Select to expand quoteBara said..
Its no coincidence that 2 of the three shark huggers on this thread are windsurfers and in safe waters re sharks at that. One having benefited from decades of preventative measures in NSW. There has not been a single shark fatality while windsurfing and they know it. Ian your spicy shark risk you reckon you love isnt chili its paprika mate gimme a break!
These guys are coming from a particularly selfish point of view since they are safe in the water. It takes a pretty conceited view of the world to tell others in danger what to do from this perspective. Even more so to attempt to insult them as Adriano has done. It really is low.
The other is a surfer in JB who while he isnt in a particularly dangerous location does take a risk albeit reduced. We differ on the solution but I hope we agree that something must be done and I respect where hes coming from until he says just stay out of the water. Thats like saying give up breathing to a surfer. I wish I had his faith in the electronic deterrents but he is ignoring the science on this when he quotes 90% success rate with great whites. What ever gets you wet eh. Couldnt find the independent rpela study they have been saying for couple of years is coming. Wonder why?
JB is also ignoring the science when he says culling doenst work is a fact. Culling as defined as a managed reduction of numbers of dangerous predators (not a species wipe out as the greenies froth over) has worked for centuries including with GWs until they were protected. Now we are dealing with the consequence of that benefit of the doubt decision back in the 80s.
Doing nothing is not an option and currently that is where WA government is positioned having been wedged politically and thats not good enough morally, ethically or even legally.
I don't know why I'm bothering but this is my last go.
Firstly you say i surf in a safe location, maybe thats the case, but then the second last fatality was 600 meter from my local. I was surfing and she was a client of mine. Sadly the group i was with broke the news to her husband and he and i have cried many times over her death together. I am close enough to understand the loss.
I want answers, you say science doesn't support devices but thats rubbish, it actually supports them. Their will always be people who argue against them, hell people try and argue against vaccinations, even someone in this thread argued against seat belts as life savers. I get that people will often not look past their own expectations. As for staying out of the water, i for the life of me cant imagine it, but then again once i couldn't have imagined surfers would be so precious and selfish either.
I have asked for answers and never seem to get any response. How often do you read posts from the pro cull side and they are simply passion, nothing else, no support evidence. Nothing other than a pull on heart strings.
For me i surf with my Rpela and i love it, i support it and i made a big effort to understand what the risk is. I have swam with sharks and spoken to many people through out both sides and I'm yet to find a rational answer to cull sharks. In fact i have found on many occasions against culling sharks as the problem could be made very different.
You also are forgetting (or possibly choosing to conveniently ignore) NSW and QLD have been culling sharks for over 70 years. I don't see any reduction in their attack rate either.
As for BustWa hoping i get attacked, nice mate, you are a right twit and feel free to show your face any day. I don't hide behind any silly name on a forum, I'm more than happy to stand up and be held accountable for my words, i think comments like yours from behind a anonymous keyboard are gutless and i expected no less of you..
Select to expand quotebusterwa said..
Anyone tell me that these muppets at the hippie convention grow there own food make there own cloths and live off the grid....What a joke they are . . Hope your dead next JBS and all your tree hugging hypocrites
. I put people first there lives and there fambily there kids. Your selfish weak and you couldn't give a **** about anyone but yourself. , Your thoughts of invulnerability and the little Box your living is putting lives at risk and will result in more fatalities.
Im selfish and weak. Really how about letting us know who you are, so we can discuss your wish for me to die face to face
Weak hey, how about every person who clicked on the green thumb for me also to get attacked also feel free to share your names
For reference you are clueless. The person on the Mic is a Dive master, in that circle you their are marine biologists, a Mother of a shark attack, yeah its all about me..
Time to step out from behind your keyboards lets see who the gutless week ones really are
Select to expand quoteDARTH said..Bara said..DARTH said..
There is a difference between nets and drumlines, and drumlines don't attract GWS as we have seen.
Not true - drum lines regularly catch great whites when deployed.
Barnets drums didn't (all tiger sharks) and none down south other than the Mandurah one after the attack last year.
Those drumlines were deployed when the whites are least likely to be around. Let's get some out now, as the whale migration is about to begin and see how things go?
Select to expand quotejbshack said..
You also are forgetting (or possibly choosing to conveniently ignore) NSW and QLD have been culling sharks for over 70 years. I don't see any reduction in their attack rate either.
I respect your opinion but why ignore the one place that actually has 50 years of experience in dealing with this?
Anecdotally I know that netting works in Natal.
As policy of the evil apartheid system some "non-white" beaches close to Durban were not netted (prior to 1980) and multiple shark attacks occurred.
At the "white" netted beaches in Durban with a lot more people in the water - no attacks.
Seems to me that Natal Sharks Board have scholarly evidence on their website and the fact that they continue the net/drumline policy which must be expensive to maintain (for a country with limited finances) speaks volumes (to me at least) to it's effectiveness.
Select to expand quoteBara said..
There has not been a single shark fatality while windsurfing and they know it.
1997 20 January Geraldton Windsurfing Werner Schonhofer Male 41 Presumed no body recovered, shark mutilated wetsuit & harness recovered 18:00 4.5 m [14 ft 9 in] tiger shark Daily Telegraph, 1/22/1997, p. 1; H. Edwards, p. 14-15 [265]
Select to expand quotejbshack said..Bara said..
Its no coincidence that 2 of the three shark huggers on this thread are windsurfers and in safe waters re sharks at that. One having benefited from decades of preventative measures in NSW. There has not been a single shark fatality while windsurfing and they know it. Ian your spicy shark risk you reckon you love isnt chili its paprika mate gimme a break!
These guys are coming from a particularly selfish point of view since they are safe in the water. It takes a pretty conceited view of the world to tell others in danger what to do from this perspective. Even more so to attempt to insult them as Adriano has done. It really is low.
The other is a surfer in JB who while he isnt in a particularly dangerous location does take a risk albeit reduced. We differ on the solution but I hope we agree that something must be done and I respect where hes coming from until he says just stay out of the water. Thats like saying give up breathing to a surfer. I wish I had his faith in the electronic deterrents but he is ignoring the science on this when he quotes 90% success rate with great whites. What ever gets you wet eh. Couldnt find the independent rpela study they have been saying for couple of years is coming. Wonder why?
JB is also ignoring the science when he says culling doenst work is a fact. Culling as defined as a managed reduction of numbers of dangerous predators (not a species wipe out as the greenies froth over) has worked for centuries including with GWs until they were protected. Now we are dealing with the consequence of that benefit of the doubt decision back in the 80s.
Doing nothing is not an option and currently that is where WA government is positioned having been wedged politically and thats not good enough morally, ethically or even legally.
I don't know why I'm bothering but this is my last go.
Firstly you say i surf in a safe location, maybe thats the case, but then the second last fatality was 600 meter from my local. I was surfing and she was a client of mine. Sadly the group i was with broke the news to her husband and he and i have cried many times over her death together. I am close enough to understand the loss.
I want answers, you say science doesn't support devices but thats rubbish, it actually supports them. Their will always be people who argue against them, hell people try and argue against vaccinations, even someone in this thread argued against seat belts as life savers. I get that people will often not look past their own expectations. As for staying out of the water, i for the life of me cant imagine it, but then again once i couldn't have imagined surfers would be so precious and selfish either.
I have asked for answers and never seem to get any response. How often do you read posts from the pro cull side and they are simply passion, nothing else, no support evidence. Nothing other than a pull on heart strings.
For me i surf with my Rpela and i love it, i support it and i made a big effort to understand what the risk is. I have swam with sharks and spoken to many people through out both sides and I'm yet to find a rational answer to cull sharks. In fact i have found on many occasions against culling sharks as the problem could be made very different.
You also are forgetting (or possibly choosing to conveniently ignore) NSW and QLD have been culling sharks for over 70 years. I don't see any reduction in their attack rate either.
As for BustWa hoping i get attacked, nice mate, you are a right twit and feel free to show your face any day. I don't hide behind any silly name on a forum, I'm more than happy to stand up and be held accountable for my words, i think comments like yours from behind a anonymous keyboard are gutless and i expected no less of you..
jbs, you are conveniently ignoring the fact that for the 70 years NSW and QLD have been culling sharks, it has only been recently they have been experiencing regular attacks. What do you think was going on prior to that? Do you ever consider it had something to do with the fact (you love facts, yes?) that there were less sharks? You can't keep ignoring that, it won't go away no matter how inconvenient it is to your argument.
I asked you for facts to support your mantra about Reunion culling not working and you give me Huffington Post. I think your call that we're all going on passion and no facts is a bit rich.
Select to expand quoteIan K said..Bara said..
There has not been a single shark fatality while windsurfing and they know it.
1997 20 January Geraldton Windsurfing Werner Schonhofer Male 41 Presumed no body recovered, shark mutilated wetsuit & harness recovered 18:00 4.5 m [14 ft 9 in] tiger shark Daily Telegraph, 1/22/1997, p. 1; H. Edwards, p. 14-15 [265]
Nice google work but no inconclusive at best. Sorry Ian your spice is still a very bland mix.
Select to expand quotejbshack said..Bara said..
Its no coincidence that 2 of the three shark huggers on this thread are windsurfers and in safe waters re sharks at that. One having benefited from decades of preventative measures in NSW. There has not been a single shark fatality while windsurfing and they know it. Ian your spicy shark risk you reckon you love isnt chili its paprika mate gimme a break!
These guys are coming from a particularly selfish point of view since they are safe in the water. It takes a pretty conceited view of the world to tell others in danger what to do from this perspective. Even more so to attempt to insult them as Adriano has done. It really is low.
The other is a surfer in JB who while he isnt in a particularly dangerous location does take a risk albeit reduced. We differ on the solution but I hope we agree that something must be done and I respect where hes coming from until he says just stay out of the water. Thats like saying give up breathing to a surfer. I wish I had his faith in the electronic deterrents but he is ignoring the science on this when he quotes 90% success rate with great whites. What ever gets you wet eh. Couldnt find the independent rpela study they have been saying for couple of years is coming. Wonder why?
JB is also ignoring the science when he says culling doenst work is a fact. Culling as defined as a managed reduction of numbers of dangerous predators (not a species wipe out as the greenies froth over) has worked for centuries including with GWs until they were protected. Now we are dealing with the consequence of that benefit of the doubt decision back in the 80s.
Doing nothing is not an option and currently that is where WA government is positioned having been wedged politically and thats not good enough morally, ethically or even legally.
I don't know why I'm bothering but this is my last go.
Firstly you say i surf in a safe location, maybe thats the case, but then the second last fatality was 600 meter from my local. I was surfing and she was a client of mine. Sadly the group i was with broke the news to her husband and he and i have cried many times over her death together. I am close enough to understand the loss.
I want answers, you say science doesn't support devices but thats rubbish, it actually supports them. Their will always be people who argue against them, hell people try and argue against vaccinations, even someone in this thread argued against seat belts as life savers. I get that people will often not look past their own expectations. As for staying out of the water, i for the life of me cant imagine it, but then again once i couldn't have imagined surfers would be so precious and selfish either.
I have asked for answers and never seem to get any response. How often do you read posts from the pro cull side and they are simply passion, nothing else, no support evidence. Nothing other than a pull on heart strings.
For me i surf with my Rpela and i love it, i support it and i made a big effort to understand what the risk is. I have swam with sharks and spoken to many people through out both sides and I'm yet to find a rational answer to cull sharks. In fact i have found on many occasions against culling sharks as the problem could be made very different.
You also are forgetting (or possibly choosing to conveniently ignore) NSW and QLD have been culling sharks for over 70 years. I don't see any reduction in their attack rate either.
As for BustWa hoping i get attacked, nice mate, you are a right twit and feel free to show your face any day. I don't hide behind any silly name on a forum, I'm more than happy to stand up and be held accountable for my words, i think comments like yours from behind a anonymous keyboard are gutless and i expected no less of you..
JB no didnt say it was safe just more so than the reef breaks down south. But defo way more dangerous than a windsurfer.
Yes the science supports that sharkshield/ surfsafe work some of the time but not 90% against great whites and certainly not when they are in attack mode. If they did then a researcher somewhere would hop out of a cage and show us.
Question remains on Rpela? What happened to that independent study? I want them to work I really do but the science says they wont stop a charging GW.
Yeah ive dived with sharks too. Its cool but its not the same as floating on the surface unaware on a board.
You reckon im selfish for wanting to protect myself and my loved ones? I reckon your selfish for telling me I cant. Thats the rub isnt it? I dont think I have the right to tell you not do do that but for some reason you and the shark huggers think you do. That attitude is completely foreign to me.
Re NSW and QLD turn it up! Its clear evidence that those measures do have a positive effect. Just like in South Africa. You are the one conveniently ignoring the facts on this front.
Select to expand quoteAdriano said..
Well the button has to be there for it to be pushed. All I can say is, deactivate the button.
I agree with jbshack.
Come up with a scientific and well researched position, and I may yet change my mind.
Until then, my opinion is that culling doesn't really achieve what some people claim it does when a coastline is thousands of kilometres long.
It's just as valid as others opinion that culling does work - in the absence of a scientific context.
There is on scientific context just facts , straight out facts supporting a rediculous amount of encounters and subsequent attacks in and around used and populated diving swiming and surfing areas in WA If we all agree death is apart of recreational persutes and you basically deserved it becsuse you were in there environment is just not human logic / what intresting is you say culling some others will turn up to replace them , obviously there is a health population of them / mean time safety 101 administration enginering controls substitution or elimination How do humans take second place behind a shark / Them sharks are so bright they got you fooled 
They swimming around the globe so what and ???? They travel long distances yer point is
Select to expand quoteking of the point said..Adriano said..
Well the button has to be there for it to be pushed. All I can say is, deactivate the button.
I agree with jbshack.
Come up with a scientific and well researched position, and I may yet change my mind.
Until then, my opinion is that culling doesn't really achieve what some people claim it does when a coastline is thousands of kilometres long.
It's just as valid as others opinion that culling does work - in the absence of a scientific context.
There is on scientific context just facts , straight out facts supporting a ridiculous amount of encounters and subsequent attacks in and around used and populated diving swimming and surfing areas in WA If we all agree death is apart of recreational pursuits and you basically deserved it because you were in there environment is just not human logic / what interesting is you say culling some others will turn up to replace them , obviously there is a health population of them / mean time safety 101 administration engineering controls substitution or elimination How do humans take second place behind a shark / Them sharks are so bright they got you fooled swimming around the globe so what
NO BODY CARES.....
Select to expand quoteDARTH said..king of the point said..Adriano said..
Well the button has to be there for it to be pushed. All I can say is, deactivate the button.
I agree with jbshack.
Come up with a scientific and well researched position, and I may yet change my mind.
Until then, my opinion is that culling doesn't really achieve what some people claim it does when a coastline is thousands of kilometres long.
It's just as valid as others opinion that culling does work - in the absence of a scientific context.
There is on scientific context just facts , straight out facts supporting a ridiculous amount of encounters and subsequent attacks in and around used and populated diving swimming and surfing areas in WA If we all agree death is apart of recreational pursuits and you basically deserved it because you were in there environment is just not human logic / what interesting is you say culling some others will turn up to replace them , obviously there is a health population of them / mean time safety 101 administration engineering controls substitution or elimination How do humans take second place behind a shark / Them sharks are so bright they got you fooled swimming around the globe so what
NO BODY CARES.....
And nobody wins / head them up !
Select to expand quoteking of the point said..DARTH said..king of the point said..Adriano said..
Well the button has to be there for it to be pushed. All I can say is, deactivate the button.
I agree with jbshack.
Come up with a scientific and well researched position, and I may yet change my mind.
Until then, my opinion is that culling doesn't really achieve what some people claim it does when a coastline is thousands of kilometres long.
It's just as valid as others opinion that culling does work - in the absence of a scientific context.
There is on scientific context just facts , straight out facts supporting a ridiculous amount of encounters and subsequent attacks in and around used and populated diving swimming and surfing areas in WA If we all agree death is apart of recreational pursuits and you basically deserved it because you were in there environment is just not human logic / what interesting is you say culling some others will turn up to replace them , obviously there is a health population of them / mean time safety 101 administration engineering controls substitution or elimination How do humans take second place behind a shark / Them sharks are so bright they got you fooled swimming around the globe so what
NO BODY CARES.....
And nobody wins / head them up !
Nobody gets out alive..... eat that.......
Select to expand quoteThinkaBowtit said..
Huge white seen at the Abrohlos yesterday.
with the current population increase of GWS you would be lucky not to interact with a GWS if you were surfing/diving/kiting/windsurfing at the abrohlos.
I cant see how the GWS are described as an endangered species anymore.
Select to expand quotejbshack said..busterwa said..
Anyone tell me that these muppets at the hippie convention grow there own food make there own cloths and live off the grid....What a joke they are . . Hope your dead next JBS and all your tree hugging hypocrites
. I put people first there lives and there fambily there kids. Your selfish weak and you couldn't give a **** about anyone but yourself. , Your thoughts of invulnerability and the little Box your living is putting lives at risk and will result in more fatalities.
Im selfish and weak. Really how about letting us know who you are, so we can discuss your wish for me to die face to face
Weak hey, how about every person who clicked on the green thumb for me also to get attacked also feel free to share your names
For reference you are clueless. The person on the Mic is a Dive master, in that circle you their are marine biologists, a Mother of a shark attack, yeah its all about me..
Time to step out from behind your keyboards lets see who the gutless week ones really are
Select to expand quotePoida said..
with the current population increase of GWS you would be lucky not to interact with a GWS if you were surfing/diving/kiting/windsurfing at the abrohlos.
I cant see how the GWS are described as an endangered species anymore.
Was better when it ended here...
Select to expand quotejbshack said..busterwa said..
Anyone tell me that these muppets at the hippie convention grow there own food make there own cloths and live off the grid....What a joke they are . . Hope your dead next JBS and all your tree hugging hypocrites
. I put people first there lives and there fambily there kids. Your selfish weak and you couldn't give a **** about anyone but yourself. , Your thoughts of invulnerability and the little Box your living is putting lives at risk and will result in more fatalities.
Im selfish and weak. Really how about letting us know who you are, so we can discuss your wish for me to die face to face
Weak hey, how about every person who clicked on the green thumb for me also to get attacked also feel free to share your names
For reference you are clueless. The person on the Mic is a Dive master, in that circle you their are marine biologists, a Mother of a shark attack, yeah its all about me..
Time to step out from behind your keyboards lets see who the gutless week ones really are
And over at the Jbs shack...
local news tonight reported 'numerous' smaller great whites caught on drumlines in Ballina, all tagged and released, then said the summer nets were coming down soon for whale season, wouldnt want to be a surfer south of the border this winter, seems avoiding tourist attacks matters most 
There were 15 whites caught on smart drumlines at Ballina to Lennox (seven of those last month) and 9 whites at Evans Head (3 of them last month), all were tagged then released except one, it died. Those are all in the past six months. The following link has the details (although it doesn't include any detail about the size of each of these sharks):http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fishing/sharks/management/smart-drumlines/nsw-north-coast-smart-drumlines-report-8-mar-7-apr-2018
Since 2015, 59 white sharks were tagged and released in the North Coast Local Waters Shark Tagging Project. Most of them were juveniles (around 2.5 m), eight listed as "sub adult" in the just over 3 metre range. www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fishing/sharks/management/shark-tagging-project
Is it these eight sub adults that are responsible for the growing number of attacks on humans in that area, y'know, the teenagers figuring out just how much power those ever-strengthening jaws actually have? If that's correct, it won't be long before there are another 51 reaching the same age/size starting to mouth potential food floating about in the water.
Wonder what percentage of them have been tagged?
Select to expand quotebusterwa said..jbshack said..busterwa said..
Anyone tell me that these muppets at the hippie convention grow there own food make there own cloths and live off the grid....What a joke they are . . Hope your dead next JBS and all your tree hugging hypocrites
. I put people first there lives and there fambily there kids. Your selfish weak and you couldn't give a **** about anyone but yourself. , Your thoughts of invulnerability and the little Box your living is putting lives at risk and will result in more fatalities.
Im selfish and weak. Really how about letting us know who you are, so we can discuss your wish for me to die face to face
Weak hey, how about every person who clicked on the green thumb for me also to get attacked also feel free to share your names
For reference you are clueless. The person on the Mic is a Dive master, in that circle you their are marine biologists, a Mother of a shark attack, yeah its all about me..
Time to step out from behind your keyboards lets see who the gutless week ones really are
And over at the Jbs shack...
They can remove my posts all they like. Your still a gutless little weasel hiding behind your keyboard...
