What are people's thoughts on taking cholesterol lowering statins? A lot of bad press on the net about them but I find you tend to get more bad stories on forums, if things are good people tend not to post anything.
Have tried the diet change for 12 months, only a minor improvement, the doc said that was usual, diet doesn't have a big impact on cholesterol levels.
Hi i was not overweight but had high cholesterol I reduced it a bit by cutting cheese and dairy and lost a bit of weight. Then I went to the 5 and 2 for the cancer fighting aspects of the diet. . My cholestrol is now healthy and my weight is the slightly less than when I cut dairy. The best part is I can now eat and drink how I want what I want on my 5 non fasting days
My Dr called me in to discuss my results and find out what my secret to success was.
My BIL went on statins and has had all the complications....
I had an issue with high Tri-clycerides, resulting from an reasonably low LDL Count but a very low HDL count which ups the tri-glycerine count.
Had all the tests and tried statins that made me through up and feel terrible. I also doubted their function.
Eventually I saw a cardiac specialist, had a days worth of tests and regimes, had blood tests taking from family members.
Result was forget about your cholesterol, eat well, loose weight, exercise regularly and DONT EVER take statins.
Good luck.
ET.
I put a lot of faith in cardiologists who claim that many are on cholesterol-lowering statins for no good reason. The oft suggested test is of your calcium count. Some cardiologists believe that those of us (I am not one of them) who have zero, or near zero, calcium count, no family history of cardiac problems and "normal" blood pressure are likely wasting their money on statins. Indeed they may well be doing more harm than good. That said, I have a very high calcium count and take water soluble statins, 100mg of Aspirin daily and I make oat bran-based muffins with added psyllium husks in order to hopefully lower my LDL cholesterol. I am sure there's more to do. I am keen to start a regime of Vitamin K2 in the hope of removing some of the rubbish from the arteries. There are many more suggestions out there such as Coenzyme Q10 and Bergamet which have reportedly had very good results.
Good luck with your journey.
I was on 20mg lipitor for quite a few years, didn't have bad side effects but after the catalyst program in 2013 with my Dr's permission decided to go off them and try the 5-2 diet. 2014 was one of my best years, I felt a lot younger, the cotton wool was gone from my head and I had lots more energy. But Dr has now said my cholesterol is still a bit high. I told him I wasn't happy going back on ststins, so I'm now trying a combo drug 10mg ezetimibe and 10mg atorvastatin. Been on them for a couple of months now, I still feel OK and my cholesterol is way down. I've now started strength training as well, don't get out in the surf as much these days and a bit of aerobic exercise isn't enough.
My sugar levels were also up a bit last test, so I'm trying to cut down on the icecream and carbs while increasing the fats a bit.
Never had to worry about this sort of stuff, but age is starting to fray the edges a bit, and I want to stay fit enough to enjoy my windsurfing as long as I can!
I figure some are genetically predisposed as both my folks are on statins.
My good cholesterol is high when I don't have much fish oil / avocado and all those things they tell u to do. So much so that docs say ' you must eat lots of fish etc" and I have a chuckle.
But flip side is bad cholesterol is also high. Low dose Atorvastatin doings its thing, no side effects
Hi Airsail,
I have been on statins for 20 years, never done me any harm ( that I know of)
The consultant I saw, like your dr, informed me diet only has a minimal impact on your cholesterol level.
I expect a lot more research has been done in the past 20 years.
I have just come off them in February and will be going for a test next month to see if there has been an impact on my levels.
Personally if you are concerned and have tried a change of diet go for it give the statins ago.
I am on 10 mg daily of Rosuvastatin (Cavstat or Crestor) for cholesterol and Kombiglyze XR (Saxaqgliptin/Metformin 5/1000 mg) for type 2 diabetes.
Last appointment with my Doctor I mentioned to him that Statin drugs are the most profitable drugs in the history of the world and he said "Yeah and that is because they work and everybody with cholesterol problems take them. If you don't want to take them that's fine but you will die. I take them because I want to live."
My cholesterol is fine and no noticeable side effects but the Metformin gives me a bit of diahorrea. Also taking Blackmores Fish Oil caps as a supplement and to help with the Osteo A.
Worth a discussion with regards to this website next time you head to the GP:
www.thennt.com/nnt/statins-for-heart-disease-prevention-without-prior-heart-disease-2/
The summary of the evidence suggests that if you take a statin for five years:
1:104 people will avoid a heart attack1:154 will avoid a stroke
BUT:
1:10 will develop myositis (muscle injury)
So worth thinking about. They represent a huge cost to health system for a mild benefit. But the OBJECTIVE evidence is above. Should help you make your own decision.
Cheers,
Jon
jesus you kooks are old
what are you, 15?
Genetic predisposition to cholesterol problems can happen to otherwise healthy people who are pretty damn young.
Thanks for all the replies, very impressive! Looks about even for yes and no's, Good article clay dog.
The current western diet makes us prone to heart disease later in life and it isn't until you reach that 50 mark when you go for blood tests that you find out how much damage that good living has done.
Having cut most dairy, all processed meats (I miss bacon) and minimal red meat intake, eggs are gone too, plus increased exercise levels I hoped for a better result after 12 months. Total cholesterol dropped from 6.6 to 5.5, HDL and LDL both fell about the same amount and are both around 2.0.
So I'm going in the right direction, just have to try a little harder, maybe the 2/5 diet, and I think for now stay off statins.
And like Kozzie many of my co-workers chuckle at my diet, but they too will find out soon enough as Danw said, 1 pound of prevention is worth 1 ton of intervention, wish I have realised this sooner.
The best medicine is food. simple as that.
Like many have said, that just ain't true.
Food has very little impact. If your body produces high levels of cholesterol and you have family history you are at higher risk. The evidence is overwhelming that statins
Lower risk. Simple as that.
The best medicine is food. simple as that.
Like many have said, that just ain't true.
Food has very little impact. If your body produces high levels of cholesterol and you have family history you are at higher risk. The evidence is overwhelming that statins
Lower risk. Simple as that.
A higher risk possibly so those people should be Changing eating habits as early as possible and monitoring it.
Are you serious that a manufactured pill is the answer? **** me I guess it is what people are taught in life.
I'm not saying that pill doesn't work. I'm saying there is a better option.
diet is everything.
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I'm not saying that pill doesn't work. I'm saying there is a better option.
diet is everything.
Trouble is, what diet??????? Air sail says he's on a low fat diet, no dairy red meat etc. But there's other sources say that's the old way of thinking and a high fat diet is better for you.
I certainly couldn't get my cholesterol down to "acceptable" levels just by fat reduction in my diet.
OK here's an excerpt from the latest new scientist. It's a bit more about diabetes than cholesterol, but it's still relevant.
Fat first came under suspicion when research early last century found that the arterial plaques that can lead to a heart attack contain the fatty compound cholesterol. Then came several studies showing that heart attack rates were higher in countries where people ate more fat, especially saturated fat from meat and dairy foods. Fat was also deemed the enemy of people wanting to stay slim, since it has over twice the calories, gram for gram, as carbohydrates and protein. From the 1950s onwards, these ideas crystallised into official dietary guidelines, and the health-conscious started switching to leaner cuts of meat, low-fat milk and swapped butter for vegetable-oil based margarines. And they filled up on starchy carbs. Yet average body weight has continued to climb, as have rates of associated problems such as type 2 diabetes, culminating in what is now arguably a health crisis. In the UK, US and Australia, around two-thirds of the population are either overweight or obese. The orthodoxy was challenged when some dieters adopted the Atkins diet, which caused a sensation in the early 2000s. This urged people to shun fruit and veg and scoff meat, butter and cream. Doctors warned it couldn’t work and all that saturated fat was a heart attack waiting to happen. And yet, research showed otherwise. One trial directly compared 156 women on either the Atkins diet or a low-fat diet. After a year, those following Atkins had lost more weight, and their blood pressure and cholesterol profiles were, if anything, better than those on the low-fat diet. Another trial, which lasted two years, had similar results. The idea that those with type 2 diabetes should ditch carbs has also been led by people defying medical advice. Unwin first learned of it when he called in a diabetes patient who had been missing check-ups. “Her blood tests were amazing,” he says. “They seemed to show that she wasn’t diabetic anymore.” This broke all the rules. Type 2 diabetes is supposed to be progressive and irreversible. It is the result of our cells becoming increasingly resistant to insulin, a hormone made by the pancreas to help with the uptake of glucose from the blood. The pancreas works ever harder until it cannot produce enough insulin to keep blood sugar levels under control. As a result, blood sugar gets too high after meals and this gradually harms blood vessels, leading to a range of nasty consequences such as foot amputations and heart attacks. Newly diagnosed diabetics are usually advised to lose weight with exercise, and by eating less fat and more fibre, including bread, cereals and fruit and vegetables. But like most dieters, they usually don’t succeed, and the majority need oral medication to control their blood sugar within a year of diagnosis. Unwin’s rebellious patient told him she began low-carbing after stumbling across a website that recommended it. As Unwin researched the idea, it started making sense. Diabetics are told to avoid sugar, but starch is basically long chains of sugar and is quickly digested into sugar in the gut. Yet diabetics are told to eat starchy food just like everyone else to help them eat less fat. Fat is the bigger enemy because it leads to heart disease, says Louis Levy, head of nutrition science at Public Health England. And even wholegrain carbs, which are recommended, cause our blood sugar to rise, albeit more slowly than their milled equivalents. A slice of wholemeal bread raises blood sugar the same amount as three teaspoons of pure sugar, according to research due to be published by Unwin and his colleagues in the Journal of Insulin Resistance. A jacket potato – archetypal healthy fare – is akin eating 9 teaspoons of sugar (although how fast it is released depends on what you eat with it – fat or protein lowers the speed). The sugar triggers release of insulin, which stimulates fat storage, and in the long term worsens insulin resistance. Eating fat and protein, in contrast, releases less insulin, and protein is the most filling food group, so will suppress appetite more. People with type 2 diabetes are sometimes told to eat food with a low glycaemic index (GI), a measure of how quickly blood sugar rises. The faster the blood sugar rises, the harder it is for cells to take up glucose quickly enough to avoid a spike. But a strictly low-GI diet can end up being high-fat by default. Startled into action, Unwin took the maverick step of offering weekly meetings on this dietary approach to his patients with diabetes or who were overweight. He put them on a less extreme version of the Atkins diet, telling them not only to cut down on starchy food but also to eat lots of non-starchy vegetables and the less sugary fruits, such as blueberries and raspberries. In place of carbs they should fill up on meat, fish, full-fat dairy products, eggs and nuts (see “Food fight”). Under control It seemed to work. “They weren’t hungry and every week they came back smaller,” he says. Their blood tests showed improvements in glucose control, as well as blood pressure and cholesterol levels. Unwin published the results from his first 19 patients in 2014. It wasn’t a randomised trial, but there have been such studies in the US. In one study of 34 overweight people with type 2 diabetes, those on a low-carb, high-fat diet with no obligation to calorie count ended up with significantly better blood sugar control after 3 months than those following the low-fat guidelines for diabetes. Three times as many low-carbers were able to stop taking at least one diabetes drug as those on the standard diet. Unwin’s unorthodox approach has not gone unnoticed. Earlier this year he received a National Health Service innovator of the year award, partly in recognition of the savings being made at his practice, Unwin says. Their per-patient spend on diabetes drugs is about 70 per cent of the local average.
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I'm not saying that pill doesn't work. I'm saying there is a better option.
diet is everything.
Trouble is, what diet??????? Air sail says he's on a low fat diet, no dairy red meat etc. But there's other sources say that's the old way of thinking and a high fat diet is better for you.
I certainly couldn't get my cholesterol down to "acceptable" levels just by fat reduction in my diet.
Decrepit did you watch the video I posted. Just reducing fat in your diet isnt going to do undo a lifes time of damage. You'll need to go radically hardcore, increase the soluble fibre in your diet to help remove cholesterol. Eat a boring diet of just vegetables and fruit, (the not getting enough protien belief is just a myth) regular moderate daily exercise eg walking. Theres heaps of information on the net about also about reducing the inflammation in your body that damages the insides of your vessels with certain herbs and vitamins.
Are you serious that a manufactured pill is the answer? **** me I guess it is what people are taught in life.
I'm not saying that pill doesn't work. I'm saying there is a better option.
diet is everything.
Yes.......diet is everything. Unfortunately for most of us living in urban areas our diet is controlled or determined by what the super markets sell us.
Agree with that. the stuff in Coles and Woolies is crap.
I spend over $400 a fortnight on fruit and veggies for the 4 mouths in my family from a decent fruit barn that I know picks their own stuff from the brisbane market, and go to farmers markets and try buy from the genuine guys selling their own grown produce. not the asian stalls that I know are selling just the same crap that woolies and coles are getting but at the lower quality grade of the scale making it cheaper.
Every now and then due to not being organised I have to buy fruit or veg from coles or woolies and you taste the difference esspecially in fruits.
The best fruit ive had on the planet is in Thailand. the bananas and the mango's wow once you have eaten their naturally grown fruit coming back to eat supermarket crap taste so bland.
The best medicine is food. simple as that.
A good friend of mine is reasonably healthy, eats well and is fit. He is a light to moderate drinker but often goes long periods of not drinking. Never smoked. He has a cholesterol level of 9.... He is a heart attack on legs and there is nothing he can do about it because it is (for him) hereditary.
It is statins for him...
kinda taking this thread sideways a bit.......
A couple of "good ole' boys" [with the emphasis on "ole'] over in the land of the free, who's brains I picked for lead casting info for several years - both came down with a severe case of lead in thier systems.
It turned out that the leadworks that employed them had been taking shortcuts for years, and most of the employees were affected.
These 2 blokes had been there for donkeys years - and the tests showed them to be pretty badly affected.
At the time, one was in his late 60's, the other in his mid 70's.
Their employers health insurance footed the bill for chelation therapy, by the time the therapy had removed the lead from their bodies it was found that as a side benefit it had also stripped all the built up cholesterolly plaque stuff that was bloking their arteries.
Both felt like kids - heaps of energy - perfect blood pressure - stamina etc.
Apparently their wifes were not too happy though, as the randy old boys had no need of that viagra stuff ![]()
Maybe a short course of this chelation therapy stuff every so often might keep cholesterol from building up so much??
stephen
The best medicine is food. simple as that.
A good friend of mine is reasonably healthy, eats well and is fit. He is a light to moderate drinker but often goes long periods of not drinking. Never smoked. He has a cholesterol level of 9.... He is a heart attack on legs and there is nothing he can do about it because it is (for him) hereditary.
It is statins for him...
when you say he eats well what does he eat?
Is he on a 100% plant based low fat diet? or is there still meat and fat in his diet?
The best medicine is food. simple as that.
A good friend of mine is reasonably healthy, eats well and is fit. He is a light to moderate drinker but often goes long periods of not drinking. Never smoked. He has a cholesterol level of 9.... He is a heart attack on legs and there is nothing he can do about it because it is (for him) hereditary.
It is statins for him...
when you say he eats well what does he eat?
Is he on a 100% plant based low fat diet? or is there still meat and fat in his diet?
He's not the model vegan Andy
His diet as far as I can see still consists of red meat, dairy and all the rest. But as far as I can also see, he eats most of what should be eaten most and eats less of what should be eaten least. And although he also eats the odd pizza or HJs he eats better then I and most other people I know yet his cholesterol is the highest I've ever heard. For him it is hereditary.
I have not taken exception you what you have said, and for 99% of people you may be right. But it's not that black and white for everybody.
Cut sugar and low fat products, they are loaded with sugar. Eat good fats i.e. avocado, nuts, cheese, full milk. Stay away from margarines and highly refined foods. Eat fresh. If you can't cook, then learn. Pre made sauces and other crap on the supermarket shelf has loads of preservatives i.e sugars etc. Cut back on high carb foods such as bread, cereals.
That my friend helps reduce cholesterol and type 2 diabetes and others. Hopfully you won't need to go on meds or rely continuation of meds
Finally look up non sponsored medical journals and do some further research
It worked for me, but we're not all the same.
soft chubby old men munching pills and cursing the moon for being bright
dementia only exists so us younger folk can get a break from your bleating as you slowly forget to complain about the lives you have created
Cut sugar and low fat products, they are loaded with sugar. Eat good fats i.e. avocado, nuts, cheese, full milk. Stay away from margarines and highly refined foods. Eat fresh. If you can't cook, then learn. Pre made sauces and other crap on the supermarket shelf has loads of preservatives i.e sugars etc. Cut back on high carb foods such as bread, cereals.
That my friend helps reduce cholesterol and type 2 diabetes and others. Hopfully you won't need to go on meds or rely continuation of meds
Finally look up non sponsored medical journals and do some further research
It worked for me, but we're not all the same.
That's the way I'm heading now Vince, plus some high intensity short interval exercise and some strength training. I'll give it 6 months, recheck my choleterol and see if the Dr will do another no pill trial.
Luckily we have a great green grocer about 1/2hr away, he sources as local as possible and it's all very fresh.