Select to expand quotehilly said..
Been doing 16/8 for 18 months works for me. Very sustainable change in diet with positive outcomes. Less fat on the belly and I feel really good.
I started 16/8 four weeks ago and my blood pressure fell so fast I had to stop taking medication. I finish eating 7pm and don't eat again till 11am, a 16 hour break but I do have a black coffee in the morning. It's an eating plan for life because if you stop, problems return.
Just took blood pressure ,down to 124/ 79 pulse rate 57, no tablets.
sorry in a rush
16:8=24hr period eating window is regular slot for 8 hours. yur choice when
best to not eat cloe to bed time
best to enjoy glass of your poison well b4 bed so lunch time if you want 2 multiply that..
bottom line has to suit you.
i prefr a higher fat way lower carbs food habit
i lve food ..
cheers AP
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
Yeh the morning latte Fcks me. Gotta learn to drink black coffee. I do the 16 hour fast most nights but wreck it with the damn coffee.
We've done the the 5/2 before, it works. The blood work Mosley did whilst investigating this fasting idea was fairly comprehensive and enlightening. The weight loss is just a by product really. His risk factor for the big three big killers reduced markedly after his fasting effort. He's settled on a 800 on the fasting days. Gotta be easier than the 600.
but yeh the science and the evidence on this new way of eating Makes sense really.
I've been doing long black with just a dash of milk on the home stove or out for a little while now. Not a bad way to transition off the full latte sipping (which is still delicious on occasion by the way).
Hopefully soon I'll phase the milk out too 
Select to expand quotepetermac33 said..
This is the best presentation I've yet watched on fasting.
Over an hour long.
His book or the one he co authored, The Complete Guide to Fasting, was what gave me the confidence to give it a try. I'd been considering it for over 18 months but was not convinced until I read it,
I've been fasting for seven days every second month and have gone as long as ten. I do two days a week pretty regularly although at xmas things fell apart a little.
My meditation practice definitely helped with the hunger which is just a sensation. As is eating, And all sensations pass.
The benefits have to be experienced to be believed. Astonishing increase in energy and alertness, Of course a bit of weight loss although not nearly as much as I anticipated but then I weigh the same as I did 43 years ago. You save a fair whack too which is a good thing.
I have to say that I was astonished by the amount of crap. literally. which was coming out of me seven days into my first fast. On day seven I did a massive turd, which after not eating for seven days, had me wondering what goes on in my gut. I've found now that farting on day three and four is extremely risky and like Cisco the smell can be quite overpowering,
The biggest lesson I have learned about it is the fact that the dietary advice we are given by the government agencies and mainstream medicine is pretty suss.
When I first started I was talking to a great big fat bloke about it and he assured me that what I was doing was dangerous. I had the decency to keep quiet with regard to his obesity!
Select to expand quotejapie said..petermac33 said..
This is the best presentation I've yet watched on fasting.
Over an hour long.
His book or the one he co authored, The Complete Guide to Fasting, was what gave me the confidence to give it a try. I'd been considering it for over 18 months but was not convinced until I read it,
I've been fasting for seven days every second month and have gone as long as ten. I do two days a week pretty regularly although at xmas things fell apart a little.
My meditation practice definitely helped with the hunger which is just a sensation. As is eating, And all sensations pass.
The benefits have to be experienced to be believed. Astonishing increase in energy and alertness, Of course a bit of weight loss although not nearly as much as I anticipated but then I weigh the same as I did 43 years ago. You save a fair whack too which is a good thing.
I have to say that I was astonished by the amount of crap. literally. which was coming out of me seven days into my first fast. On day seven I did a massive turd, which after not eating for seven days, had me wondering what goes on in my gut. I've found now that farting on day three and four is extremely risky and like Cisco the smell can be quite overpowering,
The biggest lesson I have learned about it is the fact that the dietary advice we are given by the government agencies and mainstream medicine is pretty suss.
When I first started I was talking to a great big fat bloke about it and he assured me that what I was doing was dangerous. I had the decency to keep quiet with regard to his obesity!
Well done.. Depending on how fed you were b4 7 day fast... Can be down to just bile.... I would recommend taking some form of soluble fibre in drink..
JIC .. The human body has two main food processing cycles to end up with glycogen and glutamine.. Cell fuel...
The main one now in a world of 100% food supply follows break down of carbs and proteins to a lesser extent fats via insulin.
The excess is converted by liver into various types of lipids (fats) as they are a fantastic way to store fuel...
Evolution ary wise humans often had lean low food periods.. This is when the second process kicked in.. Turn stored energy into cell fuel by accessing stored fats..
When you go on a fast you need a fair few days to transition from insulin to ketogenic.. Not sure there's a general rule but likely 5+ days.. There is alot of glycogen stored in muscles... It depends on oxygen delivery whether it is oxidised or runs anoxic?? Not really but reducing cycle( lactic acid by product)..
There is usually weeks and weeks of fat energy. To burn... For those still dialled in the kids who have eating disorder.. So anorexia when someone gets into body tissue being recycled to stay alive.. Not repeat not in the normal bell curve of dieting..
So if you want to address fat burn for a short term water fast.. Have a session or 2 reviewing keto diet as this sets you up to be in the alternate energy cycle biochemically before a fast.. But arm yourself with knowledge...
Still dialed in... Ketogenic diets have been around medically since 1920's used for controlling epileptic siezures.. Been in and out of favor since.. By 1970's understanding of process way improved.. Some native food cuisine was at times triggering ketones.. Think coconut milk...
Today really easy to balance.. I use MCTs from suppliment shop .. Que????
Well google.. Used by endurance atheletes as a non- sugar based quick but also energy rich fuel... Or in diets for keto... Etc
Not all fats are bad.. Your body is good at detecting when satiated (full) with proteins and fats.. Not so much with carbs... Most eating competitions centre around carbs because of this!!!!
PM if you want a link or 2 to review...
Cheers
AP
My biggest bug bear .. Decent flavoured beers are not low carb.. But thats the fun(
) of the 5:2 approach to calorie restriction..
You have to be a little careful with coconut milk.
When I was living in Fiji I juiced two coconuts and made a full schooner glass of the most delectable treat.
And drank the lot.
Went to fart the following morning.
Big mistake!
Also two years back I was using far too much LCT oil and developed high blood pressure.
Which dropped rapidly when I stopped using it.
Fruit is my main intake now and I've grown very fond of it.
Select to expand quotejapie said..
You have to be a little careful with coconut milk.
When I was living in Fiji I juiced two coconuts and made a full schooner glass of the most delectable treat.
And drank the lot.
Went to fart the following morning.
Big mistake!
Also two years back I was using far too much LCT oil and developed high blood pressure.
Which dropped rapidly when I stopped using it.
Fruit is my main intake now and I've grown very fond of it.
too right. doesnt matter what u eat too loose weight u have to have a negatve energy balance..
just super impressed with a diy 7day fast straight outof the blocks massive kudos 2u
cheers AP
addendum... wow &glad u nailed it
Select to expand quoteAquaPlow said..japie said..
You have to be a little careful with coconut milk.
When I was living in Fiji I juiced two coconuts and made a full schooner glass of the most delectable treat.
And drank the lot.
Went to fart the following morning.
Big mistake!
Also two years back I was using far too much LCT oil and developed high blood pressure.
Which dropped rapidly when I stopped using it.
Fruit is my main intake now and I've grown very fond of it.
too right. doesnt matter what u eat too loose weight u have to have a negatve energy balance..
just super impressed with a diy 7day fast straight outof the blocks massive kudos 2u
cheers AP
addendum... wow &glad u nailed it
It does matter what you eat. All calories are not equal. If you eat 400 calories in fruit or eat a 400 calorie donut I'll tell you who will digest and utilise the calories efficiently. It's not rocket science, it's simple, real food that grows out of the ground vs processed food will have totally different effects on the body because its all about blood sugar and good nutrition.
Select to expand quoterockmagnet said..AquaPlow said..japie said..
You have to be a little careful with coconut milk.
When I was living in Fiji I juiced two coconuts and made a full schooner glass of the most delectable treat.
And drank the lot.
Went to fart the following morning.
Big mistake!
Also two years back I was using far too much LCT oil and developed high blood pressure.
Which dropped rapidly when I stopped using it.
Fruit is my main intake now and I've grown very fond of it.
too right. doesnt matter what u eat too loose weight u have to have a negatve energy balance..
just super impressed with a diy 7day fast straight outof the blocks massive kudos 2u
cheers AP
addendum... wow &glad u nailed it
It does matter what you eat. All calories are not equal. If you eat 400 calories in fruit or eat a 400 calorie donut I'll tell you who will digest and utilise the calories efficiently. It's not rocket science, it's simple, real food that grows out of the ground vs processed food will have totally different effects on the body because its all about blood sugar and good nutrition.
What was that WW2 mantra.. "Loose talk costs lives"...
So. 100% agree..
But on point.. If I choose to only eat 700 calorie donut 1 per day for 7 days with water and if sweaty place mineral salts at 0 calories.. I would be in energy deficit .. Replacing missing calories for metabolic stability from in body store (have a few stores stashed on my body!!
) was point I was making..
Totally not best body cuisine for simple health equation.. IMCase. Cortisols would be down.
Sugar is a total bugger.. It triggers the same reward responses inthe brain as alot of addictive drugs..we call it dessert
Just watch a video of baby or kid first time on icecream.. Astonishing.. Alien item in realistic terms compared to experience.. But unlike vegtibales love at first taste..
Unfortunately 50% + of sugar is a plant energy compound = fructose.. Not well processed by humans.. Luckily in balanced diet man made sugar is mostly used by the plants ( bacteria) in your gut..
XS as you rightly point out .. Is recipe for poor health...
Cheers
AP
Select to expand quotejapie said..petermac33 said..
This is the best presentation I've yet watched on fasting.
Over an hour long.
His book or the one he co authored, The Complete Guide to Fasting, was what gave me the confidence to give it a try. I'd been considering it for over 18 months but was not convinced until I read it,
I've been fasting for seven days every second month and have gone as long as ten. I do two days a week pretty regularly although at xmas things fell apart a little.
My meditation practice definitely helped with the hunger which is just a sensation. As is eating, And all sensations pass.
The benefits have to be experienced to be believed. Astonishing increase in energy and alertness, Of course a bit of weight loss although not nearly as much as I anticipated but then I weigh the same as I did 43 years ago. You save a fair whack too which is a good thing.
I have to say that I was astonished by the amount of crap. literally. which was coming out of me seven days into my first fast. On day seven I did a massive turd, which after not eating for seven days, had me wondering what goes on in my gut. I've found now that farting on day three and four is extremely risky and like Cisco the smell can be quite overpowering,
The biggest lesson I have learned about it is the fact that the dietary advice we are given by the government agencies and mainstream medicine is pretty suss.
When I first started I was talking to a great big fat bloke about it and he assured me that what I was doing was dangerous. I had the decency to keep quiet with regard to his obesity!
Yeah I got the link to his book from another thread here. Read it over the Christmas break and made my New Years resolution to give it a go.
6 months of a frozen shoulder and work preventing much exercise and being Pavlov's Labrador when it came to eating times in the day I've packed on 5kgs and 7cms circumference
Only into the second week of 5/2 and finding it fairly easy to stick to its more about ignoring the hunger and distracting yourself. Stay away from the lunch room and smells of toasted sanga's
Eating dinner early then going for a walk seems to work well.
Lost a couple of kegs probably water as circumference not much changed
Just good to have a plan though rather than looking at t-shirts getting tighter around my gut and thinking you bat fastard
Select to expand quoteGWatto said..japie said..petermac33 said..
This is the best presentation I've yet watched on fasting.
Over an hour long.
His book or the one he co authored, The Complete Guide to Fasting, was what gave me the confidence to give it a try. I'd been considering it for over 18 months but was not convinced until I read it,
I've been fasting for seven days every second month and have gone as long as ten. I do two days a week pretty regularly although at xmas things fell apart a little.
My meditation practice definitely helped with the hunger which is just a sensation. As is eating, And all sensations pass.
The benefits have to be experienced to be believed. Astonishing increase in energy and alertness, Of course a bit of weight loss although not nearly as much as I anticipated but then I weigh the same as I did 43 years ago. You save a fair whack too which is a good thing.
I have to say that I was astonished by the amount of crap. literally. which was coming out of me seven days into my first fast. On day seven I did a massive turd, which after not eating for seven days, had me wondering what goes on in my gut. I've found now that farting on day three and four is extremely risky and like Cisco the smell can be quite overpowering,
The biggest lesson I have learned about it is the fact that the dietary advice we are given by the government agencies and mainstream medicine is pretty suss.
When I first started I was talking to a great big fat bloke about it and he assured me that what I was doing was dangerous. I had the decency to keep quiet with regard to his obesity!
Yeah I got the link to his book from another thread here. Read it over the Christmas break and made my New Years resolution to give it a go.
6 months of a frozen shoulder and work preventing much exercise and being Pavlov's Labrador when it came to eating times in the day I've packed on 5kgs and 7cms circumference
Only into the second week of 5/2 and finding it fairly easy to stick to its more about ignoring the hunger and distracting yourself. Stay away from the lunch room and smells of toasted sanga's
Eating dinner early then going for a walk seems to work well.
Lost a couple of kegs probably water as circumference not much changed
Just good to have a plan though rather than looking at t-shirts getting tighter around my gut and thinking you bat fastard 4 using mind .. once repair fuction kicks in... suggest phsio at least once.. kick frozen shoulder off.. meeh to weight thats a given once mind is incharge...
wish u well .. gun it + patience...
cheers AP
Select to expand quoteAquaPlow said..GWatto said..japie said..petermac33 said..
This is the best presentation I've yet watched on fasting.
Over an hour long.
His book or the one he co authored, The Complete Guide to Fasting, was what gave me the confidence to give it a try. I'd been considering it for over 18 months but was not convinced until I read it,
I've been fasting for seven days every second month and have gone as long as ten. I do two days a week pretty regularly although at xmas things fell apart a little.
My meditation practice definitely helped with the hunger which is just a sensation. As is eating, And all sensations pass.
The benefits have to be experienced to be believed. Astonishing increase in energy and alertness, Of course a bit of weight loss although not nearly as much as I anticipated but then I weigh the same as I did 43 years ago. You save a fair whack too which is a good thing.
I have to say that I was astonished by the amount of crap. literally. which was coming out of me seven days into my first fast. On day seven I did a massive turd, which after not eating for seven days, had me wondering what goes on in my gut. I've found now that farting on day three and four is extremely risky and like Cisco the smell can be quite overpowering,
The biggest lesson I have learned about it is the fact that the dietary advice we are given by the government agencies and mainstream medicine is pretty suss.
When I first started I was talking to a great big fat bloke about it and he assured me that what I was doing was dangerous. I had the decency to keep quiet with regard to his obesity!
Yeah I got the link to his book from another thread here. Read it over the Christmas break and made my New Years resolution to give it a go.
6 months of a frozen shoulder and work preventing much exercise and being Pavlov's Labrador when it came to eating times in the day I've packed on 5kgs and 7cms circumference
Only into the second week of 5/2 and finding it fairly easy to stick to its more about ignoring the hunger and distracting yourself. Stay away from the lunch room and smells of toasted sanga's
Eating dinner early then going for a walk seems to work well.
Lost a couple of kegs probably water as circumference not much changed
Just good to have a plan though rather than looking at t-shirts getting tighter around my gut and thinking you bat fastard 4 using mind .. once repair fuction kicks in... suggest phsio at least once.. kick frozen shoulder off.. meeh to weight thats a given once mind is incharge...
wish u well .. gun it + patience...
cheers AP
Cheers AP
Yeah 3 cortisone "hydro" jabs needed to kick off the unfreeze process for the shoulder, getting better all the time at least I can now paddle for a wave without excruciating pain??
I tried on Saturday to go the whole day without food and I failed.
At midnight I succumbed to eating five pitted prunes, a passionfruit, one plum and a cup of tea with honey.
I still lost one and a half kilos when I weighed myself on Sunday morning.
Every Saturday is fasting day from now on.
I read years ago football clubs in the EPL can be sued if they recommend any more than two cortisone injections in an entire players career - such is the concern for the long term effects.
peter
As I used the original moseley 5:2 stated in a a 7 day period any 2 days so Monday & Tuesday or Thursday Or Saturday or any option you choose restrict to 700 calories if male and 600 calories if female..
subsequent anecdotal comments indicated some loosening of those figures definitely under 1000
so if u stayed under the calorie total it is not a fail....
to eat a lot but stay low go with vegtables .. try lunch of steamed corn rolled ina salt tumeric flavouring..
one key thing is low or zero calorie sweetners .. mostly identical chemically to standard sugars except part of the bond structure is angled differently. humans have a digestion based on breaking down the main stream food .. think of this like having a twist in your front door key.. it will not work.. these sugars with opposit rotation go straight thru and have zeero energy but give you the flavour..
hope what ever u are trying works for u...
cheers AP
ps .. sad to hear your attitude on cortisone when used for medical benefits..
long term use can cause a dependancy issue... as makes thyroid lazy.. your body produces them your wholel life u depend on it
Survived till 8 pm without food then fark it. Bowl of home made veggie soup, some prunes and a cup of tea with honey.
Might abandon this no eating every Saturday. Just too hard. Anyway,the corona virus and or the vaccine is going to get me anyway.
