Shark vs Cage

Its doing the rounds on housobook. When its slowed down you can see the teaser bait in front dragged straight across the top of cage , so it appears to bang into the cage accidently?

Pretty irresponsible I say.

Is it a white or a mako???

shark trained by humans to attack humans
alpha predator......lets go feed the lions by hand and see what happens.....
tge seemingly random movements in the tasman are in line with the tuna cycle of spawn migrate and grow..on the west coast we have whales sept-november some ofthese sharks do the tuna run than hang around come across the bottom and wait for the whales to get to gero-kalbarri,stalk them down past perth and into margies before completing the circuit again...
The other ones do the run from the tasman up to lennox and broken head to wait for the whales on the east coast, similar time of year august-nov.......
One part of it is they in general stop at around the same latitude either side of the coast where water temps become warmer....
A shark has to be around 20 years old (great white) before it has the jaw strength to eat a mammal(seal/human) this also is about the same time they have been protected but also are not scared of humans in fact are encouraged to relate people with food..
Coupled in with the whale population booming and offshore tuna being in lower numbers due to foreign flagged vessels hammering tuna stock in australian waters. (legally and under australian licenses no ****tttt).
It is of note though that many of these boats illegaly unload at sea onto other foreign vessels to ensure they are " above board" when they unload in aussie ports and not blow there quota.....
That along with crayboats no longer being able to catch bycatch ( sharks through shark hooks on cray floats)
has allowed huge huge huge population growth.
The sad thing is that they cannot be untrained,scientists still dont know how long they live and ages in excess of 100 years are agreed to be not only realistic but quite possibly a gross underestimate..
When you were kids there was always a scary dog that you would have to walk past on the way to school. For a laugh most kids would drag a stick along the fence to really rev the dog up.....Its not right you say,you cant do that,..Well this and worse is what we have done with these sharks, imagine what would of happened if the domesticated dog got through the fence.....
Sharks have memory and are habitual feeders,if a whale washes up on a beach and a white gets a feed every time he is on his circuit he will return to that beach on the way through, The shark attacks at cottesloe over the space of several years can only be put down to one or at most two different sharks..
In the 70s a huge whale washed up on the beach and was there for months and months, every shark for miles got a feed or five ...You may say yeah but there was no attacks for 30-40years after and you would be correct, this actually just re-inforces the point even more, because the same sharks that would swim past on their circuit every year never thought of humans as food until the 2000s when shark cage diving became a "thing"...
so between the twenty year old sharks who are young pups learning new tricks and the old sharks who have the system wired and only recently related people to food we are doing a stirling job of training them up to hunt humans and attack them...
Please remember too that in most of the recent attacks people werent mistakenly bitten and let go they were hunted and eaten..A shark does not accidently eat some one...

Solution,,,,Ban shark cage diving and muppets hand feeding/training/taunting sharks immediatley,

Kill the sharks that we have now trained and allow the ecosystem to restore itself.
The reality is that until the trained sharks are killed is that attacks will not only keep on increasing but fall into what a shark constitutes as part of its diet.....

We created the monster so therefore are accountable....
Reality sux aye

Spot on Razz. (Unfortunately)

proffesional diver crayfishing abalone skipper for 15 years.
used to do whale watching skippering and work with fisheries marine scientists. met hugh edwards a few times.
did the tuna run and would have to dive and get the sharks outta the cage nets while bringin em back to port.
avid shell collector,
we shouldnt just be tagging the sharks, be better of tagging whales and tuna breeding stock.

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Razzonater said..
i suppose to further my statement, if
anyone could confirm anything stated is incorrect, I would also be happy to be proven wrong...however this has been a ten year long convo with all sorts of ocean users

I agree with alot of what you have said but some of it is just speculation imo..

Personally I think they should take the endangered listing off GWS and put a bag limit on them.

The GWS population will never return to the lows that they were during the whale hunts pre 1976 so we are always going to have the problem imo..

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Razzonater said..
...You may say yeah but there was no attacks for 30-40years after and you would be correct, this actually just re-inforces the point even more, because the same sharks that would swim past on their circuit every year never thought of humans as food until the 2000s when shark cage diving became a "thing"...

And kitesurfing.

A shark is estimated to consume an average of 2-3% of bodyweight per day.


http://www.sharkproject.org/haiothek/index_e.php?site=verhalten_5

If even one shark of 1000kg considered humans to be on the menu it'd consume up to 30kg of human flesh per day. That's one person every 3 days for one shark.

It's obvious to me that sharks just don't consider us to be on the menu. If they did though they'd have no trouble catching enough of us. Well they'd have no trouble for a week or so, because once it became obvious we were on the menu no one would go in the water.

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Razzonater said..

please feel free to look at the statistics in relation to increases on attacks on humans and how many are eaten.
I never stated that people are the sole source of food, just that we are now on the menu.

I've looked but I can't find the stats on number eaten vs. number suffering from an inquisitive nibble. Can you give us the link?

Or just tell us. How many victims were considered eaten, gone without trace, in Australian waters in the last 12 months?

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Ian K said..
It's indicative that you can be red thumbed on this topic for doing no more than asking a question.

Thats SB for you, ask a question and get shot down

Dear thrill seeking knob heads that think baiting a wild animal to crash into a cage is funny and thrilling think again as this can have possibly seriously injured this ancient marine creature!
Not that you would care as long as you received your jollys!
I would suspect you have no interest in wild life and your brain is possibly as small as your male genitals!

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Ian K said..

Razzonater said..

please feel free to look at the statistics in relation to increases on attacks on humans and how many are eaten.
I never stated that people are the sole source of food, just that we are now on the menu.

I've looked but I can't find the stats on number eaten vs. number suffering from an inquisitive nibble. Can you give us the link?

Or just tell us. How many victims were considered eaten, gone without trace, in Australian waters in the last 12 months?

I may be wrong but i think the people Raz is referring to having been eaten completely are actually a few people that have simply gone missing at a beach. No actual confirmation of an attack, just a missing person report.

If I'm wrong Razz please feel free to correct me..

You can also see the correlation between the shark cage diving and people actually getting eaten when you look at the stats in the above,I feel that I have provided more than what is deemed reasonable evidence, however if there is any further doubts please raise them.. Im a bit more transparent than the thousands of "scientits" who have there own "theories" based on what is in the paper.
to be quite honest i would really really really like to be wrong

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DARTH said...

Razzonater said..
i suppose to further my statement, if
anyone could confirm anything stated is incorrect, I would also be happy to be proven wrong...however this has been a ten year long convo with all sorts of ocean users

I agree with alot of what you have said but some of it is just speculation imo..

Personally I think they should take the endangered listing off GWS and put a bag limit on them.

The GWS population will never return to the lows that they were during the whale hunts pre 1976 so we are always going to have the problem imo..

Fisheries on the ramp, how'd you go today
Fisher, pretty good, 8 herring, 12 whiting, two 5 mtr great whites, and a flounder

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cauncy said..

DARTH said...

Razzonater said..
i suppose to further my statement, if
anyone could confirm anything stated is incorrect, I would also be happy to be proven wrong...however this has been a ten year long convo with all sorts of ocean users

I agree with alot of what you have said but some of it is just speculation imo..

Personally I think they should take the endangered listing off GWS and put a bag limit on them.

The GWS population will never return to the lows that they were during the whale hunts pre 1976 so we are always going to have the problem imo..

Fisheries on the ramp, how'd you go today
Fisher, pretty good, 8 herring, 12 whiting, two 5 mtr great whites, and a flounder

Yea they are not going to be a big catch but could be a tourist thing like game fishing in QLD.

Geez that abstract quote is appalling.

Its just a person taking a personal view. Very little evidence provided to support the statements and what statistics the person does quote has been clearly mis-stated.