WazzaYotty/hargs.
Sorry to rain on your parade but, having lived in Thailand (part of S.E.A. and a "3rd world country") for the past 12 years, I have heard far fewer 'moans' about, not only, dentistry but also medical treatment here from expats then I do from friends and family back home/in Oz.
Have had 2 fillings whilst here and, on a visit to Oz, had a check up with the local 'Fang Bosun' who only expressed concern about a filling he put in a few years prior.Had this redone on my return to the Land of Smiles.
A good mate here (a Yank) passed away from cancer a few years ago and the care and attention afforded him in the hospital in Chiang Mai was exceptional.After seeing a girlfriend pass away from cancer within the hospital system in Perth many years ago, I know where I would prefer to be treated.
And, 30baht ($1.00+/-) for a visit to a local doctor compared to $35+(after medicare rebate) wins hands down.But, you are entitled to your opinions.
Select to expand quotenakkers said..
WazzaYotty/hargs.
Sorry to rain on your parade but, having lived in Thailand (part of S.E.A. and a "3rd world country") for the past 12 years, I have heard far fewer 'moans' about, not only, dentistry but also medical treatment here from expats then I do from friends and family back home/in Oz.
Have had 2 fillings whilst here and, on a visit to Oz, had a check up with the local 'Fang Bosun' who only expressed concern about a filling he put in a few years prior.Had this redone on my return to the Land of Smiles.
A good mate here (a Yank) passed away from cancer a few years ago and the care and attention afforded him in the hospital in Chiang Mai was exceptional.After seeing a girlfriend pass away from cancer within the hospital system in Perth many years ago, I know where I would prefer to be treated.
And, 30baht ($1.00+/-) for a visit to a local doctor compared to $35+(after medicare rebate) wins hands down.But, you are entitled to your opinions.
Well said Mate 
I'm not getting it done in Queensland either, research:
This report, Teething problems: A spotlight report on complaints about dental care in Queensland explores what patients, families and carers have told us about the problems in dental care.
As well as reviewing and resolving individual healthcare complaints, it is important for us to analyse complaints collectively to identify patterns of healthcare provider practice, complaint trends and more widespread system issues. We share the results of our analysis with healthcare consumers and providers to spark discussion and drive improvement.
What we found
? We received 855 dental complaints between 1 January 2009 and 31 December 2011, accounting for 12% of all of the healthcare complaints we received in the same period.
? There was a 35% increase in the number of dental complaints received during this period compared to 20% increase in the total number of healthcare complaints received.
? The 2011 complaint rate for registered dental practitioners (9.2 complaints per 100 registered dental practitioners) is considerably higher than the complaint rate for registered doctors (four complaints per 100 registered medical practitioners).
? The most frequently reported concern in complaints about dental care was treatment (accounting for 80% of complaints), followed by communication and information; fees, costs and rebates, access and environment/facility management.
? Dental treatment complaints cited concerns about inappropriate/inadequate and unsuccessful treatment, unexpected treatment outcomes and complications, inadequate prosthetic equipment (most frequently ill-fitting or faulty dentures), ineffective coordination of dental treatment and diagnosis problems.
? 88% of dental complaints identifying an individual practitioner were about dentists, followed by dental prosthetists (8%).
? 78% of dental complaints were about private sector dental services.
? 75% of complaints were about dental care provided in private group or sole dental practices.
? 15.5% of complaints were about dental care provided under the Medicare Chronic Disease Dental Scheme or the MedicareTeen Dental Plan.
? 16 dental practitioners received four or more complaints between 2009 and 2011.
Bali Dental Clinic
Mal Bali Galeria, 2nd floor 2c 58-59
Jl By Pass Ngurah Rai, Simpang Dewa Ruci Kuta
Phone 0361-766255.
I went here on my first visit to bali to seek some dental work (could not fault). took my sup and stayed at chillhouse surf retreat in channgu. stayed away from kuta. (good move)
great treatment; great surgery; great surf; highly recommend this dentist (was referred by local nurses from ocean grove) who attend regularly.
and highly recommend chillhouse.
Oz dentists are extremely famous gougers; but as can be seen in previous posts there is no reason for them to change. but on the upside they have the best end of year piss ups of any profession.
at least go to thailand.
stories i heard discussing this with a dental tech yesterday...
jewelers gold instead of dental gold used (contains lead to make maliable)
inferior metals for prostheitics that contain beryillium and other harmfull metals
all sorts of non conforming compunds that might come back to bite u later.
I dont trust them to serve me anything other than an unopened beer. I'd be farked if I let them do anything medically to me
Select to expand quotehargs said..
I have seen some bloody terrible dentistry out of the likes of bali over the years. I'm not saying that there aren't any good dentists over there, but in my experience what I have seen is ** house treatment. People may think they are saving themselves money, but for many in the long run it's just more heartache and money when it all goes pear shaped. Not to mention I would be very wary of the infection control practices in some of these countries. Yep going to the dentist in Australia isn't cheap. It is a very expensive service to provide with high over heads. But be assured cheap dentistry is just that - cheap and nasty.
The only high overhead costs in Dentistry in Australia is the overly high wages of $700.00 per hour for a dentist, overhead costs out of that is about $35 an hour for dental assistant and maybe the same for reception and other normal overheads, lets face it, many dentists in Australia don't even have a lot of surgical expereince because so many people are getting it done overseas.
90% of the time the dentist in Australia are doing minor maintenance work, fillings and other menial jobs.
The overseas dentist who service foreigners they specialize in major work, cost more than their local dentists, do it all the time, so at least have the experience, unlike our Aussie dentists.
I have been to dentists in China, like Australia, I also had a chinese dentist there and the equipment was better, now the claim is Australian chinese dentists are better than real chinese dentists.
All the slagging of, of foreign dentists is just people employed in the Australian dental industry protecting their own hugely overpaid industry.
Lets face it the wages in places like Indonesia, China, Phillipines and Thailand are about 5 to 10% of ours, also given that dentists wages arent as proportionally high in these countries as Australia, naturally dentistry there will be cheaper.
If you still want to knock quality, have a look at the smiles of the local people who have their dental work done there.
Also, implants, root canal, crowns and braces is hardly ground breaking technology, its been happening for at least 40 years in my experience.
Of course you will get bad dentists overseas, same as in Australia, don't go price hunting for the cheapest, pick a reputable dentist / business and you will still save a fortune compared to Australia.
I went to this mob in Bangkok 2 years ago to have implants replace the atrociously incompetent and grossly overpriced series of utter cock ups I was left with after having been tortured and ripped off by a series of South African and Australian dentists.
They exuded professionalism, competence and actually understood customer service. Cannot speak highly enough of them.
www.thantakit.com/
Oh, and the hotel they recommended on the other side of the road was brilliant.
Had plenty of fillings and teeth pulled in Thailand and Indonesia including 3 wisdom teeth out in one sitting. Never had a bad experience.
The three fillings were supposedly "complicated" in Australia. The Thai dentist I saw didnt find them complicated at all, it took 20 minutes I saved nearly 3000g.
Select to expand quotedjt91184 said...
The three fillings were supposedly "complicated" in Australia. The Thai dentist I saw didnt find them complicated at all, it took 20 minutes I saved nearly 3000g.
I meant Wisdom teeth.
I knew I should of gone abroad, I could of saved enough to but myself a new rig.
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so what countrys better thailand vietnam philippines or bali?
Malaysia - Kuala Lumpur
Top notch, even better than aus
I had a cleaning and filling done in Hua Hin, Thailand. Top notch work. Clean, professional environment. Cost me 50 bucks. Do your research, but Thailand has a generally high rating for dentists and medical care. Depends on the procedure of course. Again, do your research... and probably give Bali a miss ( I lived there for 3 years) unless it's a dental emergency.
Had a wisdom tooth removed in Phuket last year , the surgery made those in Aus look primative .
It was absolutely imaculate, and ALL the equipment was very new looking.
Took a whole 5 minutes!!! to give painkillers and remove the troublesome tooth.
Went downstairs when done and the wife hadn't even picked a book to read, she didn't believe it was done so quick until I opened my mouth.
No pain, no exsessive bleeding , able to eat 2 hrs later , no drama
$ 50 is all it cost .
Had another wisdom tooth removed in Perth earlier this year, it went like this- 3 injections , still felt alot of pain, 30 minutes of shyt I won't forget in a hurry, then when he finally pulled the tooth ,the pliers hit the teeth on the upper jaw so hard I thought it would smash
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2 days later had a serious back problem , and could hardly walk and intense pain for over a week. Drove back home to Exy ,went straight to chiro and he said the 30 mins of pulling violently on the tooth had caused most of the back problem.!!
30 mins of gentle manipulation , I walked out pain free
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Fu.. the Ausie dentists,
Just to add to this. I was quoted $3500 for ceramic crowns using some 3d technology here in Perth. I happened to go to Hanoi the week after so I researched and found a dental clinic in Hanoi with the same equipment.
The whole procedure cost me $600. It went well, a bit of a language barrier but it worked out fine.
My girlfriend had a bridge done with 3 teeth and two implants. That was around $1500. She needed to go back after 3 months.
It all worked out fine.
I had Lasik surgery in Bangkok in 2012. in Perth I was quoted over $6000, it cost me $2000 at Bumrungrad hospital.
Combined with airplane tickets and upmarket hotel (I wanted a suite as I had been sick in BKK before after a marathon and found out that it is better to be miserable in a bigger room), I was still over $2k better off and we had a nice holiday as well.
There is always a risk, just research to get a better idea about what you are doing.
It will hold up as well as with a dentist in Australia. Dentists here have no extra magic powers or guarantees.
The fillings that were replaced by a dentist in Australia 5 years before and he was the one that recommended to use the Cerec replacement.
So much for the eternal treatment.
I had the Cerec replacement done in Hanoi. Same technology, same product.
Time will tell indeed, if it fails, I can always have them replaced. Just found out that Bali911 also has the Cerec equipment.
The dentist here told me that Cerec would last 8 years. If it fails in less time, say 5 years, I will still be financially better off.
Again, I am happy to carry that risk, not everyone wants to do this.
Select to expand quoteHellemam said..
I had the Cerec replacement done in Hanoi. Same technology, same product.
Well yes maybe the same technology in that a Cerec unit was used, but it ends about there. I have seem some absolutely top notch Cerec restorations over the years. I have also seem some appalling ones which frankly look like piss poor temporary restorations at best. A lot depends on the skill/competency of the operator in a. preparing the tooth in the mouth in the first place, 2. designing/milling the restoration with the Cerec, (Cerec can mill different types of restorations from different quality blanks) & 3. cementing/bonding the finished restoration, i.e.: under rubber dam to ensure moisture control, etc... again just saying....
I have had four Cerec crowns done in Gladstone by a silver tail dentist 8 years ago. Two of them only lasted a couple of years because he drilled that much tooth away the tooth was only a skin for the Cerec.
They cost $1,250 back then. I believe the price has gone up considerably since. For the actual work that is done I think the price is outrageous but I think there is a big royalty price that goes to either or both the hardware manufacturer and the software developer.
It is amazing technology but some people are price gouging and tooth gouging.
Each time I visit my dentist he says "I am glad you came in Pete. I really need the money."
When I leave I say "Thanks for that Greg. I hope I don't see you soon."
Then on Friday night we see each other at the yacht club and have a couple of beers and a chat.
Guys, thought I had better put in my 10 cents worth...I am a dentist in general practice with more than 20 years experience and currently work in a city building surrounded by my State's most experienced dental specialists, whom I refer to and they refer general work to me! I was locally trained but have more than two years of overseas experience, I have University teaching experience and have written a number of expert dental reports (as a generalist) mainly for insurance purposes (people hurt in the workplace usually).
Yes the issue of Dental Tourism is an interesting one indeed, over many years of seeing work performed abroad, I would love to say ALL the dental procedures I have followed, that were provided overseas have been hopeless/fell out/got infected/paralysed the persons lower jaw, blah bah blah, but I can honestly say that is not the case...and of course I have seen work performed locally to what I would consider a poor standard.
The big issue with healthcare though and especially dentistry, is that there is a biological AND financial price to all dental procedures (maybe other than a clean and fluoride or a consultation/advice!!!) and as the fellow mentioned with his Cerec preparations on his teeth, once the tooth is gutted by decay and the ensuing dental intervention, unlike the lizard and his tail, the tooth won't grow back and more extensive procedures are required, that is assuming the tooth can even be saved at all! So please consider that like a lot of mechanic/engineered devices/procedures, things done well initially and then well maintained will last.
Getting back to Bali, it seems some recommendations have been provided and I would agree that even locally this is the best way to source not only a dentist but an electrician, accountant, doctor, surfboard repairer etc. And if there appears some history of sound work and clean practices, who am I to tell you what to do with your teeth and mouth and where to have work done?
For the record:
1) Worst dental tourism disaster I have seen...was (in a University setting) two front teeth crowns made of some unknown but "reactive" material...reactive to the female patient's gums and supporting bone at least, resulting in teeth loosening and eventual loss (over two years)...patient was from Manilla from memory and she had the work done back in the Philippines on a trip there to see relatives.
2) Best dental tourism case I have seen...lovely Coastal QLD fellow who literally won a competition to be sent abroad to have a dental makeover (and a crooked nose straightened and some fake chin material of some sort inserted)...his dental work included six front tooth veneers and a couple of back tooth crowns..and you know what, the work was excellent, he looked great and he was very happy with the result. Unfortunately the country he went to I cannot remember but it was definitely SE Asia.
3) Best work locally...my work of course...six front teeth veneers for retired lawyer for fees (6x$1500=$9000) approx. 5 years ago still perfect...and the four veneers I did for my Mum for her 65th birthday (fees, mate's rates...nothing because she's my Mum).
4) Worst dental work I have seen by far ever...a priest in London whom had received the "best" of dental care by a number of Harley Street's most respected dental specialists and funded by the Catholic church (£20 000 in 2001 ($60 000AUD at the time)) multiple implants and their respective supporting crowns and bridges...and it had all failed and and had to be completely removed and re-done (not by me)!
Don't know on re-reading if this helps or hinders but thought I would input regardless.
Oh yeah, and to run my surgery costs me $25 000-$30 000 a month and it is only me, my receptionist and a casual dental assistant...
I will never retire (Dad retired at 72)...my mindset is just just work then die, lost too much in the GFC thanks to well-meaning (and well-commissioned) financial advisors and the property bubble bursting same time!
But luckily I love my job and in the last 18 months I started kitesurfing, so these should keep me going...kited with a 70-year old on the Goldie recently!
NOTE: Maybe another discussion topic should be why I have hired a Kiwi and a lovely black girl from Sierra Leone as staff instead of primped up, entitled, local Gen Y's who couldn't even be bothered to turn up to interviews!!!???
i went to Bali in 2009 to get a crown done after a mate from work had a triple crown, whilst he was there on holiday. a triple crown cost him $900au at the 911 dentist in Kuta
So I went there and got a crown done for $300au, i can tell you now that the dentist was so clean i could of eaten of the floor, it was cleaner than any dentist i have been to in Aussie. it is now 2015 and my crown is still good, no problems with it at all, and as for my mate at work his triple crown is also great.
So now you have heard of 2 people with an excellent experience, oh and you can get some very ordinary dentists in Australia as well, so not always do you get what you pay for in Australia either?????
My dentist saw my crown when i went for a check up, and he got ****ty with me for having it done in Bali, although he said it was a very good job, he then went on to say how we should be supporting our local dentists by having it done here, "not having it done overseas", well i say bring on Bali again this May for another crown, that my dentist in Australia botched up after him making me feel bad about going to Bali.
My recommendation go have your teeth fixed in Bali 911 Kuta :):)
Select to expand quoteJimbill said..
i went to Bali in 2009 to get a crown done after a mate from work had a triple crown, whilst he was there on holiday. a triple crown cost him $900au at the 911 dentist in Kuta
Isn't the Triple Crown a Surf event in Hawaii???
I assume he had a 3 unit bridge placed.
To each his own, I'd just have reservations about having any invasive procedure performed in a country were it's not advisable to drink the running water. Just my 2 cents worth.
I wouldn't clean my teeth in tap water in Bali in 1980 , even surfing at Legion was like paddling in through turds , admittedly it was OK in the water further afield.
For any one to suggest that it is a good option to have any dental work done in a place like that , .....well good luck with that one !!!!!
Select to expand quotequikdrawMcgraw said..
^ Did you do a **** over there or your bot bot to precious for that.
you really are quik mcgraw
Yep have to be in my line of work pardner if your thinking of drawing on me youd better be picaso
