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I'm a bloke approaching 50 and live near the beach. I'm constantly seeing kids walking around with bits hanging out where they shouldn't in the main street here, train, as well as the beach itself and I find it really uncomfortable. Fair dinkum the only place that's safe to look is the sky.
If you read the article it refers to girls wearing skimpy stuff that probably causes giblets to hang out and I reckon she is spot on. Just coulda said it better.
Just get some mirrored sunnies.
Problem solved 
Dude these kids are just that. Kids! 
Oh, my mistake.
You sounded like an old person calling anyone who's younger than them by 5 years, a kid.
Get the sunnies for the older 'kids'
Well that's the first time I've ever been called old 
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My niece who's in her late 20's says there are 26 different sexes, her and her boyfriend identify as Binary. I have no idea what that means so I looked it up in Wikipedia, I still don't understand but please don't bother explaining.
Also she says there is no him or her, he or she etc as everyone is a they, she gets annoyed if you don't refer to people as they. So if I was to say Lotofwind, he is funny that'd be a big no no, I should say Lotofwind, they is funny, I think that's funny.
Oops I realise I made a mistake above, I should have said, they and they theyfriend identify as Binary, or is it they and theyfriend 
I think they (I mean the collective younger generation, not the individual person) are just trying to mess with the older generations heads.
The way I see it, if an individual wants to be referred to as they, it suggests they may have multiple personalities rather than their sexual preference.
Or is it just that age old question. Who am I (they)? Why am I (they) here? What is my (they) purpose in life? Are we (they) living in a Matrix? Is there a God? Is god a he or she? What if god has no preference?
You see what they've done!
I'm so confused!
Imagine being an English teacher right now!
Identifying as something other than what you physically are, is a form of mental illness.
I don't mean that in a derogatory way either.
There is something going awry with the synapses or brain chemistry. There has to be.
Why should this be seen to be normal?
Where does the drive to change yourself from what you were born like, to something else, come from?
Where does your physiological identity come from? Your brain.
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Where does your physiological identity come from? Your brain.
But the brain tells lies! You can't trust it, just look at the experiments with fake hands.
You're not necessarily what the brain tells you you are.
The brain is just biology. Identity come from repetitive thoughts (set in a particular and individual framework ) that are eventually believed in. The brain has nothing to do with it.
Where do thoughts come from ? Well that's the mystery isn't it but a thought is just a fleeting form of energy that takes form for a very short period of time.
That's why you can watch your thoughts. Then you ask what is watching them. Now that's the number one mystery.
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That's why you can watch your thoughts. Then you ask what is watching them.
Lucid dreams?
Had any ?
if you are smart you could even take control of this action movie of yours...(
even bent some PC rules ,once nobody is watching (till obviously time when somebody could punish you for illegal thought) )
Lucid dreams , I used to be able to do it a couple times a week , there are techniques, I was getting good at it . So much fun . Rarely now , but I still try 
. When you experience , when you know when your dreaming , it changes the way you think bout reality in many ways .
The thing about dreaming is that it is 100% real when dreaming .We could be dreaming now , ( my wife tells me all the time ) . Maybe when we die we finally wake up ?
I can be entertaining , late , around a camp fire 
. At least it makes others feel less strange . I'll take that for the team
In answer to the question posed in the thread heading I say yes.
It is a question that only requires a yes or no answer so I fail to see the point of the discussion crapola that has gone on in this thread.
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Lucid dreams , I used to be able to do it a couple times a week , there are techniques, I was getting good at it . So much fun . Rarely now , but I still try . When you experience , when you know when your dreaming , it changes the way you think bout reality in many ways .
The thing about dreaming is that it is 100% real when dreaming .We could be dreaming now , ( my wife tells me all the time ) . Maybe when we die we finally wake up ?
I can be entertaining , late , around a camp fire . At least it makes others feel less strange . I'll take that for the team
It is really fun , indeed , once you learned to exploit lucid dreams. But sometimes even lucid could become such entangled , like a matrix itself that I keep asking myself if that is real or fiction, Because in real world you pay real price for what in the dream comes free.
You could navigate suddenly your dream in direction required, once you realized that in only fiction.
I still wish to realize that our whole world is also computer simulation, one day.
Because every computer simulation can be hacked, exploited, but in real life is not mercy and no shortcuts.
For example our famous iron hero Elon could be one of those hackers, because amount of lucky circumstances around him exceed typical randomness, stochastically impossible just happen to him.
Lucid dreams. Great example of why we are not the brain. The brain allows us to process all the sensory information, sight, sound, smell, touch etc. primary data is then processed through the brains software architecture and certain outputs are given - hence the matrix reference above.
So is that lucid dream any less real than when you are in the so called waking state? I would say no.
in the waking state so called object of form are just more focused and precise. The software program is just less fluid, has more concrete criteria for the brains constructed time and space frameworks.
But there are still differences even within the waking state between different brains. There are 7 billion or so different versions of so called reality. But we make crude archetypes so we can talk to each other about it
but what is aware or watching or conscious or fill in the blank when you are lucid dreaming? Or in the waking state for that matter.
ask yourself has anyone ever actually seen, touched, smelt etc this so called "matter" we say builds the universe outside the witnessing knowing of it. This so called matter can get extremely fluid when dreaming. But even when you are so called dreaming there is something that is conscious of it. What's that then ? How far back can you go?
and If you keep going back what is aware or knows that ?
physicists (our true explorers) keep tracking further and further back, and the further they go down the Alice in wonderland hole, the less the world seems like the gross reality our brains say is so called reality. Pre existing models of reality just keep getting smashed to juvenile pieces of useless poo.
Is this because wherever they go and whatever they observe is being noticed by something more fundamental?
hows that for more crapola? lol.
Nice crapola,
The problem with going so deep is it becomes useless . We are stuck in the so called awake state and if you worry about it , it can make you sad or mad. I accept this , so I just have some fun with it . It is more than just knowing that your dreaming and controlling where you go with it , all the senses like , feel , smell ,temp , colours are stronger than when awake . Kinda more real than real . Sadly it doesnt last longer than a few minutes .
Astral travel is similar but different. That's a bit more scary . I think they are connected .
And if your wondering , totally straight
Adding yet more to the crapola list .
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Lucid dreams. Great example of why we are not the brain. The brain allows us to process all the sensory information, sight, sound, smell, touch etc. primary data is then processed through the brains software architecture and certain outputs are given - hence the matrix reference above.
So is that lucid dream any less real than when you are in the so called waking state? I would say no.
in the waking state so called object of form are just more focused and precise. The software program is just less fluid, has more concrete criteria for the brains constructed time and space frameworks.
But there are still differences even within the waking state between different brains. There are 7 billion or so different versions of so called reality. But we make crude archetypes so we can talk to each other about it
but what is aware or watching or conscious or fill in the blank when you are lucid dreaming? Or in the waking state for that matter.
ask yourself has anyone ever actually seen, touched, smelt etc this so called "matter" we say builds the universe outside the witnessing knowing of it. This so called matter can get extremely fluid when dreaming. But even when you are so called dreaming there is something that is conscious of it. What's that then ? How far back can you go?
and If you keep going back what is aware or knows that ?
physicists (our true explorers) keep tracking further and further back, and the further they go down the Alice in wonderland hole, the less the world seems like the gross reality our brains say is so called reality. Pre existing models of reality just keep getting smashed to juvenile pieces of useless poo.
Is this because wherever they go and whatever they observe is being noticed by something more fundamental?
hows that for more crapola? lol.
We could now develop concept of 'lucid dream" into concept of " lucid live" .This concept that I do try for some time to test already , allow me to keep some distance to actual reality. Give the the status of neutral observer of reality, rather then active participant.
To look at suspicion on everything is going around ( "spontaneously") .
Realizing that any effort of yours has limitations by outside mechanism, ( random vs stochastic preprograming).
Na?ve and religious will call this faith ( God) that rule the world.
But that is only derived by simple observation of going processes over thousands of years. Deniers ( straight atheist) try to explain everything that is happening in some sort of logical and comprehensive manner. Then they fail. Because event do happen not like suppose or where predicted to happen. In lay down translation "lucid live " concept could be observed and experimentally tested by everybody. In the near future everybody could ask themselves:
" I am attempt to do this and this.
How the success/ outcome now depend on me vs unpredictable vs." matrix influence"
IMO experiment is a key, Everybody can look at the live around with suspicion and ask why is this happening.
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Nice crapola,
The problem with going so deep is it becomes useless . We are stuck in the so called awake state and if you worry about it , it can make you sad or mad. I accept this , so I just have some fun with it . It is more than just knowing that your dreaming and controlling where you go with it , all the senses like , feel , smell ,temp , colours are stronger than when awake . Kinda more real than real . Sadly it doesnt last longer than a few minutes .
Astral travel is similar but different. That's a bit more scary . I think they are connected .
And if your wondering , totally straight
Adding yet more to the crapola list .
I love experiments. Any concept or theory is completely useless unless you could provide experiment to confirm or deny it.
To test my concept of "lucid life" we could extend concept and assume that is not different to " lucid dream".
The point/ goal is to find the glitch in the system.
In order hack it, we need to find correlation and rules that govern this external programming.
Observation could lead to the spotting the weakness - if there is any.
Pattern.
Spotting the pattern that go outside " superstitious thinking" .
But finding real relationships between events uncorrelated.
Unfortunately everybody has only very limited time for the search and execute. Then life time experience can not be repeated or transferred.
Beginners lucid life observers could start experiment with simple question:
If everything happening to them could be explained in rational and logical manner ?
Ok then, here's a Couple of places to make you question the nature of reality...
www.reddit.com/r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/
www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/
Don't get too scared.
I'm not into conspiracy theories nor do I own a tin hat , I just enjoy playing with my sleep sequence . I have no real idea what happens when I do this but I'm sure it's just in my head . Things do get strange I must admit . I'm sure im not in a matrix .
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There are 7 billion or so different versions of so called reality.
I love this part...I totally agree but...
... indeed physicists scientists claim that reality doesn't exist without observer.
nothing exist until was spotted/ observed...the problem is nobody so far defined what observation and observer may be/ is.It can't be us, because world did, is and will exist well without humans. So must be somebody/something else that keep observing ( executing the program? ) .Another contradiction we have is such that everything we do observe doesn't exist anymore. Astronomers looking at distant galaxies - see only old memory of objects that existed billions years ago.
Well the light that has finnally got here from distant galaxies is observed. At that particular moment "light", as our crude language convention describes, is present. But the mind infers we are looking at the past. The only true reality at that point is the observed light.
lucid live or lucid dreaming are not different at their fundamental core. Just ask so called crazy people what they observe and interpret in the waking state. What they believe.
Lucid live and lucid dreaming share one and only one fundamental truth. That something is conscious (is aware) of whatever is unfolding. The mind then interprets this aware knowing through whatever parameters that particular indivduals architecture in their mind.
But the varying individual software programme is overall entirely irrelevant because all 7 billion or so programmes all share this fundamental ability to be conscious, to observe. This observational ability illuminates the varying play of form, whether being so called awake or dreaming.
But scientists are missing (although some are starting to look as physics has but stalled to a grinding stop for many decades) a key point. They assume matter is reality and consciousness is a by product of matter being complicated enough to then generate consciousness.
but what if this fundamental consciousness is reality itself. And rest, including the mind, is just a modulation within this infinite field of potentiality.
this seems to support direct experience better than the matter model. Which is purely theoretical in the end. It also may explain how fricken weirder it gets the more subatomic you go.
if you are reading this in your room right now the ONLY thing you can be 100 Percent certain of is you are aware or conscious. The rest is highly debatable depending on what programme you have made up and are running. The rest is just a dance of crazy assumptions and interpretations.
alice in wonderland was far more than a fictional story of some chick falling in a hole and meeting some crazy creatures. The dude had a genius mind and was trying to convey what we are talking about now.
more crapola indeed.
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but what if this fundamental consciousness is reality itself. And rest, including the mind, is just a modulation within this infinite field of potentiality.
this is getting interesting.
We obviously assume ourselves as consensus creatures. But if we look around , our dog also live a happy life...
fly enjoy flying as we surfing...nobody could deny fly is observing the worlds too
then we could go smaller and smaller.
Under microscope you could see protozoan happily floating and chasing food or themselves.
So even those smallest creatures have some sort of conscious life.
So the question is : how far in microscopic scale we could assume this observing is going on ? We could probably that single molecule is also sitting somewhere and just waiting for opportunity to chemically copulate with another molecule passing by.We may not be absolutely sure what sort ( if any) conscious satisfaction this molecule have, but on this quantum level - energy waves are created and dispersedso role as observer could be allocated down up to the lowest possible levels.
What about going up in size?
Could planet be conscious? Happy with creatures living processes ? Can earth enjoy happy belly, wave of solar radiation, pain of nucler blast ?
Talking of big , possibly the universe is one giant brain .
or ,
Possibly only my mind exists , you and everything else is only in my imagination.
Possibly I'm singularity.
Mini crapola , ( rabbit poo size ).
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alice in wonderland was far more than a fictional story of some chick falling in a hole and meeting some crazy creatures. The dude had a genius mind and was trying to convey what we are talking about now.
That genius dude was probably on drugs , ( magic mushrooms or acid comes to mind ). Most creative minds were on something . It was rife in the olden days . Classic composers were the wild child's in the day . It was controversial and shocking back then . It's quality rock played with antique instruments .
