Covid-19

Sharp(understatement) increase in numbers but deaths are down,except for Africa.
As I have said before lots of vaccinated people getting Omni.
A teacher at my wife's school has had 3 vaccination shots and just got Covid for the second time!

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Tequila ! said..

We are an extreme selfish society. I heard of suicides of foreigns here and Australians abroad due the Border Politics.

Does that stick in your throat as you say we are a selfish society as you advocate for opening up a state that has had next to no infections and deaths? "Selfish" seems to imply that its a desire to have something at a personal level for the sake of a larger number of people. Hmmm... I wonder what the results would be if there were a vote on whether WA should open up?

As for suicides? Really? Can someone get so depressed that this would send them over the edge? I would argue that they are already depressed and this is just one more thing adding to it. Of course, I do agree that for a lot of people that border restrictions is impacting their livelihood and that would no doubt impact them.

How do you weigh up one group of people against the other?

If nothing, in the next few weeks we will see what the impact of Omicron is and can then judge it more objectively.

I had to re-edit this as I agree with your point about Australia closing its borders to its own citizens. Not good. Its shameful that they did this and then told the foreigners working here that they were on their own and that it were best that they return to their country of origin. Then a year or two later there is an outcry that they need these same workers...

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FormulaNova said..
Does that stick in your throat as you say we are a selfish society as you advocate for opening up a state that has had next to no infections and deaths? "Selfish" seems to imply that its a desire to have something at a personal level for the sake of a larger number of people. Hmmm... I wonder what the results would be if there were a vote on whether WA should open up?

As for suicides? Really? Can someone get so depressed that this would send them over the edge? I would argue that they are already depressed and this is just one more thing adding to it. Of course, I do agree that for a lot of people that border restrictions is impacting their livelihood and that would no doubt impact them.

How do you weigh up one group of people against the other?

If nothing, in the next few weeks we will see what the impact of Omicron is and can then judge it more objectively.

I had to re-edit this as I agree with your point about Australia closing its borders to its own citizens. Not good. Its shameful that they did this and then told the foreigners working here that they were on their own and that it were best that they return to their country of origin. Then a year or two later there is an outcry that they need these same workers...

Six of one, half dozen of the other -- if you want to open up, you're selfish and if you want it closed, you're selfish. Why should public health policy be determined by popular vote? Apparently we're all morons who need a PhD in virology or something to discuss this, so how could people vote in the best interests? Open the borders, let those who don't want to participate in society stay home. Taking away rights from people just decreases freedom.

Yes. And upticks in domestic violence. Look at the data.

Which one group? If doing something for the benefit of one groups impedes on the freedom of another, then you don't do that. Simple Let those who want to participate etc.

In Australia, maybe. We've already seen what Xi+1 does elsewhere...

Same problem within months in NZ -- nobody to do the those jobs, so the orchards etc moaned, but were busy turning away Kiwis who wanted the work. Grain of salt there...

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Tequila ! said..

FormulaNova said..

Tequila ! said..

We are an extreme selfish society. I heard of suicides of foreigns here and Australians abroad due the Border Politics.

Does that stick in your throat as you say we are a selfish society as you advocate for opening up a state that has had next to no infections and deaths? "Selfish" seems to imply that its a desire to have something at a personal level for the sake of a larger number of people. Hmmm... I wonder what the results would be if there were a vote on whether WA should open up?

As for suicides? Really? Can someone get so depressed that this would send them over the edge? I would argue that they are already depressed and this is just one more thing adding to it. Of course, I do agree that for a lot of people that border restrictions is impacting their livelihood and that would no doubt impact them.

How do you weigh up one group of people against the other?

If nothing, in the next few weeks we will see what the impact of Omicron is and can then judge it more objectively.

I had to re-edit this as I agree with your point about Australia closing its borders to its own citizens. Not good. Its shameful that they did this and then told the foreigners working here that they were on their own and that it were best that they return to their country of origin. Then a year or two later there is an outcry that they need these same workers...

I recognize I am part of the minority who wants the borders to open. Dont need to vote that.

2 yrs closed dude. Lets try keep closed another 2 then. Even people from the East cant come here!

Tell you what, if commodity prices were rock bottom, borders would have never closed.

You guys really think politicians from any spectrum care about our lifes?

Of the people I talk to during the week, most seem keen for the borders to stay closed, and right now would prefer the date to be pushed back a little. There are a lot of people in WA that have no contact with the eastern states at all.

Obviously there are people that want them opened up, and I can understand why. Someone I know was regularly flying between Perth and Melbourne, and suddenly that stopped. But is it worth the disruption to jobs?

Personally I am not too worried as I think I am in good health and have been vaccinated, so I expect that the effect of Omicron will be tolerable. But it also seems crazy to go from business as usual to running around worried that you have Covid and isolating for a week at a time.

Still, even if we do open up, and Omicron has its way with us, I am being pessimistic and predicting something else down the track.

Yes, minerals and mine owners have a large say in this state. Its a large source of income for the state. It makes sense to keep them open. I was working for a company that worked for mining companies when the pandemic started, and there were shutdowns all over the world and there was a lot of effort put into keeping ours open. Imagine what it would have been like if we hadn't?

It would be nice if the borders open back up for ski season though. I missed last season and it was terrible Although in this case it was generally because NSW was going through its own scares with Delta.

Kids used as pawns when there's no risk to them. Lots of kids will develop adverse conditions. It's farked up.

Retards that still don't understand. Same thing is happening here in France. Its too late and the vaccines are not effective against Omni.
"DON'T jab kids for no reason" should be the headline.
Most schools will be closed soon the way things are going anyhow. Both my kids have at least 6 kids in their class that have it, vaccinated or not. So with direct contact as well some classes are down to half. My daughter had 1 out of 5 classes last Friday because so many teachers have it.
The protocol is all kids have to be tested every 2 days in a class once 1 is positve. Its just not feasible and nobody does it. The parents just have to sign a declaration but not prove anything.
Lots of parents are now trying to get their kids to catch it so they don't have to get vaccinated. One mum was making her daughter that had it lick all the knives and forks and breath on them so they would all get it and be done with it. Worked for 3 out of the 4.

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deXtrous said..
Gotta say Seabreeze, I am very impressed by most of you. It seems most internet forums or 'open' discussion boards are just blindly following the narrative (or all dissenting voices are censored). Thanks to the admins and mods here for not taking the same route.

It's important to have an uncensored platform. It may seem like 'we' are in the minority, but actually our voices are just silenced.

I just wanted to put my hand up also and say I'm with you.

Funny, for all 'uncensored voices' there will be others that agree with the general consensus on what is happening. Who is to know what the majority of people believe, and does that make any of us right?

We won't know until later down the track, and anything else is just a guess.

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Magpieuser said..
Who is 'we'?

'we' = the population that is not trusting the general narrative which is saying just get vaccinated no matter what your age (5+) or health condition.

We don't like the government & media under reporting the risks involved in getting jabbed.

We don't like mandates making productive hard working people lose jobs, it's clearly not stopping the spread.

We don't like the mental health issues many Australians are increasingly facing with all the BS fear being fed to them.

We don't like the billions & billions of our money wasted on futile exercises. We could use that money to build more facilities for the vulnerable, help the Drs & Nurses who are working under stressful conditions.

We believe in protecting the vulnerable while leaving the healthy & young to get on with life without making them feel guilty for not taking an experimental vaccine that doesn't stop you contracting the virus & passing it on. We believe those young & healthy can develop natural immunity that is superior to what the current vaccines can offer.

If you are vulnerable with comorbidities & you can't overcome those conditions through better lifestyle choices then do your research, if the reward outweighs the risk then go ahead get jabbed, WE believe it's YOUR choice.

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Magpieuser said..
So to be a 'we' is to be part of a tiny minority.

The original statement I quoted is therefore incorrect.

On what basis are you making this statement?

Isn't deXtrous's point that censorship has resulted in many views and opinions not being heard? How do you know what the proportion is?

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Harrow said..

Magpieuser said..
So to be a 'we' is to be part of a tiny minority.

The original statement I quoted is therefore incorrect.

On what basis are you making this statement?

Isn't deXtrous's point that censorship has resulted in many views and opinions not being heard? How do you know what the proportion is?

Censorship ? Of banning outright lies?

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chrispy said..
Censorship ? Of banning outright lies?

So we shouldn't have been told that the vaccine would stop the virus spreading? Is that your point?

Looks like the discussion is over. We are 30 years too late. Just get jabbed kooks.

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Flying Dutchman said..
Looks like the discussion is over. We are 30 years too late. Just get jabbed kooks.

Is it that long? It seems like HW got canned only a few months ago.
That was what deXtrous was alluding to, wasn't it?

Novak Djokovic is a wog and he's an anti-vaxxer, which proves I'm right. Anti-vaxxers are mainly a minority wog thing.