Only in NSW

Ian, which bit are you asking about? The article I read on this today says that in Vic they don't have the warning signs already and its not that different to NSW.

When I did a bit of a drive up to Mackay Qld years ago, it qas quite obvious where the radar units were. They were marked quite obviously and all the other motorists warned you anyway.

So, you can see two alternatives. Is one better than the other?

The same article I read today had the NRMA suggesting that the best approach would be more cops on the road. I agree. Coming back from the snow this year I saw really stupid things, but when there were cop cars doing laps, things seemed to slow down to a sensible speed.

You can see this coming. The road stats are up, so instead of criticising the lazy approach, they are now pushing for the lazy approach with no signs.

You can almost predict the outcome. Fine revenue will go up, but road deaths will also go up as they put their faith in the cameras to solve the problem.

I thought we were the stupid state over here in WA when we had those signs. But no, its NSW

People love to whinge about revenue raising speed cameras, but nothing is more effective at getting people to drive carefully than having only a demerit point or two left before they lose their licence

The fines help a little too, but only for broke people i reakon

Visible Policing is the tried and proven method, not only are speeds monitored, but other driving habits adjusted.
Speed cameras are nothing more than revenue raisers, and a lazy shonky way policing road users.
Be on the end of some clowns speed transgression that causes an accident, to find out later the same clown was booked via a speed camera ten so kilometers back. Got a ticket in the mail few weeks later, but way too late for those involved.
And no, haven't had a speed ticket for years, as my work role kept me on the road for some extended periods.

Reminds me of a joke about two mates, one held a sign before a speed trap warning drivers, "Speed Trap ahead!" His mate was just beyond with a sign asking "was it worth a buck?"

Yet even with a warning sign IN FRONT of the camera Hidden at the top of a hill in a candy car they can still catch people.

How stupid and incompetent are they?

Fark mi they should cut up their license at the very least

I think if the traffic lights were timed so once you're on a road and hit a set of lights then if you travel at the speed limit you get all green lights that would massively stop people speeding.
Driving up pennant hills road today & it's a fairly major road in Sydney if you took off from a green light by the time you get to the next it's red if travelling at speed limit but if you were speeding you could probably get through them & green all the way .
But at the speed limit it's always turns red stopping the flow from last green light .
They seem to be timed to disrupt traffic travelling at speed limit.
Is this a con to try & divert people to the toll ways?
Or is it forcing people to speed to get booked ?
Either way it's really bad management .
Ive rang the department of fair trading complaining about the tolls because they charge for a premium service but this is never delivered because there always under construction so you have to drive at a reduced speed limit for the road works .
What made me do that is seeing people get rebates from internet providers claiming a higher speed than what they actually received & getting rebates because the service they we're charging for was not provided & also people getting rebates from public transportation when it's delayed.
They bumped me over to the toll ombudsman as they agreed with what I was saying & so did the toll ombudsman but apparently it's out of there jurisdictions so I've now got to go to the minister for transportation or the premier to get an answer .
But in my mind it's the same.
I get charged to have a 100 kph driving road but it's 40 kph at best the service that I actually get .
If it was any other business they would have to rebate people for that discrepancy.

Speed cameras in west oz had signs warning you on approach up until around 5-8 years ago.
There was a documentary on tv the other night how they now have cameras they have designed to sit in a parked cars indicator location and get people.
This has nothing to do with road till and all to do with revenue, if it was about road toll they would pay an extra two cops and buy a car and get it out on the road.
hiding behind trees and putting illegally dark tint on the windows of cars taking the photos is no more than revenue raising and trying to extract extra tax from the population.
Reducing the road toll would require things that cost money and not make it. There is no other possible algorithm to do this.

Traffic light timing has indeed remained the same however now and the last 5 years it is intentional that city's and councils jam a 1km section of road that used to be 80 and now make it 70 or 60.
This is where they than install a red light/speed camera so your approaching on a green at the 70 instead of the historical 80 for that area. You know that your out of sync for the other 4 sets of lights on that road. Around 50 metres from crossing the white line the light goes orange, you do not have enough time to stop and yet to get through would mean doing 75 and getting a fine for speeding. Nonetheless getting a speeding fine for being slightly over is far better than running a red light.
This is also fortunate for our policy makers as a slight infraction takes a higher revenue per point yield than the larger point deduction and smaller relative revenue.
This enables farming the citizens and creating a stable revenue stream not only from fines but also the petrol tax

Oh yeah, I practice emergency stops in my cars and bike. It is a necessary survival skill for motorcyclists that they get taught, yet car drivers never get trained on how hard they can slam on the skids, even with ABS.

50m should be heaps to stop at 80.