Just watching the news here WA. Love to know what fine the Victorian dickhead ,hippy, dole bludging protestors will get. They deserved the heavy handling of the fuzz . Do the crime is say.
And then the protesters here in Perth , idiots. There were at least 6 divisions, all going on about different crap . Get a life FFS . any views?
Probably the same half-wits who caused the second wave last time. No lockdown they say? Well they can thank themselves for that. You poor buggers in victoria have 2000+ active cases, will be suprised if you dont get a few more courtesy of these "Heros". I am going to be pissed if someone in queensland decides to join in the fun up here.
Select to expand quoteTonz said..
add them as livestock and send them off into typhoon seas with out the crew
Fixed it for you
Qld will be next hot spot AFL spread
Yep, it's a bit sad when people are misled by bollocks on social media. There's no end of it.
You'd think they'd take the precautionary approach and try to avoid contagion even if they have their doubts, but ct nutters seem to take the lock-down as an assault on their god given freedom rather than as a necessary precaution.
A very single minded narrative on this thread.
There is much more to be considered.
I won't bother trying to convince anyone.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..
A very single minded narrative on this thread.
There is much more to be considered.
I won't bother trying to convince anyone.
Damn, I dont like that wind graph at all 
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..
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Possible explanations for that is that all the people who are easily likely to die have already died. Tough luck if you're old or unlucky.
The other explanation is that people and businesses are getting better at social distancing and managing themselves.
My understanding is that it is not accurate to say that Sweden just let COVID rip. Lots of businesses have shut down. There were all sorts of restrictions both voluntary and mandatory.
The date WA king will re open the borders is after he gets re-elected. March 21.
Good too see protests anti lockdown starting to roll. People are fed up about this circus.
Even WHO is saying to re open economies now.
Select to expand quoteCraig66 said..
Damn, I dont like that wind graph at all
Maybe there will be a 2nd wind...? 
This is a fairly articulate quote.
AUTHORITARIANS AND AUTHORITY - A Reflection On the Dynamics of Our Victorian Police State
#sackdanandrews
___________
Alas, Melbourne!
Once celebrated as 'The World's Most Liveable City,' now, under disastrous leadership, has become, 'The World's Must Governable.' No other Western populace has been locked down so ruthlessly, over so little, for so long.
When a fish begins to rot, it rots first at the head.
Our leadership is rotting.
Dan Andrews' is either a monster, or he has chosen to govern monstrously. His cruel 'pandemic strategy' has revealed an inept leader, prone to hubris, and well practiced in deflecting blame and fomenting social divide. With each dramatic "pandemic" escalation, the disdainful message is consistent and clear: "Victorians are at fault!" Many in their ignorance are persuaded to point at one another, yet, truthfully, all fingers need only point at the contemptuous Andrews' Government.
Victorians 'not doing the right thing,' is a feeble excuse for the coronavirus nemesis that eventually clobbered his self-congratulatory, yet bungled attempts at containment. This attitude has seen his successive failures projected upon all Victorians. A narcissist will never concede to his own culpability, after all, 'We're all in this together.' Adopting the pathological reasoning that 'we all failed for his failures,' he collapsed Victoria into a Police State - sadistically commanding the arms of tyrannical overreach to grip the neck of all Victorians.
We are all being strangled for his mistakes.
Many are paying attention. Many others are troubled, but unable to truly comprehend the magnitude of the Grand Lie. None of this sits right. Having had all aspects of their former reality upheaved, flipped and skewed into parody, they are starting to sense the deception and our immediate peril. The various lockdown strategies have all been utterly disproportionate to the viral threat: 99.98% survival rate. What has followed has been a manufactured tragedy of government duplicity and media-induced hysteria. One thing is clear, the real 'deadly virus' is upon us: historically it is known as Authoritarianism. Humankind is susceptible to it, especially when vulnerable, and it is extremely contagious to some, while ultimately infecting the lives of all.
Bizarrely, many are still content to defend the current course. They regard Andrews as nothing short of a godsend in these apocalyptic times. They rejoice, believing they are in competent hands. These devotees of 'The COVID Cult' all share a distorted perception of our unfolding COVID experience. Their view is neither factual, nor even evident, but a superb fiction that has been realised as a "real reality." They are the true 'Conspiracy Theorists,' paranoid and prone to delusion. They are right, because the government is right. Others are wrong, because the Government is right.
Most likely they support The Labor Party and its progressive Left-Wing ideology, but political affiliation aside, what they have actually elevated as hero, is truly villain. A monster acts monstrously and appeals to monsters. Andrews is a megalomaniac. This cannot be admitted to self, or others. They deny objective reality, remaining cognitively dissonant as they submit themselves wholeheartedly to 'The COVID Cult.'
To 'The COVID Cultists', black is white, and if demanded by Authority, the inverse is suddenly true - all nuance of grey is anathema. These people are the Authoritarians, theorised to be 30-50% of the population, each incapable of independent thought, and all utterly enamoured of Authority. And abusive Authority, such as is currently experienced under Andrews, is the toxic gas-lit-love they are incapable of unloving. To Authoritarians, the Authority and its apparatuses of oppression are indistinguishable from their own binary worldview: 'Victim versus Oppressor.' In an ironic twist, the 'victim' is now the Authority, and the 'oppressor' is any challenge to this Authority. Such a warped mindset is underscored by irrationality - it is extraordinary to behold, and incomprehensible to rational and empathic people.
All this is observed amongst the 'The COVID Cult.' When confronted with unnerving footage of police brutality, thuggery and once fashionable Brown Shirt bullying - they react in raucous delight. These are the same personality types that were previously triggered to virtue-signal condemnation for 'police brutality,' to spittle-spray against 'male violence against women,' and the 'oppression of the Patriarchy' - and now they celebrate and applaud such acts, and salivate for more. The police legally do, what they legally cannot - and by proxy, it satisfies their need to control, and to see control asserted.
They have a taste for retribution.
This is apparent in the recent instance of the 21-year-old girl and her encounter with the towering Gestapo-esque senior policeman. Despite having legal exemption for not wearing a 'face covering,' and perhaps showing contempt and defiance for being harassed over 'a mask,' knowing her exemption, and lauding it over her interrogator - she could never have anticipated his response. The Authoritarians supported his actions, justifying it in the context of some imagined threat, as if the sadism witnessed represented an outward expression of the Authority they identified with (as Authoritarians) exacting revenge upon a challenge to their own Authoritarianism. This girl attacked THEM and by extension - the proverbial arm of the law did what they wanted it to do! It went straight for the throat with a rubber-gloved grip.
Likewise, they support Andrew's firm hand around Victoria's neck: It is what Victoria deserves, what Victoria needs at this time - to be held up firmly, and rigidly supported.
In a Police State, during a declaration of a 'State of Disaster,' police are granted supreme power to maintain the supreme power of the Authority. The Authoritarians, while being a step down, are synonymous with this synergised monstrosity and represent the third and most effective prong in this three-pronged assault on the oppressed citizenry (Authority + Police + Authoritarians). Thrust into the side of normal humans, this is a formidable weapon by pathological governments against the resistance of conscientious 'normal' people.
The astounding thing is that many are still incapable of discerning that a climate of Authoritarianism has descended upon Victoria. That is not hyperbolic rhetoric - the world is watching and the world is horrified at what we have permitted. An ingenious policy of fracturing and fragmenting the public mind has resulted in absolute disunity and confusion. Needless to say, we desperately require all people of conscience to be awake, and active, if we are to be successful in dismantling this tyranny.
We are all being strangled. Some will always applaud this, some will struggle, and others might very well be suffocated in their sleep.
When a fish begins to rot, it rots first from the head. What we are witnessing is the effect this has had on the tail.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..
This is a fairly articulate quote.
AUTHORITARIANS AND AUTHORITY - A Reflection On the Dynamics of Our Victorian Police State
#sackdanandrews
___________
Alas, Melbourne!
Once celebrated as 'The World's Most Liveable City,' now, under disastrous leadership, has become, 'The World's Must Governable.' No other Western populace has been locked down so ruthlessly, over so little, for so long.
When a fish begins to rot, it rots first at the head.
Our leadership is rotting.
Dan Andrews' is either a monster, or he has chosen to govern monstrously. His cruel 'pandemic strategy' has revealed an inept leader, prone to hubris, and well practiced in deflecting blame and fomenting social divide. With each dramatic "pandemic" escalation, the disdainful message is consistent and clear: "Victorians are at fault!" Many in their ignorance are persuaded to point at one another, yet, truthfully, all fingers need only point at the contemptuous Andrews' Government.
Victorians 'not doing the right thing,' is a feeble excuse for the coronavirus nemesis that eventually clobbered his self-congratulatory, yet bungled attempts at containment. This attitude has seen his successive failures projected upon all Victorians. A narcissist will never concede to his own culpability, after all, 'We're all in this together.' Adopting the pathological reasoning that 'we all failed for his failures,' he collapsed Victoria into a Police State - sadistically commanding the arms of tyrannical overreach to grip the neck of all Victorians.
We are all being strangled for his mistakes.
Many are paying attention. Many others are troubled, but unable to truly comprehend the magnitude of the Grand Lie. None of this sits right. Having had all aspects of their former reality upheaved, flipped and skewed into parody, they are starting to sense the deception and our immediate peril. The various lockdown strategies have all been utterly disproportionate to the viral threat: 99.98% survival rate. What has followed has been a manufactured tragedy of government duplicity and media-induced hysteria. One thing is clear, the real 'deadly virus' is upon us: historically it is known as Authoritarianism. Humankind is susceptible to it, especially when vulnerable, and it is extremely contagious to some, while ultimately infecting the lives of all.
Bizarrely, many are still content to defend the current course. They regard Andrews as nothing short of a godsend in these apocalyptic times. They rejoice, believing they are in competent hands. These devotees of 'The COVID Cult' all share a distorted perception of our unfolding COVID experience. Their view is neither factual, nor even evident, but a superb fiction that has been realised as a "real reality." They are the true 'Conspiracy Theorists,' paranoid and prone to delusion. They are right, because the government is right. Others are wrong, because the Government is right.
Most likely they support The Labor Party and its progressive Left-Wing ideology, but political affiliation aside, what they have actually elevated as hero, is truly villain. A monster acts monstrously and appeals to monsters. Andrews is a megalomaniac. This cannot be admitted to self, or others. They deny objective reality, remaining cognitively dissonant as they submit themselves wholeheartedly to 'The COVID Cult.'
To 'The COVID Cultists', black is white, and if demanded by Authority, the inverse is suddenly true - all nuance of grey is anathema. These people are the Authoritarians, theorised to be 30-50% of the population, each incapable of independent thought, and all utterly enamoured of Authority. And abusive Authority, such as is currently experienced under Andrews, is the toxic gas-lit-love they are incapable of unloving. To Authoritarians, the Authority and its apparatuses of oppression are indistinguishable from their own binary worldview: 'Victim versus Oppressor.' In an ironic twist, the 'victim' is now the Authority, and the 'oppressor' is any challenge to this Authority. Such a warped mindset is underscored by irrationality - it is extraordinary to behold, and incomprehensible to rational and empathic people.
All this is observed amongst the 'The COVID Cult.' When confronted with unnerving footage of police brutality, thuggery and once fashionable Brown Shirt bullying - they react in raucous delight. These are the same personality types that were previously triggered to virtue-signal condemnation for 'police brutality,' to spittle-spray against 'male violence against women,' and the 'oppression of the Patriarchy' - and now they celebrate and applaud such acts, and salivate for more. The police legally do, what they legally cannot - and by proxy, it satisfies their need to control, and to see control asserted.
They have a taste for retribution.
This is apparent in the recent instance of the 21-year-old girl and her encounter with the towering Gestapo-esque senior policeman. Despite having legal exemption for not wearing a 'face covering,' and perhaps showing contempt and defiance for being harassed over 'a mask,' knowing her exemption, and lauding it over her interrogator - she could never have anticipated his response. The Authoritarians supported his actions, justifying it in the context of some imagined threat, as if the sadism witnessed represented an outward expression of the Authority they identified with (as Authoritarians) exacting revenge upon a challenge to their own Authoritarianism. This girl attacked THEM and by extension - the proverbial arm of the law did what they wanted it to do! It went straight for the throat with a rubber-gloved grip.
Likewise, they support Andrew's firm hand around Victoria's neck: It is what Victoria deserves, what Victoria needs at this time - to be held up firmly, and rigidly supported.
In a Police State, during a declaration of a 'State of Disaster,' police are granted supreme power to maintain the supreme power of the Authority. The Authoritarians, while being a step down, are synonymous with this synergised monstrosity and represent the third and most effective prong in this three-pronged assault on the oppressed citizenry (Authority + Police + Authoritarians). Thrust into the side of normal humans, this is a formidable weapon by pathological governments against the resistance of conscientious 'normal' people.
The astounding thing is that many are still incapable of discerning that a climate of Authoritarianism has descended upon Victoria. That is not hyperbolic rhetoric - the world is watching and the world is horrified at what we have permitted. An ingenious policy of fracturing and fragmenting the public mind has resulted in absolute disunity and confusion. Needless to say, we desperately require all people of conscience to be awake, and active, if we are to be successful in dismantling this tyranny.
We are all being strangled. Some will always applaud this, some will struggle, and others might very well be suffocated in their sleep.
When a fish begins to rot, it rots first from the head. What we are witnessing is the effect this has had on the tail.
Very well written and a good view of the works down here in Vic.
Andrews uses the advice of his hand picked "Experts" and their unquestionable expertise as the only path forward, reminiscent of Mao, Pol Pot and may other dictators of the past. These same "Experts" inabilities to Quarantine and Trace is the reason we are in the malais we are in and now we are expected to trust the same "Experts" to find the path forward. In the real world if you can't do your Job properly you are no longer employed. We need the same approach in Vic, Department heads need to roll and mass civil disobedience should be the norm, but with masks on and social distancing
The thing that caused Victoria's second wave was protesting, more specifically the BLM protest "that had to happen"
completely irresponsible, people couldn't bury their dead or see their family but a protest was more important.....I am not against what they stand for, in fact I agree with it. I am however agains selfish inconsiderate assholes.
So in short it is the people of Victoria's fault that covid has cranked up again..... not all victorians faults,, not even a lot but a very very small but selfish minority.......
Dan Andrews is out of his depth in a carpark puddle...
I don't know how many months you can keep the majority locked inside before people don't care anymore, once all civil liberties are taken away there may not be too much more to lose for many who now don't have jobs and much else positive going on.
This situation could quite easily spark into a civil war,,, it's not the vocal minorities that cause real and drastic change it's generally when the quiet majority feel oppressed and than kick off.
I feel for all the people in Victoria but anyone protesting right now is risking spreading covid and increasing the numbers just as they are dropping.... I also understand why people may want too : masks, blm, conspiracy, control, civil rights etc etc there is a lot too kick off about but the more you do it the more covid spreads.
For gods sake of your in Victoria just punch a few cones and chill out, everyone else in your state has to stay home so don't ruin it for everyone
The weekends anti-oppression protesters should have just added blm to their list of things they were protesting
All would have been good then
Karen.......
and Kevin had a lovely day out at the protests but threw a bit of a tantrum when the nasty policemen told them it was time to leave.
Next weekend they intend to visit the homes of the families of all those who have died through this hoax........
I don't watch this fella, but this video popped up, was interesting in a scary type of way
Covid is real. Vulnerable should be protected - always been supporter of that.
But the stats are not real. I suggest go find some nurses and doctors, and get a first hand inquiry of how the stats are manipulated to drive the narrative. It's naive to just get informed from one singe source and consider it the ultimate truth without digging deeper. So many people out there just repeating the same lines you hear on the popular mainstream news - like parrots. And think they know it all.I could copy/paste here direct consistent testimonies about stats manipulation at wards from couple close friend nurses... but would probably not make a diff. I could give you specific details of a friend in Melb who got diagnosed with covid but never even got tested... and so on.Before you go and make these grand jokes about anyone questioning or applying critical thinking about what's going on, first do a proper research and take into consideration all people whose life's have been ruined by all this.
But yes, some of the protesters are nutters too. No doubt. There are idiots in both camps...
Select to expand quoteRazzonater said..
The thing that caused Victoria's second wave was protesting, more specifically the BLM protest "that had to happen"
This claim has been proven false.
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-24/coronacheck-black-lives-matter-melbourne-andrew-bolt-masks/12481360
It turns out that hotel quarantine is the culprit:
www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/returned-travellers-caused-99-per-cent-of-second-wave-20200817-p55mky.html
Select to expand quotesuperlizard said..
Covid is real. Vulnerable should be protected - always been supporter of that.
But the stats are not realwould .
I could give you specific details of a friend in Melb who got diagnosed with covid but never even got tested... and so on.Before you go and make these grand jokes about anyone questioning or applying critical thinking about what's going on, first do a proper research and take into consideration all people whose life's have been ruined by all this.
But yes, some of the protesters are nutters too. No doubt. There are idiots in both camps...
Was that the story that was posted here a few weeks ago about somebody who went for a test, got sick of waiting, left and got notified positive a few days later despite no test being done?
After a bit of thought, my speculation is that person has not got a letter that says positive diagnosis, but probably advice to self isolate, the reason being that since the person felt the need for testing but testing wasn't done an abundance of caution says that they might be infected. Infection can be ruled out by testing.
Select to expand quoteMr Milk said..superlizard said..
Covid is real. Vulnerable should be protected - always been supporter of that.
But the stats are not realwould .
I could give you specific details of a friend in Melb who got diagnosed with covid but never even got tested... and so on.Before you go and make these grand jokes about anyone questioning or applying critical thinking about what's going on, first do a proper research and take into consideration all people whose life's have been ruined by all this.
But yes, some of the protesters are nutters too. No doubt. There are idiots in both camps...
Was that the story that was posted here a few weeks ago about somebody who went for a test, got sick of waiting, left and got notified positive a few days later despite no test being done?
After a bit of thought, my speculation is that person has not got a letter that says positive diagnosis, but probably advice to self isolate, the reason being that since the person felt the need for testing but testing wasn't done an abundance of caution says that they might be infected. Infection can be ruled out by testing.
Yes that's the one. And no, he actually got a specific report that he has been tested positive. See that's the problem... you give people 1st account testimonies, and they just dismiss them (i have a number of close friends who do the same and it's mindboggling). They will always come up with some sort of reason to justify their complete unconditional trust in information presented by the mainstream media and the state government. I can also forward you at least two specific recent instances of non-covid death being marked as covid death. Direct first account by a close friend nurse. Think about this... I've got nothing to gain by sharing this info... no financial gain whatsoever... I don't run a political party, nor am I involved in any protests. I'm stunned though at how many aussies are ignoring the facts when you present them. Now, if we are talking about one anomaly then fine. But when you have multiple upon multiple 1st person accounts of skewed and false stats... then it makes you think. Problem in this country is that general population doesn't question much in general... that's why the entire state lost basic human rights for months upon months... and there is no real end in sight.
I started to lose a lot of faith in the truth when Victorian health minister told the public that deaths not caused by covid but had covid in their system were recorded as covid deaths.
Make that "truth".
No time for the protesters, just the usual rent a crowd.
Shame all the govt money being wasted on dodgy iso security contracts and jobkeeper wasnt spent on cancer research, heart disease and the other common disease related major causes of death, let alone suicide prevention, then thousands wouldn't die silently as Covid is the topic of the day. Protect the elderly and ill, let the rest of us get on with life.
In my area, Vics second largest city and nearby coastal towns, thousands of businesses are closed and may never reopen, people out of work, yet there are currently less than 20 active cases mostly linked to one aged care facility that dropped the ball. The consequences for individuals and families is disastrous, suicides in the next 12 months will out number Covid deaths.
Incompetence governing and governance. The Vics will remember last state election Andrews said he would tear up a major freeway bypass contract and it wouldn't cost Victoria a cent, he was right, it cost us over 1 billion dollars, his Govt borrowed billions from the Chinese govt and he wouldn't say what is was for, his Covid policy will destroy our economy and he'll seek more loans from the Chinese.
Moving north asap
Select to expand quotenebbian said..Razzonater said..
The thing that caused Victoria's second wave was protesting, more specifically the BLM protest "that had to happen"
This claim has been proven false.
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-24/coronacheck-black-lives-matter-melbourne-andrew-bolt-masks/12481360
It turns out that hotel quarantine is the culprit:
www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/returned-travellers-caused-99-per-cent-of-second-wave-20200817-p55mky.html
The tower cluster was from blm.....
was quite a few articles on it and admissions from the health minister until they got pulled down quick smart
It was a lot easier to blame hotel quarantine than 40,000 protesters
It has all worked out pretty well. Victorians not allowed to leave their state, its what the rest of Australia has wished for. No more coffee latte pasty white skinned man bun metro hipster vegan types invading the rest of our good country. Well that what my friend who works for the government said so it must be true, or you are all blind.
Build a Trump wall and make it permanent .
I have a friend who is a nurse who knows a doctor who once dated a vet and they said the government is wrong and covid is a hoax, just to stop the AFL finals from taking place in Melbourne, so it must be true.
Select to expand quoteGorgo said..psychojoe said..
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Possible explanations for that is that all the people who are easily likely to die have already died. Tough luck if you're old or unlucky.
The other explanation is that people and businesses are getting better at social distancing and managing themselves.
My understanding is that it is not accurate to say that Sweden just let COVID rip. Lots of businesses have shut down. There were all sorts of restrictions both voluntary and mandatory.
S W E D E N
Yes, the shutdown was not unlike what we had in Australia, except recent Victoria. The community voluntarily social distanced, and the like. How civil.
COVID Deaths
Sweden has had ~6,000 deaths, Australia ~600.
Australia has 3x the population, meaning we've had about 3.5% the death rate.
I'd like to add I'm not sure why it's OK for older people to die. I don't get it. I like old people.
The Economy
The Swedish economy fell -8.6% in the June/2nd quarter.
The Australian economy fell -7.0% in the June/2nd quarter.
www.scb.se/en/finding-statistics/statistics-by-subject-area/national-accounts/national-accounts/national-accounts-quarterly-and-annual-estimates/pong/statistical-news/national-accounts-second-quarter-2020/
Music
Sweden: ABBA
Australia: AC\DC
I dunno, Sweden looks not that amazing.
I think that everyone protesting In Australia should be awarded the American automatic machine gun of choice award.
But hey Just remember Were not American
I'm glad I started this thread. Been an interesting read. Different views from all angles . My view has not changed , the protesters are a completely selfish bunch of fools . No care for anyone . Chances are they are all clear from this ****full thing . But it's the what if factor . It's real. I've seen it with my own eyes. I see the graphs, I see the stats .
Watch some old bloke gasping for his last breath, and it makes you think about the self indulgent pieces of ****e potentially spreading this thing again and again . Personally I wish it was the movies . I'd go Texas chainsaw massacre, with my mask on mind you . but I live in the best state WA . Brilliant
Just so we're clear, the Victorian chief health officer was not consulted in regards to implementing the Victorian curfew. I can only draw the conclusion that this was a completely arbitrary violation of human rights. It's about halfway through this interview.
www.3aw.com.au/
I would suggest people have a watch of this if they think there's nothing to worry about
www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/1779303491724/surviving-the-virus-my-brother-and-me
