More coronavirus stuff

Select to expand quote

azymuth said..What's your point about there being a patent for SARS-CoV? How does that relate to SARS-CoV-2?

sun fun said..Here's one of the US patents. Feel free to toss up as much fakery as you like.

Enter 7776521 into the search field at patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm

"Coronavirus isolated from humans".

Under US law, it's illegal to file a patent on natural viruses. The only way to legally file a US patent on a biological agent is to manufacture it but this still remains illegal under international law covering biological weapons.

That's why the US had to do it by funding a lab in communist Wuhan....

Can only lead a horse to water.....

It's illegal. Either it's a natural virus, which is illegal to patent or, it's an engineered biological agent which is legal to patent but is also illegal under international law controlling biological weapons.

Therefore, given that the so-called Covid-19 pandemic originated in Marxist Wuhan, where the CDC sponsors a lab where coronavirus was being studied and developed And coronavirus cannot jump directly from animals to humans without a significant mutation (SARS-CoV-2 is not from an animal) one can only conclude that Covid-19 could not have come from a 'wet market' as claimed and is in fact a biological agent.

Now if you are to believe that in a huge country like China, with a population over 1 Billion people, this virus not only managed to jump from an animal, which is virtually impossible AND also just down the road from a US sponsored lab where they were covertly studying and developing this virus then I can only say, human intelligence has been totally overridden by fear and humanity is finished in the near future.

One can only lead a horse to water....

Select to expand quote

sun fun said..

Therefore, given that the so-called Covid-19 pandemic originated in Marxist Wuhan, where the CDC sponsors a lab where coronavirus was being studied and developed And coronavirus cannot jump directly from animals to humans without a significant mutation (SARS-CoV-2 is not from an animal) one can only conclude that Covid-19 could not have come from a 'wet market' as claimed and is in fact a biological agent.

Now if you are to believe that in a huge country like China, with a population over 1 Billion people, this virus not only managed to jump from an animal, which is virtually impossible AND also just down the road from a US sponsored lab where they were covertly studying and developing this virus then I can only say, human intelligence has been totally overridden by fear and humanity is finished in the near future.

One can only lead a horse to water....

Did you check the genome sequence before you came to that conclusion?

mra.asm.org/content/9/11/e00169-20

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MN988668

Hey sun fun,

You sound like sensible and informed water sports lover who also knows the truth.

Maybe,....nah... yeah go on, could you give us a run down on the issues surrounding 9/11 and also Peter Dutton's management of border security.

Feel free to start a new thread(s) if required. Also links to cartoons from first dog on the moon if they help clarify things.

Regards

CT

Select to expand quote

azymuth said..It's relevant to what you said above - how do you explain the genome similarity between bat-SL-CoVZC45 and SARS-CoV-2?

Extract from the link below "At the whole-genome level, the SARS-CoV-2 shares an 87.99% sequence identity with the bat-SL-CoVZC45 and 87.23% sequence identity with the bat-SL-CoVZXC2"

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7180649/

sun fun said..And coronavirus cannot jump directly from animals to humans without a significant mutation (SARS-CoV-2 is not from an animal) one can only conclude that Covid-19 could not have come from a 'wet market' as claimed and is in fact a biological agent. Now if you are to believe that in a huge country like China, with a population over 1 Billion people, this virus not only managed to jump from an animal, which is virtually impossible sun fun said..

It's irrelevant. Whether the genome sequence is 87.99% bat or 100% bat, it is still illegal to patent a naturally occurring virus and even more illegal to develop a biologically engineered pathogen.

Do you accept this point of law is real and serious?

This is why in 2013, the research was offshored to a communist regime lab in Wuhan!

If you still don't understand the significance of this:

www.brighteon.com/bd96748a-5894-4fcf-bf76-a6aea0a6148e

Ahem... a good read...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2258702/

Difference in Receptor Usage between Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) Coronavirus and SARS-Like Coronavirus of Bat Origin


J Virol. 2008 Feb; 82(4): 1899-1907.

Published online 2007 Dec 12. doi: 10.1128/JVI.01085-07



PMCID: PMC2258702

PMID: 18077725

Abstract
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by the SARS-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV), which uses angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) as its receptor for cell entry. A group of SARS-like CoVs (SL-CoVs) has been identified in horseshoe bats. SL-CoVs and SARS-CoVs share identical genome organizations and high sequence identities, with the main exception of the N terminus of the spike protein (S), known to be responsible for receptor binding in CoVs. In this study, we investigated the receptor usage of the SL-CoV S by combining a human immunodeficiency virus-based pseudovirus system with cell lines expressing the ACE2 molecules of human, civet, or horseshoe bat. In addition to full-length S of SL-CoV and SARS-CoV, a series of S chimeras was constructed by inserting different sequences of the SARS-CoV S into the SL-CoV S backbone. Several important observations were made from this study. First, the SL-CoV S was unable to use any of the three ACE2 molecules as its receptor. Second, the SARS-CoV S failed to enter cells expressing the bat ACE2. Third, the chimeric S covering the previously defined receptor-binding domain gained its ability to enter cells via human ACE2, albeit with different efficiencies for different constructs. Fourth, a minimal insert region (amino acids 310 to 518) was found to be sufficient to convert the SL-CoV S from non-ACE2 binding to human ACE2 binding, indicating that the SL-CoV S is largely compatible with SARS-CoV S protein both in structure and in function. The significance of these findings in relation to virus origin, virus recombination, and host switching is discussed.

...
From crystal-structural analysis of the S-ACE2 complex, it was predicted that the S protein of SL-CoV is unlikely to use huACE2 as an entry receptor (30), although this has never been experimentally proven due to the lack of live SL-CoV isolates. Whether it is possible to construct an ACE2-binding SL-CoV S protein by replacing the RBD with that from SARS-CoV S proteins is also unknown.
In this study, a human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)-based pseudovirus system was employed to address these issues. Our results indicated that the SL-CoV S protein is unable to use ACE2 proteins of different species for cell entry and that SARS-CoV S protein also failed to bind the ACE2 molecule of the horseshoe bat, Rhinolophus pearsonii. However, when the RBD of SL-CoV S was replaced with that from the SARS-CoV S, the hybrid S protein was able to use the huACE2 for cell entry, implying that the SL-CoV S proteins are structurally and functionally very similar to the SARS-CoV S. These results suggest that although the SL-CoVs discovered in bats so far are unlikely to infect humans using ACE2 as a receptor, it remains to be seen whether they are able to use other surface molecules of certain human cell types to gain entry. It is also conceivable that these viruses may become infectious to humans if they undergo N-terminal sequence variation, for example, through recombination with other CoVs, which in turn might lead to a productive interaction with ACE2 or other surface proteins on human cells.

...

Select to expand quote

sun fun said..

azymuth said..

sun fun said..

azymuth said..It's relevant to what you said above - how do you explain the genome similarity between bat-SL-CoVZC45 and SARS-CoV-2?

Extract from the link below "At the whole-genome level, the SARS-CoV-2 shares an 87.99% sequence identity with the bat-SL-CoVZC45 and 87.23% sequence identity with the bat-SL-CoVZXC2"

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7180649/

sun fun said..And coronavirus cannot jump directly from animals to humans without a significant mutation (SARS-CoV-2 is not from an animal) one can only conclude that Covid-19 could not have come from a 'wet market' as claimed and is in fact a biological agent. Now if you are to believe that in a huge country like China, with a population over 1 Billion people, this virus not only managed to jump from an animal, which is virtually impossible sun fun said..

It's irrelevant. Whether the genome sequence is 87.99% bat or 100% bat, it is still illegal to patent a naturally occurring virus and even more illegal to develop a biologically engineered pathogen.

Do you accept this point of law is real and serious?

This is why in 2013, the research was offshored to a communist regime lab in Wuhan!

If you still don't understand the significance of this:

www.brighteon.com/bd96748a-5894-4fcf-bf76-a6aea0a6148e

I gave you links to scientific papers and you gave me a link to Brighteon.com - are you serious?

So does that mean you do accept that patenting a naturally occurring virus is illegal?

If your so sure that what you say is illegal, then start the appropriate legal action, in the meantime STFU.

Patenting any naturally occurring biological entity is illegal almost everywhere especially in the US, except in totalitarian regimes like China it's good business and military tech.

I don't need a pointer. This is basic law. But sure, shall I provide the link to the US law or will you do your own research?

That's why the NIH moved their research and development of the coronavirus from the US, where Medical Institutes were outraged, to a despotic Marxist state like Wuhan.

There's absolutely no way in hell, a mutated SARS-CoV-virus jumped straight from an animal to a human. It's total
So when you are told that it originated in a wet market, just down the road from a lab sponsored by a US organisation and you believe it mate, all I can say is get real. China is a huge place. The world is a huge place and yet we are expected to believe that this is where it jumps from an animal to a human - just down the road from what is an illegal, unethical development lab's work?

Seriously?

Select to expand quote

FormulaNova said..

UncleBob said..

sun fun said..

azymuth said..

sun fun said..

azymuth said..It's relevant to what you said above - how do you explain the genome similarity between bat-SL-CoVZC45 and SARS-CoV-2?

Extract from the link below "At the whole-genome level, the SARS-CoV-2 shares an 87.99% sequence identity with the bat-SL-CoVZC45 and 87.23% sequence identity with the bat-SL-CoVZXC2"

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7180649/

sun fun said..And coronavirus cannot jump directly from animals to humans without a significant mutation (SARS-CoV-2 is not from an animal) one can only conclude that Covid-19 could not have come from a 'wet market' as claimed and is in fact a biological agent. Now if you are to believe that in a huge country like China, with a population over 1 Billion people, this virus not only managed to jump from an animal, which is virtually impossible sun fun said..

It's irrelevant. Whether the genome sequence is 87.99% bat or 100% bat, it is still illegal to patent a naturally occurring virus and even more illegal to develop a biologically engineered pathogen.

Do you accept this point of law is real and serious?

This is why in 2013, the research was offshored to a communist regime lab in Wuhan!

If you still don't understand the significance of this:

www.brighteon.com/bd96748a-5894-4fcf-bf76-a6aea0a6148e

I gave you links to scientific papers and you gave me a link to Brighteon.com - are you serious?

So does that mean you do accept that patenting a naturally occurring virus is illegal?

If your so sure that what you say is illegal, then start the appropriate legal action, in the meantime STFU.

If anything shouldn't some company of the New World Order be trying to sue Wuhan Virus Labs Incorporated for violating their patent and paying the licensing fees? Or at least get a cease-and-desist order to remove the virus from 'production' around the world?

This whole talk of a patent is nonsense.

Ahh no, because the NIH deliberately moved their research to Wuhan after US Medical Societies screamed it was highly unethical and questioned whether they were developing a biological weapon. So what, they'd sue themselves?

Patenting a naturally occurring biological entity is illegal under 35-USC-101.

So the talk is not nonsense because if it's a naturally occurring virus then it's illegal to patent and if it's bio-engineered, which is legal to patent, then it's illegal under International Biological Weapons Controls.

Either way, it's totally illegal and therefore either a weapon or, corruption of US law at the highest levels.

That's why they developed it in China. ChinA is a Marxist totalitarian regime, remember. This is standard shiitfarkery for them.

They also miraculously got "Covid-19" under control better than anyone else.

Funny that.

Select to expand quote

sun fun said..
Patenting any naturally occurring biological entity is illegal almost everywhere especially in the US, except in totalitarian regimes like China it's good business and military tech.

I don't need a pointer. This is basic law. But sure, shall I provide the link to the US law or will you do your own research?

That's why the NIH moved their research and development of the coronavirus from the US, where Medical Institutes were outraged, to a despotic Marxist state like Wuhan.

There's absolutely no way in hell, a mutated SARS-CoV-virus jumped straight from an animal to a human. It's total
So when you are told that it originated in a wet market, just down the road from a lab sponsored by a US organisation and you believe it mate, all I can say is get real. China is a huge place. The world is a huge place and yet we are expected to believe that this is where it jumps from an animal to a human - just down the road from what is an illegal, unethical development lab's work?

Seriously?

Yes please, provide a pointer where it says its illegal to to patent a naturally occurring virus. I am not a conspiracy theorist, so I am against the cry of 'do your own research'/AKA trust the crap I am telling you. A pointer to this would be just fine.

For all your comment of 'this is basic law' you are missing the point that you cannot patent a naturally occurring virus as its clearly 'prior art'. In your words 'it's basic law'. It's not illegal, just open to the first person to invalidate it by challenging it. A patent is not a guarantee. If you could prove that the patent on an iPad was invalid (if there is one) because it was clearly not a novel invention and a derivative of existing ideas, then you can challenge the patent. That's how it works. You may not do it because it costs money, but you can do it. Similarly if you produced your own 'ipad' and Apple tried to sue you for copying their idea and you could prove it was already an existing idea, they would lose.

As for 'would the US patent office allow an application on something already in existence, I would say probably. There have been examples in computer history where large companies have patented something that was already common knowledge. This would have been accepted because the patent office did not know any better and no one challenged it.

I am still unsure of what the point of patenting a virus is?

There have been examples of people patenting gene sequences found in plants (and maybe animals) where they argue that that gene sequence used in something else provides a 'new invention'. Whether that is correct or not is up to the courts to decide.

If I wanted to launch a virus attack on the rest of the world, I certainly wouldn't patent it.

Its all beginning to sound like a James Bond movie...... but.

You patent the virus to patent the vaccine....

Now we just need a villain for the movie and my vote is Commi Dan Andrews who was secretly born in China and had a face change. Unfortunately Dan can only drive at 80kph In Melbourne so the car chase over the westgate bridge is going to be a bit boring.

Something is afoot breezers, sensing a glitch in the matrix.
Started when I noticed there isn't much sunny or funny about PM33_version3.0. Am I the only one that sees the darkside in the code of this new update? One might suggest a trojan, virus or possibly a bot with the sole purpose of aggitating the happy new Seabreeze enforcing a HW rollback? Do we follow the white rabbit and which pill, red or blue?

Select to expand quote

scott265 said..
Its all beginning to sound like a James Bond movie......

A Bond film written for Mr Bean and scripted by Salvador Dali whilst trippin' on acid and translated from Spanish into "English" by macroscienc after a heavy afternoon of inhaling chainsaw fumes.

But making a bit less sense.

The patent issue is central to who controls research and IP for coronavirus and why the myth of a vaccine is being pushed on us. I wasn't making it an issue - you guys were! I just mentioned it on the side as part of the story and someone else here took issue with it.

If you're interested in science, you could start by explaining why so many parents are being denied justice for their children's vaccine injuries! The corruption goes to the top of US government, when in 1986 the drug companies were offered complete immunity from prosecution resulting from a spate of vaccine injuries.

Let me be clear - I am NOT an "anti-vaxxer". I am pro-healthy vaccines if they exist. If someone was to say to me that if I was against junk food because it makes one less healthy, because it's not food, does that make me anti-food? Obviously not.

Now, a rational person would wonder that if vaccines were totally safe, why did the drug companies need to plead for immunity in 1985-86?

The answer is, drug companies were going broke in the 1970's and 1980's due to being sued for their dangerous products. So they threatened that they would stop making vaccines completely! Ask yourself honestly, did you know this?

A UK doctor eloquently explains how in this historical documentary with a human angle. 1986theact.com/

If you're not inclined to watch the film, you could go straight to the first hand evidence here: www.nvic.org/
Tell mothers around the world that they don't know what caused their totally healthy child to become seriously ill, sometimes straight after vaccination.

If you're the type of person who goes to so-called "fact-checkers", who are staffed by unqualified hacks and paid spin merchants, such as Snopes(fraudulent spin merchants and felons) or Google (monopoly of information bias) to check these websites you're probably just doing that due to confirmation bias for conspiracy theories and you're not really interested in forming your own opinion based on an objective assessment of the facts. All that achieves is a confirmation that your understanding on these matters is formed by what the official narrative wants you to believe.

Remember fellow humans, I do this because I love humanity and I hold truth, justice and liberty Highly. You can go on about member profiles but all that does is expose the fact that you are afraid and unable to think for yourself. Unshackle yourself from this mentality and realise you are powerful. Your mind is powerful. Most important, open your heart and allow a space to form where pure thoughts and rational evaluation processes can take shape. Do not simply accept all the nonsense you see on television or on Facebook or from a Google search.

I can only lead a horse to water...

Select to expand quote

azymuth said..Pretentious.

Oh, labels and name calling now. That's cowardly.

I don't care what labels you throw at me.

The fact is, US big pharma has been convicted of corporate level criminal activity many times and get off with trifling fines when sued for vaccine injuries, because they are protected from direct liability by a federal law.

They fund large media corporations and political parties.

Azymuth honestly, this is not about me or your cowardly snubs. This is about a direct conflict of interest, about our children's and our health.

Look at the damage drugs like Gardasil have done. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/31/us-court-pays-6-million-gardasil-victims/

The fact is, due to the incredibly unethical US Law of 1986, drug companies can get off almost scott-free and with a slap on the wrist (private settlement). This leads to a culture where health and life are secondary to the price of doing business and they can claim no direct liability but word that as "doesn't prove injury".

Select to expand quote

kiterboy said..

sun fun said..

azimuth said..Pretentious.

Oh, labels and name calling now. That's cowardly.

I don't care what labels you throw at me.

The fact is, US big pharma has been convicted of corporate level criminal activity many times and get off with trifling fines when sued for vaccine injuries, because they are protected from direct liability by a federal law.

They fund large media corporations and political parties.

Azymuth honestly, this is not about me or your cowardly snubs. This is about a direct conflict of interest, about our children's and our health.

Look at the damage drugs like Gardasil have done. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/31/us-court-pays-6-million-gardasil-victims/

The fact is, due to the incredibly unethical US Law of 1986, drug companies can get off almost scott-free and with a slap on the wrist (private settlement). This leads to a culture where health and life are secondary to the price of doing business and they can claim no direct liability but word that as "doesn't prove injury".

Sun Fun.
You need to realise that the people arguing with you here are willfully ignorant.
It doesn't matter how many 'conspiracies' have been proven to actually be true over the decades, their first reaction to anything that challenges their limited world view is to call 'conspiracy'.

Why bother trying to convince them?
I mean, they can't even be bothered addressing irrefutable scientific evidence.

True people are arguing while I'm presenting a direction to research history. I do it because as I said, I am a lover of humanity and I can't stand the thought of anyone's children or grandchildren suffering at the hands of proven liars and criminals. Currently not a single thing I have provided links to has been challenged. Only smears and fear.

For instance, science has known of a safer DTP vaccine since it was patented in 1937, but US drug companies actively deceived the US authorities and used a cheaper, more toxic vaccine until they were exposed in the 1970's and 1980's .

Just as the tobacco and asbestos and car industries were exposed for producing lethal products for profit.

Countries like Japan and European countries did use the safer version, but the US drug companies decided to save a cent per dose to maintain their profit margin and so actively deceived the US public and authorities.

IN the early years of the US Vaccine Compensation Scheme, autism was automatically compensated as a listed injury and settled over table hearings. Later, the US Government admitted MMR and DTP vaccines cause encephalopathy in secretive settlements, but people now are so convinced by lies that They believe no link exists!

Research was done to demonstrate MMR vaccines with mercury raised the risk profile for encephalopathy which can cause autism seven to eightfold and this was covered up and the drug companies, through the CDC lied in congress about it.

Bonkers.

Now on hearing this and still deciding drug companies, (especially anything to do with the corrupt US system today have any interest whatsoever in human health), you'd have to have rocks in your head, particularly since it is a free market and the drug companies now have almost total immunity from prosecution.

Now the reason this is important now, is because we are again being sold the lie that a vaccine rushed onto the market faster than any vaccine ever before is the only way to effectively deal with Covid-19 and get our full civil liberties and lives back....
...and it's being developed under US patents on a SARS virus that could only have come from a US funded lab in communist China - because the research was deemed "unethical and questionably a biological weapon" in the US medical establishment!

I mean, Jesus, you couldn't write a more intriguing script.

I say if it sounds too good to be true it probably is not true.

Sure peeps, let them jab you with a rushed and unsafe vaccine! Go ahead. I won't go near this scam.

"Until then, Stay safe".