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Created by Ted the Kiwi > 9 months ago, 26 Feb 2017
Rex
WA, 949 posts
28 Feb 2017 2:40PM
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That watermelon to the face was brutal.

Macaha
QLD, 21976 posts
28 Feb 2017 6:03PM
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Towny said..
If your Fat, your lazy, you can't tell anyone the truth anymore, good food and a healthy lifestyle ain't that hard


Is there a healthy beer

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
28 Feb 2017 7:09PM
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Gazuki said..
caleries in to out,. Simples.


switch to a diet of coal then, there's good calories in that, then get back to us and tell us how it goes for you...

dmitri
VIC, 1040 posts
28 Feb 2017 9:29PM
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Macaha said..

Is there a healthy beer




I switched to vodka with soda mix as part of my weightwatch program

Jupiter
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1 Mar 2017 11:50AM
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Being overweight, and worse still, obese, is becoming more wide spread. Personally, I would keep my opinions to myself because there could be many reasons behind it. We all know that health issues do play a big part in one's weight piling up.

Take injuries for example, when you have a crook knee, you can't do the physical routines you used to be able to do. So you sit back and take it easy. As you take it easy, your body begins to pile it on, slowly. Soon, you find you are over the healthy weight. I suspect there is also an element of mental aspect as well. As you see your weight goes up, you get depressed. You may take up a bit of drinking. May be hitting the fridge for comfort foods.

I also believe there are cases where people simply stopped physical activities as they get older, or stopped at the elite sports level. Look at some of the AFL guys after their retirements.

Inevitably, food, especially junk foods should get a mention too. Be a sticky beak at a supermarket and take a casual glance into the trolleys of some obese people. Most likely you will see large bottles of Coke/Pepsi, Family size crisps, Footy Pies, bags of lollies, and of course, chocolate. The occasional "proper food" will most likely be the super refined stuff like pure white bread.

Fat shaming or not, I would not want to carry that extra tyre with me all the time.

hilly
WA, 7854 posts
1 Mar 2017 12:08PM
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Jupiter said..
Being overweight, and worse still, obese, is becoming more wide spread. Personally, I would keep my opinions to myself because there could be many reasons behind it. We all know that health issues do play a big part in one's weight piling up.

Take injuries for example, when you have a crook knee, you can't do the physical routines you used to be able to do. So you sit back and take it easy. As you take it easy, your body begins to pile it on, slowly. Soon, you find you are over the healthy weight. I suspect there is also an element of mental aspect as well. As you see your weight goes up, you get depressed. You may take up a bit of drinking. May be hitting the fridge for comfort foods.

I also believe there are cases where people simply stopped physical activities as they get older, or stopped at the elite sports level. Look at some of the AFL guys after their retirements.

Inevitably, food, especially junk foods should get a mention too. Be a sticky beak at a supermarket and take a casual glance into the trolleys of some obese people. Most likely you will see large bottles of Coke/Pepsi, Family size crisps, Footy Pies, bags of lollies, and of course, chocolate. The occasional "proper food" will most likely be the super refined stuff like pure white bread.

Fat shaming or not, I would not want to carry that extra tyre with me all the time.


Totally agree happened to me. Slowed down due to age, kids and injuries (30 years rugby) catching up with me and put a bit on. Then smashed my knee kiting (MCL of bone, snapped PCL and fractures top and bottom) so a year out. Got north of 115kg. Happily Greenroom got me into mountain biking and my son got into kiting so the exercise picked up and the weight dropped. Being fond of a wine or two and a second helping meant I stayed about 108kg. Just did Feb without alcohol and I plummeted to 98kg. Thinking of reducing the food a bit and try for sub 95kg.

Yes it hurts to exercise as the arthritic joints complain, yes I am hungry all the time and a bevy would be nice but it is worth it. My knee loves the lower weight and my crook neck and elbows feel better. It is just easier to get around.

Flexibility is still average so more stretching is needed. Next goal.

rockmagnet
QLD, 1458 posts
1 Mar 2017 4:20PM
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I recently read this book and really got a lot help from it . It should be a must read for anyone looking to change their lifetime of bad eating habits.
Downloaded it from the library so it's free and definitely worth a look





How Not to Die by Michael Greger MD:







How Not to Die: Discover the Foods Scientifically Proven to Prevent and Reverse Disease (2015) is a whole-food, plant-based, fairly low-fat diet.Eat unprocessed plant foods - beans/legumes, berries, other fruits, cruciferous vegetables, greens, other veggies, flaxseeds, nuts, turmeric, whole grains.Minimize processed plant foods and unprocessed animal foods.Avoid ultra-processed plant foods and processed animal foods.

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
1 Mar 2017 6:24PM
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Fat people are the only group of people we are still allowed to make fun of.

Jupiter
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1 Mar 2017 3:29PM
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Jupiter said..
Being fond of a wine or two and a second helping meant I stayed about 108kg. Just did Feb without alcohol and I plummeted to 98kg. Thinking of reducing the food a bit and try for sub 95kg.

Yes it hurts to exercise as the arthritic joints complain, yes I am hungry all the time and a bevy would be nice but it is worth it. My knee loves the lower weight and my crook neck and elbows feel better. It is just easier to get around.

Flexibility is still average so more stretching is needed. Next goal.



Despite the fact that many of us would like to stay within a healthy weight range, there are just so many temptations out there to break our wills. Tasty food is one. Alcohol is another. I am allergic to beer, so no issue there for me. Food is another problem for me. So I restrict myself to a standard size bowl. If I wanted to have that bit of extra, I turn to some whole-grain bread instead.

Regarding flexibility, I believe it is very important for one's health. If you can't touch your toes, or at least near enough to them, then you have too much in the middle. Well, unless you have back issues, of course. I saw a health story a while back about this woman at 90. She still can touch her toes, and make sure that she stays flexible. Health experts reckon that if you are flexible, it means your skeletal and muscular tones are still in good shape.

Experts also reckon that a gentle, low impact exercise routine is the best way to deal with arthritis.

It is not easy to say "no" to the good stuff in life. But I don't consider junk foods are the "good stuff", so I don't really have a problem to say "no" to them.

dmitri
VIC, 1040 posts
1 Mar 2017 7:40PM
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Macaha said..

Is there a healthy beer






I switched to vodka with soda mix as part of my weightwatch program



Just a few more points to my comment..I couldn't find more diet beverage than that. The models drink that stuff..

Beer, wine and spirits/softdrinks mixes do all the damage.

2 weeks in Bali would get me 4 kgs extra: surfing twice a day, eating nasi goreng mostly AND drinking bintang and GT.
I spent 2 weeks in Moscow last months doing FA but eating all kinds of yummy food and drinking only vodka straight or mixed with soda..
Didn't get any extra gram
Go figure

Macaha
QLD, 21976 posts
1 Mar 2017 7:20PM
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dmitri said..

dmitri said..


Macaha said..

Is there a healthy beer






I switched to vodka with soda mix as part of my weightwatch program



Just a few more points to my comment..I couldn't find more diet beverage than that. The models drink that stuff..

Beer, wine and spirits/softdrinks mixes do all the damage.

2 weeks in Bali would get me 4 kgs extra surfing twice a day eating nasi goreng mostly AND drinking bintang and GT.
I spent 2 weeks in Moscow last months doing FA but eating all kinds of yummy food and drinking only vodka straight or mixed with soda..
Didn't get any extra gram
Go figure


Good point I just spent 2.5 weeks in bali fa surf drank and ate put on heaps.
Yeah its well known to keep the weight down I know a few people who drink V
to keep the weight down.

Bristolfashion
VIC, 490 posts
1 Mar 2017 8:20PM
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Shaming is never right. If you are close enough to someone to give personal advice then do it in a sensitive and supportive way - maybe you can mind the kids while they take a walk etc.

A general discussion of the reasons for the increase in obesity is, of course, fine.

The ABC program "You can't ask that " episode "Fat" is still available on the iplayer and is very interesting on this topic.

You just never know the reasons behind what you're seeing on the surface.

Gnawing on a carrot

Bristle

hilly
WA, 7854 posts
1 Mar 2017 5:23PM
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dmitri said..

dmitri said..


Macaha said..

Is there a healthy beer






I switched to vodka with soda mix as part of my weightwatch program



Just a few more points to my comment..I couldn't find more diet beverage than that. The models drink that stuff..

Beer, wine and spirits/softdrinks mixes do all the damage.

2 weeks in Bali would get me 4 kgs extra surfing twice a day eating nasi goreng mostly AND drinking bintang and GT.
I spent 2 weeks in Moscow last months doing FA but eating all kinds of yummy food and drinking only vodka straight or mixed with soda..
Didn't get any extra gram
Go figure


Cold burns calories www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/02/how-being-cold-burns-calories/283810/

dmitri
VIC, 1040 posts
1 Mar 2017 8:41PM
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hilly said..

dmitri said..


dmitri said..



Macaha said..

Is there a healthy beer







I switched to vodka with soda mix as part of my weightwatch program




Just a few more points to my comment..I couldn't find more diet beverage than that. The models drink that stuff..

Beer, wine and spirits/softdrinks mixes do all the damage.

2 weeks in Bali would get me 4 kgs extra surfing twice a day eating nasi goreng mostly AND drinking bintang and GT.
I spent 2 weeks in Moscow last months doing FA but eating all kinds of yummy food and drinking only vodka straight or mixed with soda..
Didn't get any extra gram
Go figure



Cold burns calories www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/02/how-being-cold-burns-calories/283810/


Mate, inside their buildings where I spent most of the time are tropics..
They got very good central heating infrastructure burning coal and gas

myusernam
QLD, 6154 posts
2 Mar 2017 7:18AM
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Jupiter said..

hilly said..


Jupiter said..
Being fond of a wine or two and a second helping meant I stayed about 108kg. Just did Feb without alcohol and I plummeted to 98kg. Thinking of reducing the food a bit and try for sub 95kg.

Yes it hurts to exercise as the arthritic joints complain, yes I am hungry all the time and a bevy would be nice but it is worth it. My knee loves the lower weight and my crook neck and elbows feel better. It is just easier to get around.

Flexibility is still average so more stretching is needed. Next goal.




Despite the fact that many of us would like to stay within a healthy weight range, there are just so many temptations out there to break our wills. Tasty food is one. Alcohol is another. I am allergic to beer, so no issue there for me. Food is another problem for me. So I restrict myself to a standard size bowl. If I wanted to have that bit of extra, I turn to some whole-grain bread instead.

Regarding flexibility, I believe it is very important for one's health. If you can't touch your toes, or at least near enough to them, then you have too much in the middle. Well, unless you have back issues, of course. I saw a health story a while back about this woman at 90. She still can touch her toes, and make sure that she stays flexible. Health experts reckon that if you are flexible, it means your skeletal and muscular tones are still in good shape.

Experts also reckon that a gentle, low impact exercise routine is the best way to deal with arthritis.

It is not easy to say "no" to the good stuff in life. But I don't consider junk foods are the "good stuff", so I don't really have a problem to say "no" to them.


Allergic to beer!!!!!! No wonder you have turned to religion.

Jupiter
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2 Mar 2017 12:11PM
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Allergic to beer!!!!!! No wonder you have turned to religion.




Religions are too deep for me. I turned to windsurfing instead. Ohh...and perving on wet T-shirts.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
2 Mar 2017 2:15PM
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Fatty and Skinny jumped in bed, Fatty rolled over and Skinny was dead... Me old mum taught me that one.

Hardcarve1
QLD, 550 posts
2 Mar 2017 5:07PM
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Untill you have walked in the shoes of person who is very obese, youre simple solutions to weight loss mean little. I know obese people who eat less calaries than regular people who do not lose weight and exercise does not always work either. Some people are slim some are fat thats how we are made. But dont get me wrong to put the weight on does require excess energy intake in the first place no denying that but some people just dont have the ability to remove weight easily. A bit of advice every child should be taught at high school, every kilo you put on will take a life time to keep off. Some people not all after putting on weight will find it almost impossible to remove excess weight due to their bodies defence mechanism. Some peoples bodies become accepting of the weight and then use defence mechanism to maintain that weight. Never ever put on weight not even during a holiday because you are setting yourself up for weight gain latter in life. Those who put sh!t on obese people as lazy and sub human are not really fully informed and you may be looking at some oeople who are actually eating less than you but traped by their own bodies fight to maintain weight.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
3 Mar 2017 6:15AM
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It's a myth that it's possible to eat very little and still not lose weight, calories in and calories out, simple math folks. I know from experience that people will claim they are on strict low calorie diets but will sneak snacks and even sleep eat. There were no fat people at Auschwitz.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
3 Mar 2017 8:20AM
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Beaglebuddy said..
It's a myth that it's possible to eat very little and still not lose weight, calories in and calories out, simple math folks. I know from experience that people will claim they are on strict low calorie diets but will sneak snacks and even sleep eat. There were no fat people at Auschwitz.


Again.

Change your diet to coal, eat 10,000 calories a day and tell us how fat you get.

FormulaNova
WA, 15083 posts
3 Mar 2017 6:43AM
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Kamikuza said..
Beaglebuddy said..
It's a myth that it's possible to eat very little and still not lose weight, calories in and calories out, simple math folks. I know from experience that people will claim they are on strict low calorie diets but will sneak snacks and even sleep eat. There were no fat people at Auschwitz.


Again.

Change your diet to coal, eat 10,000 calories a day and tell us how fat you get.


I think it has to be assumed that we are talking about digestible food.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
3 Mar 2017 11:59AM
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FormulaNova said..

Kamikuza said..

Beaglebuddy said..
It's a myth that it's possible to eat very little and still not lose weight, calories in and calories out, simple math folks. I know from experience that people will claim they are on strict low calorie diets but will sneak snacks and even sleep eat. There were no fat people at Auschwitz.



Again.

Change your diet to coal, eat 10,000 calories a day and tell us how fat you get.



I think it has to be assumed that we are talking about digestible food.

Oh in that case perhaps we should assume that biochemistry is more complex than the first law of thermodynamics...? ;)

Hardcarve1
QLD, 550 posts
3 Mar 2017 1:58PM
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It's a myth that it's possible to eat very little and still not lose weight, calories in and calories out, simple math folks. I know from experience that people will claim they are on strict low calorie diets but will sneak snacks and even sleep eat. There were no fat people at Auschwitz.


You are basically right but the reality is very different because the body will fight your efforts to loose weight and then it becomes a physiological battle rather than just maintaining a diet. Most people just don't want to understand this and just think like you its a simple problem and fat people are just lazy and deserve what the get. You say snacks as in a bad way but this could be a healthy food that may contain carbohydrates that the body will want to convert into fat and store. Poor person may not get a say how this food is processed in their system and it stops them loosing weight. But they are seen as weak, lazy and slobs and then they get depressed and find it all too hard and loose the battle.
Like I said do you have first hand experience and seen the science. The body has ways to convert different food groups to fat and after a large weight loss some people experience the problem where the body fights for its life to regain weight. That's why you see people on the yoyo diet, loose 10 kg then put 10 kg on. Notice how you can maintain a certain weight quiet easy even though you may over eat, like after a holiday but can then can loose it relatively quickly to get back down to weigh, this is where your body hasn't conditioned itself to the weight gain. But if you leave the weight on for a period of time you body becomes conditioned to this normal weight and then for the rest of your life becomes your bodies resting weight.
I'm on a 1500 calorie diet to maintain weight if I have more I put on weight, for me to loose weigh I need to go down to about 800 calories a day. Are you consuming 1500 a day consistently?
Just about the whole weight loss industry follows your methodology of less in is less on the guts but so little truth is said about peoples different biological make up and while diets work up to a point, your body will then change its defence tactics to weight loss and you need to find different ways to maintain weight loss.
But the reality is don't over eat in the first place.


Jupiter
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3 Mar 2017 12:13PM
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I know obese people who eat less calaries than regular people who do not lose weight and exercise does not always work either. Some people are slim some are fat thats how we are made.
Never ever put on weight not even during a holiday because you are setting yourself up for weight gain latter in life. Those who put sh!t on obese people as lazy and sub human are not really fully informed and you may be looking at some oeople who are actually eating less than you but traped by their own bodies fight to maintain weight.



I do agree with you on many of the points, Hardcarve1. However, if you are to stand back a bit, and cast your sight some 40 years and beyond, do you see that many obese folks ? Even as recent as 30 years ago, trim men in their swanky Safari suits, and slinky women in their cheek tight jeans, were the norm rather than the exception. Now, it is the opposite.

As for people who try to shed those extra Kg, many gave up for the lack of progress. What I believe is that fat is very hard to get rid of. In the first few months, or even year of dieting, your body chooses to use the energy reserves in your livers and even muscles. A regular exercise routine will build up your muscle bulk. The bigger the muscle bulk, the more is the energy it demands. There will be a time when the excess fat is used, but it takes a while.

Expecting an instant result, as spruik by those TV dieting crap, will more like than not, resulting in disappointment. So patience and hardwork. Better still, don't bloody well allow it to happen in the first place.

hilly
WA, 7854 posts
3 Mar 2017 12:19PM
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Hardcarve1 said..

Beaglebuddy said..
It's a myth that it's possible to eat very little and still not lose weight, calories in and calories out, simple math folks. I know from experience that people will claim they are on strict low calorie diets but will sneak snacks and even sleep eat. There were no fat people at Auschwitz.



You are basically right but the reality is very different because the body will fight your efforts to loose weight and then it becomes a physiological battle rather than just maintaining a diet. Most people just don't want to understand this and just think like you its a simple problem and fat people are just lazy and deserve what the get. You say snacks as in a bad way but this could be a healthy food that may contain carbohydrates that the body will want to convert into fat and store. Poor person may not get a say how this food is processed in their system and it stops them loosing weight. But they are seen as weak, lazy and slobs and then they get depressed and find it all too hard and loose the battle.
Like I said do you have first hand experience and seen the science. The body has ways to convert different food groups to fat and after a large weight loss some people experience the problem where the body fights for its life to regain weight. That's why you see people on the yoyo diet, loose 10 kg then put 10 kg on. Notice how you can maintain a certain weight quiet easy even though you may over eat, like after a holiday but can then can loose it relatively quickly to get back down to weigh, this is where your body hasn't conditioned itself to the weight gain. But if you leave the weight on for a period of time you body becomes conditioned to this normal weight and then for the rest of your life becomes your bodies resting weight.
I'm on a 1500 calorie diet to maintain weight if I have more I put on weight, for me to loose weigh I need to go down to about 800 calories a day. Are you consuming 1500 a day consistently?
Just about the whole weight loss industry follows your methodology of less in is less on the guts but so little truth is said about peoples different biological make up and while diets work up to a point, your body will then change its defence tactics to weight loss and you need to find different ways to maintain weight loss.
But the reality is don't over eat in the first place.




If you are eating 1500 calories a day and doing heaps of exercise and not losing weight you might be defying physics. Get a research group to look at how you are doing that as it is impressive.

Activity: Bicycling, >20mph, Time (mins): 60 Calories Burned: 1,592.68
www.prohealth.com/exercise-calorie-calculator

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
3 Mar 2017 3:06PM
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I've observed some fat people supposedly on strict diets sneaking little bites and handfuls of grub here and there, they have successfully fooled themselves into thinking they are on a strict diet. The mind plays games with itself.

Buster fin
WA, 2595 posts
3 Mar 2017 4:50PM
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I've observed some fat people supposedly on strict diets sneaking little bites and handfuls of grub here and there, they have successfully fooled themselves into thinking they are on a strict diet. The mind plays games with itself.


Yes, sneak a timt@m or two and still drink plenty of alcohol. Not vodka as far as I know...

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
3 Mar 2017 7:53PM
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hilly said..



If you are eating 1500 calories a day and doing heaps of exercise and not losing weight you might be defying physics. Get a research group to look at how you are doing that as it is impressive.

Activity: Bicycling, >20mph, Time (mins): 60 Calories Burned: 1,592.68
www.prohealth.com/exercise-calorie-calculator




Nope. More "calories in, calories out" fallacy.

If you starve yourself, your body will shunt all available incoming calories to storing it as fat and will actually consume itself to maintain life. IIRC it starts with the muscle then works it way through the organs.

On a starvation diet (ie. far lower than normal), fat is the LAST thing to be burned. 1500 calories is probably too low, unless you're a tiny tiny person.

Also, most of the calories burned in your bicycling will be your base metabolic rate. So that shot of vodka you just had has put you back into excess consumption ;)

The way your biochemistry deals with the incoming food with vary wildly, but basically if you eat stuff that converts to fat more easily, you'll get fat more easily eg. drinking fruit juice vs eating fruit: there's no fiber (or much less) in the juice, so effectively much more easily processed sugars.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
3 Mar 2017 7:55PM
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I've observed some fat people supposedly on strict diets sneaking little bites and handfuls of grub here and there, they have successfully fooled themselves into thinking they are on a strict diet. The mind plays games with itself.



There's studies that show that the food itself is responsible for the behavior, not the other way around. Sugar is pretty addictive and actively messes up your satiety response system...

cisco
QLD, 12361 posts
3 Mar 2017 10:27PM
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Kamikuza said..

Beaglebuddy said..
I've observed some fat people supposedly on strict diets sneaking little bites and handfuls of grub here and there, they have successfully fooled themselves into thinking they are on a strict diet. The mind plays games with itself.




There's studies that show that the food itself is responsible for the behavior, not the other way around. Sugar is pretty addictive and actively messes up your satiety response system...


Sugar and carbs are the killers. I do not have pasta or rice. I may have four slices of bread per week with butter not margerine.

Try this for breakfast daily. In a 1.5 litre bowl mix:-

1.5 cups plain rolled oats.
3/4 cup of chia seeds.
1/4 cup oat bran
1/4 cup pepita seeds.
1/4 cup sunflower kernels
1/4 cup cinnamon verum 4019 (adds flavour and very good for diabetics)
1/4 cup dried cranberries or goji berries (any red fruit is very good for you)
1/2 cup frozen blue or black berries
1/4 cup chopped pitted dates (yum)
Stir this lot up till as evenly mixed as possible and then pour in about 3/4 litre of almond milk and mix until you have an even goop. Cover the bowl with lid or cling wrap, place in fridge overnight to allow oats and chia to absorb almond milk.

This is enough for about 6 days. For breakfast, with a desert spoon, scoop out about a hand full into your breakfast bowl and break it up a bit, add cow's milk to your taste and slice a banana into it.

It is not overly flavoursome but certainly not unpleasant. Lady finger bananas have a certain zing but I have Cavendish bananas.
The texture is pleasant with the pepita seeds providing a nice soft crunch.

As you chew you will get highlights of cinnamon, berries, dates and banana.

I have been on this breakfast for the last 4 months and do not tire of it and it keeps me going most of the day. If I get hungry during the day I might grab a meat pie or have a ham sandwich or some spoonfuls of "Queensland Yoghurt", the best there is made to an old family recipe in Gympie. They have mango, apple and cinnamon, lemon myrtle and macadamia and best of all coffee macadamia.

My evening meal is usually meat and three veg with the odd pizza, kebab or curry thrown in. This diet obviously suits me as despite my beer intake my weight hovers between 84 to 85 kg and my blood sugar morning counts are 8 ,or below.

Low carbs and no sugar except in fruit (one or two pieces per day) I think are the key along with being active.



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