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Plastic bag ban not good enough

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Created by cauncy > 9 months ago, 20 Jun 2018
russh
SA, 3027 posts
4 Jul 2018 7:21PM
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WA & QLD welcome to the 2000's

You make me laugh

Take a few fkn calico shopping bags

Get on with your life

kk
WA, 953 posts
4 Jul 2018 5:54PM
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russh said..
WA & QLD welcome to the 2000's

You make me laugh

Take a few fkn calico shopping bags

Get on with your life


What's the weather like up there?

Mark _australia
WA, 23434 posts
4 Jul 2018 6:01PM
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russh said..
WA & QLD welcome to the 2000's




They started using unnecessary plastic crap for fruit n veg well long that.
Maybe get rid of the plastic nobody asked for first..... that's our point.

russh
SA, 3027 posts
4 Jul 2018 8:01PM
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Mark _australia said..

russh said..
WA & QLD welcome to the 2000's





They started using unnecessary plastic crap for fruit n veg well long that.
Maybe get rid of the plastic nobody asked for first..... that's our point.



Only cause people buy it.

If all the prepackaged veggies go rotten cause no one buys them sooner or later the bottom line will be hit & they'll change.

Fruit & veg shops are the best option - pay a couple o dollars more & know that your not supporting the plastic wrapping duopoly


Mr Milk
NSW, 3110 posts
4 Jul 2018 8:58PM
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russh said..
WA & QLD welcome to the 2000's

You make me laugh

Take a few fkn calico shopping bags

Get on with your life


There's a business opportunity for someone who wants to put statements/ads/logos on the side of those long lasting cotton bags.
Or who wants to make them in bigger sizes.

Agent nods
622 posts
4 Jul 2018 7:53PM
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Some (not all) of the prepackaged fruit and veges, is an attempt by the supermarkets to remove some of waste at the producer level. Every bit of fruit and veg sold in the "loose section" must meet criteria of size, shape and blemishes etc. If it does not meet the supermarkets specs ,it is dumped...it is a huge waste of perfectly good food.

Some of the f/g that is prepackaged is stuff that does not meet the prime spec is normally sold at a cheaper price per kg. Notice the sweet potatoes are much smaller than what is sold in the loose section? As self service is more and more the norm, If the smaller sweet potatoes where sold loose at a cheaper price .....which price would go through the scanner?

Carantoc
WA, 7173 posts
4 Jul 2018 8:44PM
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Mr Milk said..
There's a business opportunity for someone who wants to put statements/ads/logos on the side of those long lasting cotton bags...


I have been thinking about smuggling as a bigger opportunity.

I could smuggle plastic bags from NSW into Qld and the ACT and sell them on the black market undercutting the hemp bag pushers.

I know they check for bananas, porn and fireworks at the border, but I have been experimenting with places to conceal plastic bags and have found some interesting results ....

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
5 Jul 2018 11:40AM
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Woolworths sell sliced apples in plastic bags:

www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/673279/woolworths-fresh-food-kids-mini-apple-packs

I really like the sentiment, but the reusable bags are not the be-all-and-end-all solution. Every time I want to pop-in to my local Aldi on the way home from work I need to buy a yet another bag. : \

I'll say though that if I'm going shopping from home I have become completely accustomed to taking my own bag now. It's taken a few years but it has finally happened.

rod_bunny
WA, 1089 posts
5 Jul 2018 10:48AM
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Agent nods said..
As self service is more and more the norm, If the smaller sweet potatoes where sold loose at a cheaper price .....which price would go through the scanner?


For self service, they would go through the scanner at whatever the cheapest $/kg fruit and or veg was that week

rod_bunny
WA, 1089 posts
5 Jul 2018 11:09AM
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Agent nods said..
Some (not all) of the prepackaged fruit and veges, is an attempt by the supermarkets to remove some of waste at the producer level. Every bit of fruit and veg sold in the "loose section" must meet criteria of size, shape and blemishes etc. If it does not meet the supermarkets specs ,it is dumped...it is a huge waste of perfectly good food.

Some of the f/g that is prepackaged is stuff that does not meet the prime spec is normally sold at a cheaper price per kg. Notice the sweet potatoes are much smaller than what is sold in the loose section? As self service is more and more the norm, If the smaller sweet potatoes where sold loose at a cheaper price .....which price would go through the scanner?



They vegies sell at a per item price, so one would pick the biggest one could find?



Carrots.
Generally speaking... a carrot is a carrot. (I'll give Organic a pass here as, in theory, they cost more to produce)
$/kg
$0.80 Carrots
$0.90 Same carrots, Virtue Signalling branding (In plastic bag)
$1.90 Same carrots, just similar sizes.
$2.00 Same carrots, loose (So its 10c more/kg to fill a crate vs induhvidually bagging them??)
$3.00 Same carrots, just smaller. (At least its not the "shaped" baby carrots)
$3.90 Same carrots, just smaller, with the tops still on. (Pulled early, so more season time. Less processing)

I would wager that 90% of all carrots purchased get cut up into soup/mash/boiled/kid snack where no one would be able to tell what its providence was.


www.nielsen.com/au/en/insights/article/2018/revitalising-carrots-innovation-creating-new-options-for-shoppers/
"Carrots have long been a staple in the basket of Australian shoppers. Now, specialty carrots (same carrots different bag) are adding interest to purchasing carrots and are giving shoppers a chance to try something new!"

So we pay $3.10/kg more for carrots that have spent less time in the ground, are less processed, not in a bag, have a fancy name.
We are idiots.



Little Jon
NSW, 2115 posts
5 Jul 2018 5:05PM
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I re-use every single shopping bag as garbage bags. I remember 40 years ago there were no plastic bags and you never had to bring your own, the supermarket used brown paper bags....back to the future

sgo
VIC, 201 posts
5 Jul 2018 7:28PM
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Just spent some time in Maui, and the local Woollies store only used brown paper bags with handles to take groceries home.

Crusoe
QLD, 1197 posts
6 Jul 2018 5:29AM
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Plastic bags. The only legitimate use for them is picking up dog turds :) No matter how many times you reuse them, they are just no good for the environment. We survived in the past without so many of them. Surely we can do it better instead of whinging about it. Using a plastic bag twice, three or four time does not let you off the hook.



Mark _australia
WA, 23434 posts
6 Jul 2018 8:35AM
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Agent nods said.. As self service is more and more the norm, If the smaller sweet potatoes where sold loose at a cheaper price .....which price would go through the scanner?


I found the top part of your post interesting -didn't think of that. But now conspiracy time..... maybe this bit is the real reason.

I HATE the self service part, it is purely and simply a way to reduce the labour force and it stinks. But yes if all the fruit n veg is prepacked, people can't do dodgy scanning. Its all going together to make for giant stores making a bazillion $$$ a year, with only 2 staff in the whole place instead of 20, reduced service and less choice.
And no job for my kid in a few years...

Agent nods
622 posts
6 Jul 2018 9:05AM
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Mark _australia said..


I found the top part of your post interesting -didn't think of that. But now conspiracy time..... maybe this bit is the real reason.

I HATE the self service part, it is purely and simply a way to reduce the labour force and it stinks. But yes if all the fruit n veg is prepacked, people can't do dodgy scanning. Its all going together to make for giant stores making a bazillion $$$ a year, with only 2 staff in the whole place instead of 20, reduced service and less choice.
And no job for my kid in a few years...


It is not a conspiracy..... It is just a not stated aim.

1. Put the cost of supplying the packaging on to the producer - this makes stocking shelves faster and may force the consumer buy more than they want.

2. Yes labour reduction....supermarkets costs are fairly rigid, when coles/woolworths buy product usually at a very similar price, The same for transport etc. The only factor they can make a difference is is how much labour they pay for through the supply chain, thru to the store.

Paddles B'mere
QLD, 3586 posts
6 Jul 2018 12:25PM
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Yep, most bulk commodities such as basic fruit and veg are sold in a perfectly competitive market which means that the price is the same for all suppliers. The difference is in the cost of the overheads (business expenses) and also in the retailer's ability to rob Peter to pay Paul ie they can cover a "special" price on one stocked item using profit from the sale of another stocked item or an efficiency gained somewhere else in the business (such as supply chain labour).

Razzonater
2224 posts
6 Jul 2018 10:50AM
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I hope this link works it is entertaining
if not google the majestic plastic bag

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
6 Jul 2018 6:14PM
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Good post razz, this kind of production might get through to more people than the general rant on single use plastics, you'd be surprised how many people arnt aware of the damage done

FormulaNova
WA, 15083 posts
17 Jul 2018 12:06PM
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Has anyone changed their behavior since supermarkets stopped providing free plastic bags?

I have.

I now go to shops that still have free single-use plastic bags if I can.
I now pack my rubbish in bags that will survive a bulldozer driving over them at the tip.
I now use more of the multi-use bags for my rubbish, because for some reason you can pack less rubbish in them.
I now pay 15c for each bag when I have to pay for them. Surprisingly this is not a bad thing as they are thicker so that you can pack more items in them without them breaking, so instead of walking to the car with 9 plastic bags, I get there with 3.

Mr Milk
NSW, 3110 posts
1 Aug 2018 4:54PM
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And Coles has decided that too many toddler tantrums over the lack of free bags means they have to give shoppers free thicker bags.

www.smh.com.au/business/companies/coles-caves-and-will-give-away-free-plastic-bags-indefinitely-20180801-p4zurw.html

MDSXR6T
WA, 1019 posts
1 Aug 2018 8:43PM
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I suspect thats going to backfire rather badly

It's even worse for the environment!

Mark _australia
WA, 23434 posts
1 Aug 2018 9:01PM
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Today was the first time I put my steamer on for a year or so......... how will I get my feet in without a plastic shopping bag? The reusable ones may be too thick....?

Mr Milk
NSW, 3110 posts
1 Aug 2018 11:34PM
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^^^ I use an old bag that once held Koala brand Jasmine rice. It has been very durable.

rod_bunny
WA, 1089 posts
2 Aug 2018 12:12PM
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Mr Milk said..
And Coles has decided that too many toddler tantrums over the lack of free bags means they have to give shoppers free thicker bags.

www.smh.com.au/business/companies/coles-caves-and-will-give-away-free-plastic-bags-indefinitely-20180801-p4zurw.html


Yesterdays news...

Coles to stop handing out free plastic bags - again
Coles sets August 29 deadline for handout of free reusable plastic bags
www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-02/coles-sets-august-29-deadline-free-reusable-plastic-bags/10065194

TonyAbbott
924 posts
2 Aug 2018 1:25PM
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All you free bag hating but hurt knobs can still bring in your kale woven eco bags in, no one is forcing you to do anything else

We still live in a free choice society, which green w@nkers seem to forget

Mark _australia
WA, 23434 posts
2 Aug 2018 2:50PM
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Mr Milk said..
^^^ I use an old bag that once held Koala brand Jasmine rice. It has been very durable.



Good idea! the long skinny rice bag would be a better shape for a start.....


If my feet smell like Jasmine the missus might think I've been to the knock shop again but will deal with that as it comes.

djt91184
QLD, 1211 posts
2 Aug 2018 5:45PM
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I made a bag out of panda bears

Gorgo
VIC, 5097 posts
2 Aug 2018 5:52PM
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evlPanda said..
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I'll say though that if I'm going shopping from home I have become completely accustomed to taking my own bag now. It's taken a few years but it has finally happened.




I bought a Nanobag from Indigogo. It's waterproof, carries about 25kg and takes up the same space in your pocket as a couple of scrunched up tissues.

www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanobag-the-ultimate-carry-everywhere-bag#/

The free choice argument has some merit. The problem is that everybody seems exercise their free choice to be arseholes.

I will respect your free choice to be a dick when I not constantly seeing plastic bags in the water, the beaches are free of bottles and straws and butts and dog turds and every other thing you clowns want to drop.

Carantoc
WA, 7173 posts
4 Aug 2018 5:24PM
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I have an old bag to carry the shopping.

And once she has carried the shopping I get her to make me a sandwich.

What's the issue ?



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