Not a single regret

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Pcdefender said..
From the dating website unjected.com


Created by two moms in Hawaii, during the height of the vaccine rollout spring 2021; Unjected is a multi-faceted platform of health conscious, covid-19 unvaccinated humans who believe in medical freedom, freedom of choice, freedom of speech & bodily autonomy. After slander in the media, we have grown to an ever multiplying 110,000 members in 85 different countries around the world in pursuit of love, friendships, community, business connections, and even blood directories & fertility directories to find donors that are free from experimental synthetic mRNA injections to protect the integrity of the control group population.

Purebloods

Hey, you say that they are a platform of people that believe in medical freedom, freedom of choice, and bodily autonomy, but they require you to be unvaccinated? That's a bit restrictive isn't it?

Why are they discriminating against people that believe in medical freedom but have chosen a different choice? That's a bit hypocritical isn't it?

Just asking for a friend of course

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remery said..
"Ok", I'm really sorry to hear that myocarditis has affected your quality of life so deeply. From a vaccination perspective its important to remember that in pre-COVID America 3.1 million cases of myocarditis were diagnosed in 2017 (Lancet, November 2018). Focus on getting well again.

Why is it important to remember that there's myocarditis in a population of soda drinking kfc eating Americans that don't exercise and have heart conditions? Pretty weird suggestion if you ask me. I'm 32 and was completely fit and healthy prior to the vaccine. Carpenter by trade that I hadn't been to the doctors in so long I didn't even have a valid Medicare card. Only two things on my record were when I needed to get stitches so I could keep working physically.Maybe look at the current vaccine recommendations for the state of Florida who has a similar population size to Australia.

www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/10/11/florida-surgeon-general-ladapo-covid-vaccines/

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Pcdefender said..
From the dating website unjected.com


Created by two moms in Hawaii, during the height of the vaccine rollout spring 2021; Unjected is a multi-faceted platform of health conscious, covid-19 unvaccinated humans who believe in medical freedom, freedom of choice, freedom of speech & bodily autonomy. After slander in the media, we have grown to an ever multiplying 110,000 members in 85 different countries around the world in pursuit of love, friendships, community, business connections, and even blood directories & fertility directories to find donors that are free from experimental synthetic mRNA injections to protect the integrity of the control group population.

Purebloods

This rings a bell. Creating a master race from the genetically pure.

how do they verify you're unvaxxed? Is there some kind of qr code or microchip?

what's to stop me claiming to be unvaxxed and polluting their bloodlines? Assuming they are homeopathic types even a tiny bit would be devastating.

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CH3MTR4IL5 said..
This rings a bell. Creating a master race from the genetically pure.

how do they verify you're unvaxxed? Is there some kind of qr code or microchip?

what's to stop me claiming to be unvaxxed and polluting their bloodlines? Assuming they are homeopathic types even a tiny bit would be devastating.

Soon the unvaxxed will become the breeding stock for the rest of us. We could even create high-ranking roles for them and have special ceremonies and all sorts of stuff. They could have babies for the lot of us and we would know that they are then pure.

Blessed be the fruit.

(Don't tell them about their new roles too soon. Don't want to spook them. We've been sent good weather.)

Assuming that news poll was skewed, we could take a sample here. We have Ok, Tequila, and probably a couple of others, I'd guess it's safe to say at least one. A direct member of my family is one, although you could say they are outside the sample set. How many contributors to this thread, 100? So that's 2 or 3% from the 'shooting the breeze' community? What is the acceptable level of risk for a vaccine having a significant debilitating impact on a persons life for the standard measles, polio, diptheria, etc, shots? I'm guessing much, much lower than 3%? And those vaccines stop the disease from spreading. The majority of my vaccinated family and friends have caught covid since being vaccinated and plenty of them have now had it twice.

If you then go back to the story attached to the poll, it says 37% are unvaccinated, 35% are vaccinated and would do it again, leaving 28% as vaccinated and regretting it. The national vaccination rate is around 97%, that is 3% unvaccinated. So that could suggest that poll is skewed by a factor of 37/3, or 12 times higher, by 'anti-vax nutters'. So, lets take the 28% that are vaccinated but regret it, and divide that by 12, giving 2.3% of 'normal' people that were vaccinated and regret it. Now, as FN and I both pointed out, it's easy to have an opinion after the event. If the vaccine didn't effect you, you can easily say you don't regret taking it. The flip side of that is why would someone say they regret it if they didn't suffer some significant impact? So, there's a potential figure of 2.3% derived from the poll of 50,000 people that aligns with the 2-3% figure of members from this thread.

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Flying Dutchman said..
News.com.au is on a roll these last few days.... have the editors been hijacked by Covid anti-vaxxers??

Let me guess, Tequila! & ok won't be one of the approved recipients of a payout, their injuries aren't vax related, it's just normal myocarditis & pericarditis that healthy, fit, 32 year olds normally get.

www.news.com.au/finance/economy/federal-budget/covid-vaccine-injury-payouts-explode-to-77-million-budget-reveals/news-story/df39fcf430c6cadb487a9914df7a3422

Did you find out what Tequila's injury was in relation to the Covid vaccine? Lots of people have had some sort of reaction. I even mentioned on here about the adverse reactions I got after taking a vaccine.

'News' are there to sell advertising and any story is newsworthy if it gets readers. If it were Labor that were in charge during most of the pandemic the daliy telegraph would have been crying out for blood and telling us all that we have suffered too much.

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FormulaNova said..
Did you find out what Tequila's injury was in relation to the Covid vaccine? Lots of people have had some sort of reaction. I even mentioned on here about the adverse reactions I got after taking a vaccine.

'News' are there to sell advertising and any story is newsworthy if it gets readers. If it were Labor that were in charge during most of the pandemic the daliy telegraph would have been crying out for blood and telling us all that we have suffered too much.

I'm not sure what injury Tequila's is exactly. Hopefully he can tell us.

As for 'News' companies, yup they are advertising platforms. All the fear mongering over the last 2 years was good material.

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Flying Dutchman said..
I'm not sure what injury Tequila's injury is exactly. Hopefully he can tell us.

As for 'News' companies, yup they are advertising platforms. All the fear mongering over the last 2 years was good material.

I seem to remember these 2 guys were encouraging everyone to get vaxxed not long ago. Seem to have had a change of heart after looking into more data.

I have little respect for people telling us after the fact what we should have done. akin to telling someone what last week's lotto numbers should have been, it makes no sense.

Didn't you have an adverse reaction yourself or know someone close to you that did? If so, how did they get on? (edit: you just answered that.)

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FormulaNova said..
I have little respect for people telling us after the fact what we should have done. akin to telling someone what last week's lotto numbers should have been, it makes no sense.

For sure I agree, however there were plenty of people who had good ideas at the start of this pandemic who were labelled conspiracy theory anti-vaxxers who were ridiculed and now don't look so stupid.

This group was great, why didn't they get more air time in the media?

gbdeclaration.org/

Your post above is another example of telling us how things should have been done after the fact. Hindsight is 20/20.

There would be heaps more people that told us things that were impractical or impossible, yet without having been tested there is no way of knowing if they were good ideas or crackpot theories.

I could have stood on a box and told everyone that the answer was 'more celery juice', but without any proof, what does that mean? Nothing, it would just be an opinion.

If you or someone else were to turn around and say now 'we didn't need vaccines' I would accept that you or they just aren't looking at the problem and are re-examining it with the benefit of it no longer being an issue.

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FormulaNova said..
I think the flaw in the logic is that people feel uneasy about having taken something when they look around them and see 'not many people were affected'. They may not have themselves had an adverse reaction but may be worried about long term effects. They may read cases such as mentioned here about people they have heard of that have had serious complications because of the vaccine. Enough to make them regret it even though they never suffered.

I know in your case you have been affected because of one of your daughters suffering ongoing problems. I think Flying Dutchman would not advocate it because of someone he heard about suffering complications.

I myself am wary about telling someone to take more vaccinations and can only answer for me.

Sadly these sort of things are things where a good response to it can create a negative impression. If vaccination resulted in a result where few people (as a percentage of the population) suffered from Covid itself, then it could appear the vaccination wasn't needed, but clearly the logic doesn't say that.

Not that its the same but I recall the response here in Aus after the GFC, with stimulus spending, of people saying 'what GFC' and 'why did they waste all that money'. A situation that could have had a terrible negative impact if left untended, but the response left people wondering why there was a problem anyway.

I'm just trying to objectively understand what the effects of the vaccine have been on the population. I tried to get a sensible number from the news poll, and ended up with 2-3%. The number of people on this thread is pretty small, and we have 2, 3, maybe more, very significant health issues. The specialists my daughter has been seeing have told her that her condition is most likely due to the vaccine, but it can't be 100% proven and it won't appear in any official covid statistic. Oddly, her high school english tutor commented on the unusual number of students that she tutors that have developed the same rare condition as my daughter since the vaccinations.

Is it still statistically a good idea to take the vaccination. Probably, perhaps? Let people make their own choice. Why effectively force people to take it if it reduces symptoms but doesn't stop the spread? (Yes, this was my view before my teenage daughter's life was ruined, it's not an 'after the event' stance.)

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Flying Dutchman said..

Pfizer just admitted they had not even tested it on transmission because they moved, "At the speed of science."

The vax was labelled as effective. What vaccine do you need four of & still catch & pass on the disease it was supposed to stop? If this is the definition of effective, what does safe mean?

They didn't "just admit it", they clearly stated that in the trial documents. They were looking for efficacy in reducing deaths and hospitalisation, not in reducing transmission.

i despise that media language where someone asks a question, the other party answers it and then "AHA! You admitted it!".

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Flying Dutchman said..

The vax was labelled as effective. What vaccine do you need four of & still catch & pass on the disease it was supposed to stop? If this is the definition of effective, what does safe mean?

Well, the flu is pretty much the same. Any virus which is mutating quickly.

Safe is a game of statistics. Far less people died or spent time in intensive care because of vaccination. On a societal level, it was the right choice for the benefit of the majority. But for any healthy individual who has suffered an adverse reaction that is an unfair trade and you have the right to feel angry about it, especially if you felt coerced to do so.

on the flip side, maybe catching covid while
unvaccinated would have had an even worse outcome. The counter to the 'healthy guy i know who got vaccinated and got sick' story, a guy i know who wasn't vaccinated (pre-vax rollout), 32yo healthy male with no underlying symptoms (mariner), spent 9 months in intensive care mostly on a ventilator. His wife flew out to see him in the first few weeks because they were pretty sure he was going to die.

Personally i got covid 9 months after a booster, it knocked me flat. Would a more recent booster have made it better, or not having been vaxxed made it worse? Dunno. Probably yes to both.

I remain 100% supportive of vaccination in general and for covid, but if you did end up with a negative result for something you felt you were compelled to do, i hear that also. I had about a decade of negative effects from antimalarials trialled by defence, which were at 10x the dosage now recommended. Apparently all in my head, along with all the others.

And stop sucking me into these topics FD

"In fact, it most often affects otherwise healthy, young, athletic types with the high-risk population being those of ages from puberty through their early 30's, affecting males twice as often as females."

www.myocarditisfoundation.org/about-myocarditis/

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remery said..
"In fact, it most often affects otherwise healthy, young, athletic types with the high-risk population being those of ages from puberty through their early 30's, affecting males twice as often as females."

www.myocarditisfoundation.org/about-myocarditis/

In that case, the appropriate medical advice for those in the high-risk group might be to avoid having a vaccine that is known to be a cause of developing the condition, or at the very least, a warning that it is a risk so that you can make an informed decision.

Florida is probably not the best exemplar given that they had 82,000 COVID deaths to Australia's 15,000.