 2016 4:40AM
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Have you had your coronary artery calcium scoring done? From what I understand if your count is high statins can be effective, if it is zero they are completely ineffective. And if your doctors hasn't had the tests done before giving you statins you should be getting a new doctor.



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