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TonyAbbott said..
There are about 9000 chemicals, herbicides, pesticides, food additives, preservitives etc etc used in the USA that are banned in Europe due to their health concerns.

I am sure Europe uses plenty that are banned in the USA

I asked a fruit grower here in Australia if he thinks I have to wash his products before eating. He told me they have to use a particular pesticide on their produce in order to grow and sell them here in Australia. Australia is the only country that uses this particular chemical. Banned everywhere else or they have harmless ways to achieve same result. It does gets washed before packaging, but not well, so he recommended to wash everything before eating.

Who has it right? RFK junior wants to ask this question, make the food/chemical industry prove it is safe and then be held liable if they get it wrong.

Sounds fair enough to me.

Probably Fenthion. It was banned elsewhere in the world. Western Australia introduced a ban after extended notice, growers did not adapt and vigorously argued that the chemical was harmless and that banning Fenthion would reduce fruit production and thereby children's health would suffer due to kids eating less fruit. The government granted growers at least one extension.

RFK Jr. confirmed as HHS Secretary.

Let the Games begin.

www.hhs.gov/about/news/2025/02/13/robert-kennedy-jr-sworn-26th-secretary-hhs-president-trump-signs-executive-order-make-america-healthy-again.html

The list of things that are necessary to restore good health again is long.

A major foundational return to natural health modalities that work with nature instead of combat natural processes within the body, within food production and within medicine would be a good start.

I refer you to RFK Jr.

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D3 said..
The way you word that, it almost sounds like a worthy goal.

When you say a "return to natural health modalities", what do you mean?

Pity it's going to be hard to conduct new research on natural health and medicine with all these funding cuts..

Natural.

As Mother Nature intended.

Working with natural processes, rather than fighting them.

Treating the underlying cause of disease, rather than treating its symptoms.

Not petroleum or chemical based medicine like Rockefeller medicine or Breyer chemical food technology for example.

Preventative health through good nutrition and exercise.

Unprocessed whole foods or low-processed food that's free of synthetic chemicals.

Food that's grown in living organic soil and nutrient creating compounds and life forms, instead of food that's part of a synthetic product system, that starves the soil of natural nutrients and must be forced to grow with the assistance of synthetic fertilisers, synthetic pesticides and synthetic herbicides and is reliant on GMO technology.

Nature. The more aware of natural process within and without our bodies we are, as Mother Earth provides, the healthier we will be.

The challenge is how to remove the influence of the vested interests from the equation. I think maybe this is where an experienced lawyer such as RFK Jr can make some difference.

There's a lot more to it and i hope that answers your question. Maybe go and look into more yourself, rather than come to me with a list of questions.

Ask RFK Jr's department directly perhaps.

Regarding your claim about research - it's not really necessary. Natural processes and nature is well established! We lived with nature for millennia. She's ready and she provides freely. No funding required. We only need the will and to put in the work. We can stop deferring to external self-serving authorities influenced by vested interests to tell us what good health is.

We can marry modern technology with ancient natural health knowledge. Many cultures do this well, such as Japan and Taiwan.

We can thrive again, rather than merely live or worse, survive.

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Natural.
As Mother Nature intended.

Working with natural processes, rather than fighting them.

I'm not going to say that modern medicine has all the answers, but at least they are looking for them.
Because things are natural, does not mean they are good for us. This is a very strange appeal to nature as somehow being better for us.
As for working with natural processes instead of fighting them? Disease is natural, should we not fight disease?

Treating the underlying cause of disease, rather than treating its symptoms.

That is what modern medicine does, and does extremely well.
Notable exceptions are some chronic conditions where the cause is currently not treatable or or the non-specific presentation cannot be diagnosed accurately enough to safely prescribe treatment
- If modern medicine is unable to treat the cause of the disease, how is nature going to do it?

Not petroleum or chemical based medicine like Rockefeller medicine or Breyer chemical food technology for example.
Why not? How are we going "marry modern technology with ancient natural health knowledge" if we can't use modern technology?

Preventative health through good nutrition and exercise.

Yep, this definitely needs to be better supported, loads of modern research and government initiatives are doing this.
But it's an area where I am on board.

What's the point of your GP telling you to eat better and exercise more if you have to work too much in a desk job and still not be able to afford good quality produce at the shops. And then your work doesn't leave you enough time at home to be able to cook that nutritious meal.

Food that's free of synthetic chemicals.

Most chemicals are natural or or derived from natural sources anyway.
But once again, how do you "marry modern technology with ancient natural health knowledge" if you're going to discard modern technology?

Food that's grown in living organic soil and nutrient creating compounds and life forms, instead of food that's part of a synthetic product system, that starves the soil of natural nutrients and must be forced to grow with the assistance of synthetic fertilisers, synthetic pesticides and synthetic herbicides and is reliant on GMO technology.

Are you sure you're on board with "marry modern technology with ancient natural health knowledge"?
Because those two statements completely contradict each other.

I gather that you're talking about Organic food production here?
Currently organic farming practices produce about only 3/4 of what current non organic farms can.(see reference)
While it's a lofty goal, an immediate push for farmers to go Organic is going to result drop in food production and increases in costs.

Currently Organic food production is a niche part of our food supply for those who can afford it, making that shift rapidly is going to put out food supply at risk of all sorts of challenges.

www.cambridge.org/core/journals/proceedings-of-the-nutrition-society/article/sustainability-of-organic-food-production-challenges-and-innovations/AC943956EBE48385706EAB58DEF71BB5

Nature. The more natural we live, as Mother Earth provides, the healthier we will be.

Except when "Mother Nature" doesn't provide, because she's a fickle, capricious cow.
She's a mythical being, who doesn't actually care what we do. She'll throw cyclones, snowstorms, droughts, diseases and plagues at us.

The challenge is how to remove the influence of the vested interests from the equation. I think maybe this is where an experienced lawyer such as RFK Jr can make some difference.

He is a vested interest.
He is going to directly benefit from legal action taken against industries that he is now going to regulate.

There's a lot more to it and i hope that answers your question. Maybe go and look into more yourself, rather than come to me with a list of questions.

Yeah I've got a lot of concerns about how the whole MAHA dream is actually going to affect the majority of US citizens.

Ask RFK Jr's department directly perhaps.

Regarding your claim about research - it's not really necessary. Natural processes and nature is well established! We lived with nature for millennia. She's ready and she provides freely. No funding required. We only need the will and to put in the work, rather than defer to an external authority influenced by vested interests to tell us what good health is.

"Mother Nature" does not provide freely, otherwise farming would be much easier.
The reference I posted above says that much more research needs to be done if we're going to achieve majority organic food production.

Without research:
How are we going find cures and treatments to diseases and conditions that are currently incurable?
How are we going to find treatments for emerging infectious diseases?
How are we going to research (according to Peacenlove) "safe vaccines"?

How are we going study and plan our transition to organic food and a society which will be very different to what we have now without research?

We can marry modern technology with ancient natural health knowledge. Many cultures do this well, such as Japan and Taiwan.

Do they?

We can thrive again, rather than merely live or worse, survive.

Hey, I want to thrive too. But what you're talking about here sounds like removing a lot of the systems developed over the past few centuries that even make life survivable.

Not at all what I'm advocating. We can evolve and adapt over time without those alarmist shocks you are claiming.

RFK Junior is very against childhood vaccinations.
His CHD is also.
You seem pretty against them too, and have expressed desire for vaccine manufacturers be sued directly for injuries.

I see those desires as going backwards with children's health.

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peacenlove said..
The list of things that are necessary to restore good health again is long.

A major foundational return to natural health modalities that work with nature instead of combat natural processes within the body, within food production and within medicine would be a good start.

I refer you to RFK Jr.

I was last in the U.S. a decade ago and the food situation there was pretty awful, I used to travel there every couple of years.

Mostly everything on the shelves was heavilly processed. I know we struggled to find fresh fruit markets etc. It seemed most food was stuffed full of corn and sugar. I think the only food I found without added sugar in it was the salt. I would think much of Americans health problems relate to their diet and processed food options.

Is a sugar tax on RFKs radar? I'd be in favour of something like that being introduced in Australia

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peacenlove said..
Exploring the causes of the massive increases in chronic health conditions in children and adults over the past few decades, would be a good place to start.

That's the key plank of the Make America Healthy Again Commission, so we are told.

Dr Mercola discusses the data and offers his opinions here:

childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/big-ag-big-pharma-connection-what-you-eat-how-long-you-live-cola/

Why would anyone interested in public health be against anything that might break the worsening status quo?
Probably some vested interests or brainwashing by biomedical-chemical industry propaganda.

www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/establishing-the-presidents-make-america-healthy-again-commission/

Not against the status quo being shaken up.

But very against going backwards when it comes to health of children.

So we agree.

"Going backwards" sounds like a claim. Currently we are going "backward" with increasing rates of chromic disease.

What's your solution to the increasing rates of chronic disease?

How to deal with chronic diseases in kids and the wider population?

Research:
The causes
Interventions to prevent them
Methods for treating or curing them.

Not just saying our kids are fat and unhealthy, must be the diet and vaccines.
And then declare that you'll get rid of them.

Exactly . Research. But who's doing and funding the research? Pfizer? Merck? Breyer? Monsanto?

So if the public health authorities were doing their job properly, how do they explain the massive rise in chronic disease over the past century?

Do we do more of the same and expect a different result? That's insanity according to many.

There have been many independent studies, but they are routinely dismissed by public health authorities and their major sponsors in industry, because they don't like what the studies say.

Meanwhile, we are suffering under a system that doesn't truthfully want to address the causes of modern chronic disease.

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peacenlove said..

D3 said..

peacenlove said..

D3 said..

peacenlove said..
Exploring the causes of the massive increases in chronic health conditions in children and adults over the past few decades, would be a good place to start.

That's the key plank of the Make America Healthy Again Commission, so we are told.

Dr Mercola discusses the data and offers his opinions here:

childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/big-ag-big-pharma-connection-what-you-eat-how-long-you-live-cola/

Why would anyone interested in public health be against anything that might break the worsening status quo?
Probably some vested interests or brainwashing by biomedical-chemical industry propaganda.

www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/establishing-the-presidents-make-america-healthy-again-commission/

Not against the status quo being shaken up.

But very against going backwards when it comes to health of children.

So we agree.

"Going backwards" sounds like a claim. Currently we are going "backward" with increasing rates of chromic disease.

What's your solution to the increasing rates of chronic disease?

How to deal with chronic diseases in kids and the wider population?

Research:
The causes
Interventions to prevent them
Methods for treating or curing them.

Not just saying our kids are fat and unhealthy, must be the diet and vaccines.
And then declare that you'll get rid of them.

Exactly . Research. But who's doing and funding the research? Pfizer? Merck? Breyer? Monsanto?

So if the public health authorities were doing their job properly, how do they explain the massive rise in chronic disease over the past century?

Do we do more of the same and expect a different result? That's insanity according to many.

There have been many independent studies, but they are routinely dismissed by public health authorities and their major sponsors in industry, because they don't like what the studies say.

Meanwhile, we are suffering under a system that doesn't truthfully want to address the causes of modern chronic disease.

Sooooo.....

To be clear, you have major issues with where the funding comes from for Health and Medicine research.

But absolutely no problems with where the funding comes from for climate research?

Good to know

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hilly said..

peacenlove said..the massive increase in chronic disease over the last 100 years t

That is hilarious. Any stats to prove this? Please use % of population not numbers remember It was only a century ago that there were 2 billion people. Since then, the global population has quadrupled to eight billion.

Just to add to the list, factor in the rather huge leaps in medicine, and consequently we live longer. One hundred years ago, I would reckon fewer people suffered from chronic disease because they were already dead from an acute disease.

My 2nd shot gave me this insane feeling like i had been bitten all over my entire body by fireants and it was like it was heating up like a literal oven to point i had to get up from drinking in the little outside campchair and crawl into the van and was holding my phone ready to call triple 0 if it escalated.

Had never felt anything like it in my life it also happened 2 days after getting my 2nd shot.

I ?sked around and people said it may have just been my first ever "hot flush" but it was insanely intense thought i might be dieing etc etc


Months later i got sick in another camp where other people had also gotten sick they tested positive for covid and no matter how many tests i did i kept testing negative for covid but the sickness was something like i had never experienced before because it completely changed my sense of taste i remember i was leaving camp headed to the coast and grabbed some kfc on route and it tasted so weirdly different like it was made of vinegar but its like it was an almost gas vinegar that got into the sinuses or something took a week or so for normal taste to resume.

Still te?ted negative for covid once i got to my destination to after that....

And after my 3rd shot ala my first booster that i got because i was contracted to work overseas theychopped some dudes head off near me most likely u?related but just incase it is i wont be getting a 4th


So does my "lived experience" add a point towards team remery or team p&l cruises ?

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Froth Goth said..
My 2nd shot gave me this insane feeling like i had been bitten all over my entire body by fireants and it was like it was heating up like a literal oven to point i had to get up from drinking in the little outside campchair and crawl into the van and was holding my phone ready to call triple 0 if it escalated.

Had never felt anything like it in my life it also happened 2 days after getting my 2nd shot.

I ?sked around and people said it may have just been my first ever "hot flush" but it was insanely intense thought i might be dieing etc etc


Months later i got sick in another camp where other people had also gotten sick they tested positive for covid and no matter how many tests i did i kept testing negative for covid but the sickness was something like i had never experienced before because it completely changed my sense of taste i remember i was leaving camp headed to the coast and grabbed some kfc on route and it tasted so weirdly different like it was made of vinegar but its like it was an almost gas vinegar that got into the sinuses or something took a week or so for normal taste to resume.

Still te?ted negative for covid once i got to my destination to after that....

And after my 3rd shot ala my first booster that i got because i was contracted to work overseas they chopped some dudes head off near me most likely related but just incase it is i wont be getting a 4th


So does my "lived experience" add a point towards team remery or team p&l cruises ?

There's only one team brother. It's the elites who dish this crap out that want us to think there's teams.

This story is quite common in my lived experience Froth. I'm saddened to hear it. My brother's account is similar but he only managed on shot.

I do hope Remery and D3 don't also discount your experience outright.

It's most likely the novel mRNA that reprograms cell nucleuses to produce the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein in every cell it enters. In other words, every mRNA shot tells your body to produce poison. Not at all like any vaccine before. All traditional vaccines only stayed in the arm muscle tissue, whereas these new vaccines travel to all parts of the body. This is what caused the inflammation in people's hearts (myo/pericarditis), blood disorders and clots and turbo cancers and an array of neurological and inflammatory responses like yours.

Add to that, the novel nano-technology delivery platform that the mRNA is allegedly packaged into carries it's own problems, being identified in some trials to produce serious inflammation in some test subjects all on its own.

Add to that, it's now been demonstrated by several independent researchers that many Pfizer vaxx vials are contaminated with foreign DNA fragment counts far exceeding the safe limits determined by public health authorities.

Sooo, yeah. Pretty nasty stuff that was never used in a major public health intervention before CONVID.

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peacenlove said..

Froth Goth said..
My 2nd shot gave me this insane feeling like i had been bitten all over my entire body by fireants and it was like it was heating up like a literal oven to point i had to get up from drinking in the little outside campchair and crawl into the van and was holding my phone ready to call triple 0 if it escalated.

Had never felt anything like it in my life it also happened 2 days after getting my 2nd shot.

I ?sked around and people said it may have just been my first ever "hot flush" but it was insanely intense thought i might be dieing etc etc


Months later i got sick in another camp where other people had also gotten sick they tested positive for covid and no matter how many tests i did i kept testing negative for covid but the sickness was something like i had never experienced before because it completely changed my sense of taste i remember i was leaving camp headed to the coast and grabbed some kfc on route and it tasted so weirdly different like it was made of vinegar but its like it was an almost gas vinegar that got into the sinuses or something took a week or so for normal taste to resume.

Still te?ted negative for covid once i got to my destination to after that....

And after my 3rd shot ala my first booster that i got because i was contracted to work overseas they chopped some dudes head off near me most likely related but just incase it is i wont be getting a 4th


So does my "lived experience" add a point towards team remery or team p&l cruises ?

There's only one team brother. It's the elites who dish this crap out that want us to think there's teams.

This story is quite common in my lived experience Froth. I'm saddened to hear it. My brother's account is similar but he only managed on shot.

I do hope Remery and D3 don't also discount your experience outright.

It's most likely the novel mRNA that reprograms cell nucleuses to produce the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein in every cell it enters. In other words, every mRNA shot tells your body to produce poison. Not at all like any vaccine before. All traditional vaccines only stayed in the arm muscle tissue, whereas these new vaccines travel to all parts of the body. This is what caused the inflammation in people's hearts (myo/pericarditis), blood disorders and clots and turbo cancers and an array of neurological and inflammatory responses like yours.

Add to that, the novel nano-technology delivery platform that the mRNA is allegedly packaged into carries it's own problems, being identified in some trials to produce serious inflammation in some test subjects all on its own.

Add to that, it's now been demonstrated by several independent researchers that many Pfizer vaxx vials are contaminated with foreign DNA fragment counts far exceeding the safe limits determined by public health authorities.

Sooo, yeah. Pretty nasty stuff that was never used in a major public health intervention before CONVID.

Oh dear.
Who is misrepresenting whom here?

This makes it abundantly clear. One key policy is to uncover the root causes of disease, instead of the current policies that encourage treatment of already acute illness and chronic disease symptoms:

www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/establishing-the-presidents-make-america-healthy-again-commission/

Stay tuned to HHS for further info. Signing out.