On NZ news today its been 66 years since first accent by Ed Hillary!!!
Comments that he wouldn't be happy with today's situation without enough trained guides and limit number of climbers.
The amount of training would still be hugh but its seems like its not core climbers but more well off high achievers 
Me and my mate climbed mt Bruce with a box of chooks each last year. Set off in the dark to get the sunrise. both maggoted before dawn, got lost and I dropped my phone somewhere along the way
Busted a plugga on the stumble back and ended up with a face full of spinifex.
Mountain climbing is way hard.
I just watched the movie Free Solo that had Alex Honnold be the first person to free solo climb El Capitan, a 900m granite cliff face in 2017. This climb makes Everest look like a walk up a hill, any mistake or in his words lack of perfection was death. Goes to show that insane first are still out there.
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There are some seriously naive and ill-informed statements in here and as usual Loggie is right up there with the front runners.
You need to train hard for a year and spent 40 days on the mountain acclimatizing before you attempt to climb it.
About 800 people per year attempt Everest and about 9 die.
People attempt it for the same reason you'd run an ultra marathon or solo-sail around the world - its just harder and more dangerous.
Only an insipid envious low achiever would scoff at people who push themselves to their limits in whatever their goals were.
Some pretty naive comments about the Sherpas in here too btw.....
as usual you misunderstand. I'm not saying it's not difficult, or dangerous, or that it takes ages to train for it ect. but what I am saying is an exercise in egotism and ultimately, a bit pointless. Btw, I'm all for "pushing yourself to your limits", but there are different limits other than exhaustion, lack of oxygen, starvation etc. Personally I group the people who have to climb Mt Everest with those people who run 300 marathons in 300 days or the people who hop around the world backwards.
Select to expand quotelog man said..Main said..
There are some seriously naive and ill-informed statements in here and as usual Loggie is right up there with the front runners.
You need to train hard for a year and spent 40 days on the mountain acclimatizing before you attempt to climb it.
About 800 people per year attempt Everest and about 9 die.
People attempt it for the same reason you'd run an ultra marathon or solo-sail around the world - its just harder and more dangerous.
Only an insipid envious low achiever would scoff at people who push themselves to their limits in whatever their goals were.
Some pretty naive comments about the Sherpas in here too btw.....
as usual you misunderstand. I'm not saying it's not difficult, or dangerous, or that it takes ages to train for it ect. but what I am saying is an exercise in egotism and ultimately, a bit pointless. Btw, I'm all for "pushing yourself to your limits", but there are different limits other than exhaustion, lack of oxygen, starvation etc. Personally I group the people who have to climb Mt Everest with those people who run 300 marathons in 300 days or the people who hop around the world backwards.
I hopped around the world backwards twice, once on each leg, no one ever asked what I was doing, no socials, no queues either as far as I could see
wait til they get rebreathers working up there, it'll get worse until they figure out they need one fixed rope up and another one (Zip style?) down
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..Main said..
There are some seriously naive and ill-informed statements in here and as usual Loggie is right up there with the front runners.
You need to train hard for a year and spent 40 days on the mountain acclimatizing before you attempt to climb it.
About 800 people per year attempt Everest and about 9 die.
People attempt it for the same reason you'd run an ultra marathon or solo-sail around the world - its just harder and more dangerous.
Only an insipid envious low achiever would scoff at people who push themselves to their limits in whatever their goals were.
Some pretty naive comments about the Sherpas in here too btw.....
So, enlighten us! Its no use saying that the comments are naive without correcting that.
Its easy to sit back and say people are wrong, but its always good to find out why.
Ive been planning a trek to base camp for some time. Im still struggling with the flight into Lukla airport which some friends didn't even realise was so dangerous until they got in the plane.
For me the climb would be too hard - I know because I've researched it a thoroughly. Below is a quick example of what your in for....
www.mounteverest.net/expguide/route.htm
K2 is a technically harder climb. But that's like saying to a newbie surfer that Jaws is easier to surf that Shipsterns....
Nepal is a very poor country and heavily dependent on tourism. Tourism revolves around trekking and climbing.
We did the Annapurna circuit some years ago. None of it is all that hard if you take it slowly. You need to take it slowly to acclimatise properly. We had people blast past us only to return with altitude sickness the next day.
I've done 8 trips to the Indian Himalayas (2008, 2012-2018). It's all pretty cruisey if you do it right. It can be a disaster if you do it wrong.
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Ive been planning a trek to base camp for some time. Im still struggling with the flight into Lukla airport which some friends didn't even realise was so dangerous until they got in the plane.
For me the climb would be too hard - I know because I've researched it a thoroughly. Below is a quick example of what your in for....
www.mounteverest.net/expguide/route.htm
K2 is a technically harder climb. But that's like saying to a newbie surfer that Jaws is easier to surf that Shipsterns....
Nepal is a very poor country and heavily dependent on tourism. Tourism revolves around trekking and climbing.
You can avoid the flight to Lukla, there's a few options to bus to Jiri, Salerno or Shivalaya (trying to remember their names) and trek up to Lukla. It does add several more days though but speaking to guys up there who added that section in they said it was great for acclimatisation and a much quieter start to the trek.
how about a day trip in a helicopter to near the summit, watch all the suckers and take a selfy then back for an afternoon beer.
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how about a day trip in a helicopter to near the summit, watch all the suckers and take a selfy then back for an afternoon beer.
I think that's a mission in itself. I think there have been cases where they can't get that high to rescue people.
They probably got a day spa up there now .
The other side they don't show has a chair lift.
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We did the Annapurna circuit some years ago. None of it is all that hard if you take it slowly. You need to take it slowly to acclimatise properly. We had people blast past us only to return with altitude sickness the next day.
I've done 8 trips to the Indian Himalayas (2008, 2012-2018). It's all pretty cruisey if you do it right. It can be a disaster if you do it wrong.
The Indian himalaya trek actually interests me quite a lot a few people I know have done it and thoroughly enjoyed it , the culture the view and the peace and quiet
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They probably got a day spa up there now .
The other side they don't show has a chair lift.
Hell of a way to cross the border into China...
Some of the articles I was reading were saying that some mountain climbers were now going to go from the China side as China limits the number of climbers to a manageable level.
Select to expand quoteChris6791 said..Main said..
Ive been planning a trek to base camp for some time. Im still struggling with the flight into Lukla airport which some friends didn't even realise was so dangerous until they got in the plane.
For me the climb would be too hard - I know because I've researched it a thoroughly. Below is a quick example of what your in for....
www.mounteverest.net/expguide/route.htm
K2 is a technically harder climb. But that's like saying to a newbie surfer that Jaws is easier to surf that Shipsterns....
Nepal is a very poor country and heavily dependent on tourism. Tourism revolves around trekking and climbing.
You can avoid the flight to Lukla, there's a few options to bus to Jiri, Salerno or Shivalaya (trying to remember their names) and trek up to Lukla. It does add several more days though but speaking to guys up there who added that section in they said it was great for acclimatisation and a much quieter start to the trek.
Thanks will check that out. Just cant bring myself to get onto that flight.
Ive had a few aborted landings in planes that have freaked me out and theres no flybys at Lukla.....
Select to expand quoteRazzonater said..Gorgo said..
We did the Annapurna circuit some years ago. None of it is all that hard if you take it slowly. You need to take it slowly to acclimatise properly. We had people blast past us only to return with altitude sickness the next day.
I've done 8 trips to the Indian Himalayas (2008, 2012-2018). It's all pretty cruisey if you do it right. It can be a disaster if you do it wrong.
The Indian himalaya trek actually interests me quite a lot a few people I know have done it and thoroughly enjoyed it , the culture the view and the peace and quiet
My kid did it when he was at boarding school in Dehradun.
He and some teammates had to leave halfway through the trek to go play a cricket game back at the school and he reckons the bus trip back out was terrifying.
They camped in the mountains and walked the trails for 5 days - he said it was amazing... He lost about 10% of his bodyweight.
Bus rides in Nepal are so bad compared to anything I've ever experienced. Did a couple only a month back. Nearly 8 horrible hours to travel 150km.
The flights are fun though, even into Lukla.
Yeah - Ill risk the bus even though its probably statistically more dangerous...
You could always bus to the Jiri, trek and then fly out of Lukla. Statistically they have more fatal crashes at Lukla on landing than they do on taking off
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With Mt Everest being in the news a bit because of the number of people climbing there, is it that much of an achievement?
Do people care about this anymore?
If you knew someone that climbed Everest with or without oxygen would you really care?
For me, its interesting to hear about the journey, but other than requiring a fair bit of training, it sounds like actually getting to the top is a bit hit and miss, and very much depending on whether you have lucky weather and oxygen.
Has anyone here climbed it?
What is it that people want out of this sort of thing? Something to talk about? Something to make them special amongst their friends?
I just don't understand it.
I think it has to do with your goals and dreams in life. Like I love the ocean and being on boats. I want to sail "solo nonstop and unassisted around Australia" and the world.
If if you don't have the dream or goal what's the point of busting your ass in 10-15metre seas in discomfort away from your family for months on end? It is about self satisfaction. Having a goal and acting upon it. I am going to start preparing for my Australia trip right now. If I don't start I with never finish.
Thats just my person opionion
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I think it has to do with your goals and dreams in life. Like I love the ocean and being on boats. I want to sail "solo nonstop and unassisted around Australia" and the world.
I always wanted a big bowl of chocolate ice cream. Guess I'm lucky my life dream is fulfilled on a regular basis. I might try wearing my thermal underwear, ski goggles, dip my toes in a bucket of ice and breathe through a snorkel the next time we buy a litre of Sara Lea Ultra Choc to find out what this Everest thing is all about.
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I think it has to do with your goals and dreams in life. Like I love the ocean and being on boats. I want to sail "solo nonstop and unassisted around Australia" and the world.
I always wanted a big bowl of chocolate ice cream. Guess I'm lucky my life dream is fulfilled on a regular basis. I might try wearing my thermal underwear, ski goggles, dip my toes in a bucket of ice and breathe through a snorkel the next time we buy a litre of Sara Lea Ultra Choc to find out what this Everest thing is all about.
.....Was waiting for some Harrow wisdom....... Not disappointed.
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Me and my mate climbed mt Bruce with a box of chooks each last year. Set off in the dark to get the sunrise. both maggoted before dawn, got lost and I dropped my phone somewhere along the way
Busted a plugga on the stumble back and ended up with a face full of spinifex.
Mountain climbing is way hard.
Dood !
Whole Mt Everest business is setup completely wrong.
I would do chair lift or small gondola lift to the top.
Then nice round glassy building on the top. In this building amount of oxygen could be doubled or pressure increase for the comfort and safety of the tourist. Then amount of tourists reaching could increase 100x and so much profit Obviously we could still leave waking path for those more ambitious.
Everything powered by solar power and batteries.
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Whole Mt Everest business is setup completely wrong.
I would do chair lift or small gondola lift to the top.
Then nice round glassy building on the top. In this building amount of oxygen could be doubled or pressure increase for the comfort and safety of the tourist. Then amount of tourists reaching could increase 100x and so much profit Obviously we could still leave waking path for those more ambitious.
Everything powered by solar power and batteries.
Getting the bloody tradies up there'd cost ya
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Getting the bloody tradies up there'd cost ya
Maybe, but I am sure that those tradies could do as well as so called " alpinists" or pro climbers.
Looking at this crowd of 200 waiting to crawl to the peak we must agree that is joke already , nothing left from romantic Hilary times.
Nice idea Macro but baby steps, so let's start with the basics like running water and waste water treatment 
I've done Everest... I didn't think it was a big deal until I got to base camp, then I was like f me this sh!t is crazy... no f'ing way I was going any higher.
-15c at night.
You need to pie every hour.
You're completely drained.
You have a headache every minute.
Every step is a challenge.
Couldn't wait to get below 3000m.
Every evening there's a katabatic gale.
But the view and the night stars are a sight to behold.
8 people died when I was there including some aussies.
Here's a pic I took...
Select to expand quoteMacroscien said..
Whole Mt Everest business is setup completely wrong.
I would do chair lift or small gondola lift to the top.
Then nice round glassy building on the top. In this building amount of oxygen could be doubled or pressure increase for the comfort and safety of the tourist. Then amount of tourists reaching could increase 100x and so much profit Obviously we could still leave waking path for those more ambitious.
Everything powered by solar power and batteries.
In Europe they just tunnel up through the middle of the mountain and run a train up there. Eiger, Mont Blanc. Go for a ride up. Have a coffee. Maybe fly down on a paraglider.
