Covid-19

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IFocus said..
Hmmm heavy hope he gets well.

Yeah cheers mate

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Flying Dutchman said..
I guess I'll find out when I catch it.

Odds are that you will be okay, but don't be like this bloke:
www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/little-virus-antivaxxer-dies-after-discharging-himself-from-hospital/news-story/e2ad58f27305c84c6fa183e0d17adeb3

My personal theory, with absolutely no fact or evidence to back it up, is that people that get heart problems from the vaccine probably would have gotten them from the actual infection, if they were infected. Again, no actual proof or evidence or even opinion behind this one, just a personal theory.

Not so comforting even if it were true as you have to get vaccinated and may only get the virus if you are unlucky. At least in Aus, but maybe not NSW.

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FormulaNova said..

My personal theory, with absolutely no fact or evidence to back it up, is that people that get heart problems from the vaccine probably would have gotten them from the actual infection, if they were infected. Again, no actual proof or evidence or even opinion behind this one, just a personal theory.

Your personal theory with no fact, proof or evidence to back it up?

Like a dragon?

I'm booked for a booster on Wednesday.
What I want to know is, once it induces the heart problems, will I be able to get a programmable pacemaker?
I want one that I can set to a waltz rhythm.
For good reasons, too. There is no such thing as a sad waltz. I figure if I have 3/4 time going I can finally ditch the Prozac

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Flying Dutchman said..

FormulaNova said..

Odds are that you will be okay, but don't be like this bloke:
www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/little-virus-antivaxxer-dies-after-discharging-himself-from-hospital/news-story/e2ad58f27305c84c6fa183e0d17adeb3

Yeah I saw that story.... how much juice has he had? He doesn't look healthy.

Nah, people like that insist that they are 'natural' - but we know that they aren't.

Makes you wonder doesn't it. Heart problems? Other problems? and then he compounds it by treating himself.

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FormulaNova said..

Flying Dutchman said..

FormulaNova said..

My personal theory, with absolutely no fact or evidence to back it up, is that people that get heart problems from the vaccine probably would have gotten them from the actual infection, if they were infected. Again, no actual proof or evidence or even opinion behind this one, just a personal theory.

Your personal theory with no fact, proof or evidence to back it up?

Like a dragon?

At least I know the dragon is not there

You know it's not there but you still invest in the theory. Makes sense.

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Flying Dutchman said..

FormulaNova said..

Flying Dutchman said..

FormulaNova said..

My personal theory, with absolutely no fact or evidence to back it up, is that people that get heart problems from the vaccine probably would have gotten them from the actual infection, if they were infected. Again, no actual proof or evidence or even opinion behind this one, just a personal theory.

Your personal theory with no fact, proof or evidence to back it up?

Like a dragon?

At least I know the dragon is not there

You know it's not there but you still invest in the theory. Makes sense.

Its just a theory and I would not bet my life on it. Not that I could, as I am already double vaccinated. Unless the third shot...

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Flying Dutchman said..

FormulaNova said..

Its just a theory and I would not bet my life on it. Not that I could, as I am already double vaccinated. Unless the third shot...

Fair enough.

Here's some discussion on the subject.

www.facebook.com/DrScottJensen/videos/dr-peter-mccullough-explains-how-myocarditis-differs-when-caused-by-natural-infe/208426121400542/

Oh, that Doctor.... I have no faith in that guy after listening to the Podcast that Eppo posted up. He is all over the place.

He was telling us that Omicron was going to be not as infectious as Delta and would not take over.... guess what.

He was also telling us that once you have caught Covid, from any variant, you cannot catch it again. Well, I don't think anyone believes that one.

There were heaps of strange comments from that guy, as if he started out with 'it's a conspiracy, I will try and force-fit everything into it'.

'Natural'... this guy is all over that word. I wonder how many people will die from his guesses. I do reserve the right to change my mind when I see some real studies on this though, but this guy seems to come up with these things before the data is in.

I wonder how my ex-boss is getting along after having a heart attack from a virus back in the 1990s. I guess it was 'natural' back then, so he would have been fine!

Nano-particles? Really? Has this guy got any proof of anything or does he just make stuff up?

I don't like watching videos on facebook, but at least this one is on topic:
www.facebook.com/watch/?v=220259686927210

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Flying Dutchman said..

FormulaNova said..

Oh, that Doctor.... I have no faith in that guy after listening to the Podcast that Eppo posted up. He is all over the place.

He was telling us that Omicron was going to be not as infectious as Delta and would not take over.... guess what.

He was also telling us that once you have caught Covid, from any variant, you cannot catch it again. Well, I don't think anyone believes that one.

There were heaps of strange comments from that guy, as if he started out with 'it's a conspiracy, I will try and force-fit everything into it'.

And the director of the CDC, Fauci & Biden said to the world you can't spread covid around if you're vaccinated.

How did that prediction go?

So people make mistakes.

Dr Peter McCullough is primarily a cardiologist and would know more about the heart than you I'm sure. To completely discount information from him would be a little unfair?

Yes, he would know more about the heart than I. 100%. In the video that I posted the link to, there is a suggestion, supposedly from people that know the guy, that he has changed since Covid and now has a view that he believes certain things and is changing his stories to suit.

I am watching the video now, and it will probably be more constructive than just blindly following someone that seems to now have a question mark over his motives.

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FormulaNova said..

Flying Dutchman said..

FormulaNova said..

Its just a theory and I would not bet my life on it. Not that I could, as I am already double vaccinated. Unless the third shot...

Fair enough.

Here's some discussion on the subject.

www.facebook.com/DrScottJensen/videos/dr-peter-mccullough-explains-how-myocarditis-differs-when-caused-by-natural-infe/208426121400542/

Oh, that Doctor.... I have no faith in that guy after listening to the Podcast that Eppo posted up. He is all over the place.

He was telling us that Omicron was going to be not as infectious as Delta and would not take over.... guess what.

He was also telling us that once you have caught Covid, from any variant, you cannot catch it again. Well, I don't think anyone believes that one.

There were heaps of strange comments from that guy, as if he started out with 'it's a conspiracy, I will try and force-fit everything into it'.

'Natural'... this guy is all over that word. I wonder how many people will die from his guesses. I do reserve the right to change my mind when I see some real studies on this though, but this guy seems to come up with these things before the data is in.

I wonder how my ex-boss is getting along after having a heart attack from a virus back in the 1990s. I guess it was 'natural' back then, so he would have been fine!

Nano-particles? Really? Has this guy got any proof of anything or does he just make stuff up?

I don't like watching videos on facebook, but at least this one is on topic:
www.facebook.com/watch/?v=220259686927210

Ah good on ya for listening. I encourage others to listen as well. He actually said omicron is far more infectious than delta but has far less consequences - not as destructive a delta. He thinks it could be an evolutionary mistake on behalf of the virus but time will tell. It seems we all listen (including me) with our own bias glasses and ears on.


I find his thinking quite balanced and refreshing. He's not anti vaccination but points out that treatment protocols based on where the patient is at pre, during and post a covid infection (at home and when if in hospital ) - rather than one size fits all (like all treatment of disease) could have saved millions of lives. He also challenges anyone to a constructive debate on the matter (Infact there is a guy offering 2 million dollars to do just that) and no one is willing so far to do that. He also points out the obvious suppression and control of the narrative. And he points out this is costing needless lives.


and he's done all is from the very start in the frontline tranches fighting this pandemic, treating and advising literally thousands of cases. hence again, he's worth listening to.



but he's one man with his own opinion. Albeit a highly credentialed one that served only to harm his career and status. But nevertheless one important viewpoint - among others - in this complex multi faceted issue. Ideas that you won't watch, hear from the cooperate media landscape.

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eppo said..

FormulaNova said..

Flying Dutchman said..

FormulaNova said..

Its just a theory and I would not bet my life on it. Not that I could, as I am already double vaccinated. Unless the third shot...

Fair enough.

Here's some discussion on the subject.

www.facebook.com/DrScottJensen/videos/dr-peter-mccullough-explains-how-myocarditis-differs-when-caused-by-natural-infe/208426121400542/

Oh, that Doctor.... I have no faith in that guy after listening to the Podcast that Eppo posted up. He is all over the place.

He was telling us that Omicron was going to be not as infectious as Delta and would not take over.... guess what.

He was also telling us that once you have caught Covid, from any variant, you cannot catch it again. Well, I don't think anyone believes that one.

There were heaps of strange comments from that guy, as if he started out with 'it's a conspiracy, I will try and force-fit everything into it'.

'Natural'... this guy is all over that word. I wonder how many people will die from his guesses. I do reserve the right to change my mind when I see some real studies on this though, but this guy seems to come up with these things before the data is in.

I wonder how my ex-boss is getting along after having a heart attack from a virus back in the 1990s. I guess it was 'natural' back then, so he would have been fine!

Nano-particles? Really? Has this guy got any proof of anything or does he just make stuff up?

I don't like watching videos on facebook, but at least this one is on topic:
www.facebook.com/watch/?v=220259686927210

Ah good on ya for listening. I encourage others to listen as well. He actually said omicron is far more infectious than delta but has far less consequences - not as destructive a delta. He thinks it could be an evolutionary mistake on behalf of the virus but time will tell. It seems we all listen (including me) with our own bias glasses and ears on.


I find his thinking quite balanced and refreshing. He's not anti vaccination but points out that treatment protocols based on where the patient is at pre, during and post a covid infection (at home and when if in hospital ) - rather than one size fits all (like all treatment of disease) could have saved millions of lives. He also challenges anyone to a constructive debate on the matter (Infact there is a guy offering 2 million dollars to do just that) and no one is willing so far to do that. He also points out the obvious suppression and control of the narrative. And he points out this is costing needless lives.


and he's done all is from the very start in the frontline tranches fighting this pandemic, treating and advising literally thousands of cases. hence again, he's worth listening to.



but he's one man with his own opinion. Albeit a highly credentialed one that served only to harm his career and status. But nevertheless one important viewpoint - among others - in this complex multi faceted issue. Ideas that you won't watch, hear from the cooperate media landscape.

Ahhh... no.... you are going to make me listen to this stuff again, just so that I can find out what he said about Omicron again.

I will hazard a guess that you are wrong, and I will come back here and say that I am wrong if he says what you are saying.

'Balanced and refreshing'? Nah, its full of holes.

I am not sure he challenges anyone to a debate, but uses that other guy's offer as a supposed proof that no one can counter the argument. Absolute BS. You are telling me that some guy is willing to offer money for someone to debate him, even if they are wrong and lose the debate. No way. Absolute rubbish. I would do it for $2M and I am sure many others would.

He is not worth listening to. Clearly biased from the outset.

Let me repeat that. Most of it is hogwash, and the guy is looking for a way to confirm his beliefs and comes up with suspect proof to justify his views.

I guess it would all sound sensible if you already believed in a conspiracy before you listened to it.

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FormulaNova said..

Flying Dutchman said..

eppo said..

FormulaNova said..

Flying Dutchman said..

FormulaNova said..

Its just a theory and I would not bet my life on it. Not that I could, as I am already double vaccinated. Unless the third shot...

Fair enough.

Here's some discussion on the subject.

www.facebook.com/DrScottJensen/videos/dr-peter-mccullough-explains-how-myocarditis-differs-when-caused-by-natural-infe/208426121400542/

Oh, that Doctor.... I have no faith in that guy after listening to the Podcast that Eppo posted up. He is all over the place.

He was telling us that Omicron was going to be not as infectious as Delta and would not take over.... guess what.

He was also telling us that once you have caught Covid, from any variant, you cannot catch it again. Well, I don't think anyone believes that one.

There were heaps of strange comments from that guy, as if he started out with 'it's a conspiracy, I will try and force-fit everything into it'.

'Natural'... this guy is all over that word. I wonder how many people will die from his guesses. I do reserve the right to change my mind when I see some real studies on this though, but this guy seems to come up with these things before the data is in.

I wonder how my ex-boss is getting along after having a heart attack from a virus back in the 1990s. I guess it was 'natural' back then, so he would have been fine!

Nano-particles? Really? Has this guy got any proof of anything or does he just make stuff up?

I don't like watching videos on facebook, but at least this one is on topic:
www.facebook.com/watch/?v=220259686927210

Ah good on ya for listening. I encourage others to listen as well. He actually said omicron is far more infectious than delta but has far less consequences - not as destructive a delta. He thinks it could be an evolutionary mistake on behalf of the virus but time will tell. It seems we all listen (including me) with our own bias glasses and ears on.


I find his thinking quite balanced and refreshing. He's not anti vaccination but points out that treatment protocols based on where the patient is at pre, during and post a covid infection (at home and when if in hospital ) - rather than one size fits all (like all treatment of disease) could have saved millions of lives. He also challenges anyone to a constructive debate on the matter (Infact there is a guy offering 2 million dollars to do just that) and no one is willing so far to do that. He also points out the obvious suppression and control of the narrative. And he points out this is costing needless lives.


and he's done all is from the very start in the frontline tranches fighting this pandemic, treating and advising literally thousands of cases. hence again, he's worth listening to.



but he's one man with his own opinion. Albeit a highly credentialed one that served only to harm his career and status. But nevertheless one important viewpoint - among others - in this complex multi faceted issue. Ideas that you won't watch, hear from the cooperate media landscape.

Good analysis Eppo.

I watched the whole video FormulaNova...all 1 hour and 3 minutes of it.... ZDoggMD (hard to take that name seriously) makes some good points. I felt he waffled on a bit. I find it hard to believe that he says Drs are not seeing any vaccine adverse events. I know directly/indirecty of 5 people. A few have commented on here they know people affected. Just in this small community of a room there are multiple examples. And he's claiming he's not seeing any? Seems weird.

I thought it was humorous he made the reference to the character in Ghostbusters that was mocked for not being a scientist. Well guess what happened in the movie? He ended up being right! There were ghosts!

'Waffle' is probably what you think he is doing when he is explaining things. If you think that is 'waffle', maybe you need to actually listen to the video Eppo posted a reference to. It sounds like you haven't listened to that yourself if you are complaining about 1 hour 3 minutes of this one. Honestly, tell me if you have watched and listened to that first video that Eppo posted?

I will listen to both again when I do some driving.

The video I posted went for 1 minute & had Dr McCollough discussing about Myocarditis & vaccinations.

The video you posted went for 1 hour & 3 minutes with ZDoggMD spending most of his time trying to discredit Dr McCollough. He probably could have condensed it into a 15 minute video. He waffled.

As for Eppos video, there's lots of waffle on Joe Rogan too. There are 2 people going back & forth, it's a podcast. But at least it's not a whole video of Dr McCollough just trying to discredit one person.

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Flying Dutchman said..
I know directly/indirecty of 5 people. A few have commented on here they know people affected. Just in this small community of a room there are multiple examples.

When booking a booster shot there are questions you must answer regarding disposition to myocarditis and pericarditis.

www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/advice-for-providers/myocarditis-pericarditis

There is no cover up. What you are saying is nothing new. Health officials just think it to be rare to suffer from adverse affects.

You've convinced yourself you don't want to get jabs, and that's ok, you have that choice.

PROBLEM SOLVED

Can we move on to the next COVID conspiracy theory please, this one is getting dull.

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kiterboy said..
Yeah, you have that choice.

Get the experimental treatment or go homeless!

It's such a great choice.

Lots of people will go homeless as a result of the pandemic, many through no choice of their own. We all wish it was different.

I don't really understand the point you are trying to make. Do you want sympathy?

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myscreenname said..

kiterboy said..
Yeah, you have that choice.

Get the experimental treatment or go homeless!

It's such a great choice.

Lots of people will go homeless as a result of the pandemic, many through no choice of their own. We all wish it was different.

I don't really understand the point you are trying to make. Do you want sympathy?

You say it's a choice.
But you know it isn't a choice, you know it's out and out coersion.
Yet you choose to misrepresent the point.

Do you understand the point now, or will you continue to pretend you don't?

Why would you continually tell people they have the choice, when they don't?