Select to expand quoteMacroscien said..Chris 249 said..
abusing scientific advisors
You are wrong again. When you said your wife is scientist, I love her already, you could tell her. I may hate you but in science world there is a code of conduct.
I prove me be right, she need to agree,
She prove her to be right , I have to give up, no offence taken.
Only dump dicks like you are offended but facts presented.
Australia is on fire !
shame on me to say so ! should be sorry!
Australia don't have to be on fire ! even worse. because we do warship our fires. Shame on me again.
Are you sure you can't post in your native language and see if Google translate does a better job of this?
Select to expand quotekato said..
Peter.Its really funny to the point of "want a punch in the nose" when you think that we go and fight fires cos it's well paid. We get slightly more per hr than normal ($7) , spend long days away from family, lots of smoke , dirt and hot work. And risk on not returning ever to loved ones. F Off
Everything I said in this topic was designed to make work for people like you easier or safer. I don't even claim that any of those have any value or expertise, just start for consideration, suggestions. Anybody could come with improvements or their own ideas on the subject. But seems that everybody is happy with status quo , no changes or improvements needed.
Everybody could come with obvious solution like pay rise for our firefighters but that doesn't solve the problem if first place, or doesn't require waste of 14 web pages. I accept the fact that none of my proposals was met with slightest enthusiasms, none of the improvements or contra proposal by others raised either. So lets leave whole bushfire business to Chris and Formula like to carry about, I am goin fishin on my own farm.
Situation reminds state of our democracy system, where one day everybody comes to polling station to vote on their favorites, only to start complaining on their own choice day after.
Since abortions save lives , why not to say now that bushfires save tree, animals and homes?
One may ask: Shouldn't I feel offended by total criticism, here on SB.
People bigger then me met similar failure .
Elon Musk possibly know as much about cave diving as me about bushfires.
His intentions was sincere to help. Asking nothing in return.Where should I fit my anti - bushfire program?
I note that idiot Michael McCormack has used his re-election to again state that these bushfires are NOT unprecedented, despite contrary statements from the fire authorities, the fire experts, the Prime Minister and Treasurer.
Honestly, that idiot needs to be held accountable by the people.
All you people who keep voting him in need to get your priorities straight.
Select to expand quoteTonyAbbott said..
Nah, the Greens are heaps worse
Why are you thinking about the Greens?
Who's suggesting a vote for the Greens would be any better?
Why does that statement excuse McCormack's pathetic statement?
The government, both state and federal, should have better prepared.
www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-06/rare-weather-event-over-antarctica-drives-hot-outlook/11481498
It is proven now that sudden drop in our Sun activity is responsible/ correlated with temperature growth!
Are you surprised by the results !?
climate.nasa.gov/faq/14/is-the-sun-causing-global-warming/?fbclid=IwAR31zuFDqIe1m1tClWx8NBEwkQSRotFYRxjUL0l1O64Vr7G7Lx-UXXbn30w
I am not.
Here is proposed mechanism and explanation of the phenomenon>
Since 1960 we install more and more solar panels,
Those solar panels draw limited resources from our Sun and also heat up our planet at the same time.
By continuing the usage of solar panels, we may exhaust Sun resources completely.
Imagine what would happen to the world if Sun stops shinning tomorrow?
Select to expand quoteFlySurfer said..
The government, both state and federal, should have better prepared.
www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-06/rare-weather-event-over-antarctica-drives-hot-outlook/11481498
They should retired, disbanded, disempowered legally and power handed back to the people. 
I love free speech. 
I've finally found some evidence to support the conspiracy theory that climate change is largely due to quote "natural variability".
It all surrounds a peculiar problem within the denialist's camp: their inability to fathom the concept of deductive reasoning.
globalna.info/2020/01/31/czy-australie-podpalono-bronia-o-ukierunkowanej-energii/
WAS AUSTRALIA FIRED ON WITH DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPON?
Select to expand quoteFlySurfer said..
globalna.info/2020/01/31/czy-australie-podpalono-bronia-o-ukierunkowanej-energii/
WAS AUSTRALIA FIRED ON WITH DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPON?
Totally fake news! Every kid knows that lasers used to ignite our bushes where infrared wave length. Since invisible for human eye and typical camera.
This conspiracy reminds a bit of Sonic Attack on US embassy by un-audible and even undetectable by most sensitive instruments sound waves.I suggest witch is most likely culprint. If we can find one and burn, problem is solved.
Select to expand quoteFlySurfer said..
globalna.info/2020/01/31/czy-australie-podpalono-bronia-o-ukierunkowanej-energii/
WAS AUSTRALIA FIRED ON WITH DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPON?
Oh wow conspiracy theorists are gullible. They just swallow any old crap. Look, for example, at the bizzarelly silly claim that the fires were done to clear a path for high speed rail. What sort of a compete moron is so stupid that they can't even look at a map properly, and see that is not true? What sort of idiot is so ignorant that they don't know that most of the fires were well off the alleged proposed railway route, and in mountainous terrain that is not suited to a railway?
Some of the biggest fires were around the Snowy, Mallacoota and the south coast of NSW - many kilometres from the path of any proposed railway line. Only an idiot would not know that. Most of the fires on the north coast were inland, in rugged country where no fast rail would be planned. You'd have to be a ****wit to not know that.
Who would be dumb enough to not look at those pics with "lasers" and NOT see that they were used earlier in an attempt to fool the gullible into thinking that the Californian fires were caused by lasers? Who is so ignorant of fires to NOT know that a straight, narrow tree - like the ones in the Australian pic - can burn in a straight and narrow line?
Who would be so dumb as to think that firies and whoever took the pics in Australia would not notice a plane above that was BURNING STUFF, not PUTTING IT OUT? What sort of brain dead microcephalic turkey is so stupid as to think that firies do not know what planes are operating around them?
This is childish stupidity of a breathtaking type - a type that is only believed by people who so lack the ability to think for themselves that they cannot even look at where the fires occurred, and see that most of them were miles from the alleged railway route.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..
Oh wow conspiracy theorists are gullible.
Agree, those lasers are totally nut nonsense.
According to the most recent census there are 15,000 witches living in Australia,
Most of them may hide in the bushes while doing their maru spells practices. We need to insist our Work Place Safety inspectors to immediately investigate if all are practiced with safety rules in place. Proper portable extinguisher is must have now., for any witch, specifically during fire prohibition season.Any spells involving sparks and sulfur also strictly prohibited. We could not afford to drown witches due to lack of water recently , and other means must invented.Burning witches is also not an option due to probability of spreading fire onto bushes.
www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-20/why-are-australians-turning-to-paganism-and-modern-witchcraft/8948824
We could feed withches to sharks or crocodiles. Which one will be more humanitarian culling option in your opinion?We are not barbarians, we need to do this properly.
Yep, blaming witches is as logical as blaming lasers!
Actually, witches are probably more logical than airborne lasers. At least a witch could light fires discreetly, unlike a flying laser generator.
The gullible fools who swallow this conspiracy crap are obviously too stupid to know that there often are lots of aircraft sitting above major fires. There are RFS observers as well as pilots and other aircrew. There's air traffic control, and controllers on the ground as well as firies, cops, and plenty of normal people who are sitting there, intensely watching the fires near their own houses. A mate who evacuated on the North Coast, for example, gave a detailed account of the fire bombers and lead aircraft that were working on his next door neighbour's place.
You'd have to be insane - and insanely naive and arrogant - to think that none of these people watching would see a freakin' laser beam flying around, not to mention the trifling fact that no such thing actually exists. Do these brain-dead fools actually think that the Firebird and tanker crews would not notice a strange aircraft causing the very flames the RFS aircraft are trying to put out?
What boils me up is not the stupidity of the people who promote this crap, but their vile nasty characters. They have such contempt for their fellow Australians that they think the normal people fearing for their houses and lives would not notice airborne lasers. They have so much arrogance and so much contempt for others that they think that firies and aircrew would not see this stuff, or would be in on the conspiracy. Anyone who thinks that there is a widespread conspiracy among RFS volunteers, which is what this would need, is a vile scumbag of the lowest type. The conspiracy theorists can't help being stupid, but they can help being arrogant.
If we need to feed the crocodiles, we could throw these vile conspiracy theorists into their pond - but they'd make any self respecting crocodile throw up, and even being turned into crocodile **** is too good for them.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..
Yep, blaming witches is as logical as blaming lasers!
Actually, witches are probably more logical than airborne lasers. After all, the gullible fools who swallow this conspiracy crap are obviously too stupid to know that there are lots of aircraft sitting above major fires. There are RFS observers as well as pilots and other aircrew. There's air traffic control, and controllers on the ground as well as firies, cops, and plenty of normal people who are sitting there, intensely watching the fires near their own houses. A mate who evacuated on the North Coast, for example, gave a detailed account of the fire bombers and lead aircraft that was working on his next door neighbour's place.
You'd have to be insane - and insanely naive and arrogant - to think that none of these people watching would see a freakin' laser beam flying around, not to mention the trifling fact that no such thing actually exists. Do these brain-dead fools actually think that the Firebird and tanker crews would not notice a strange aircraft causing the very flames the RFS aircraft are trying to put out?
What boils me up is not the stupidity of the people who promote this crap, but their vile nasty characters. They have such contempt for their fellow Australians that they think the normal people fearing for their houses and lives would not notice airborne lasers. They have so much arrogance and so much contempt for others that they think that firies and aircrew would not see this stuff, or would be in on the conspiracy. Anyone who thinks that there is a widespread conspiracy among RFS volunteers, which is what this would need, is a vile scumbag of the lowest type. The conspiracy theorists can't help being stupid, but they can help being arrogant.
If we need to feed the crocodiles, we could throw these vile conspiracy theorists into their pond - but they'd make any self respecting crocodile throw up, and even being turned into crocodile **** is too good for them.
sure, our friends will never bite us!
( or they could 
)
Ahh now I get it. One Nation showed the world that the government carried out the Port Arthur attacks so that they could change the gun laws and now we finally know that the "dry lightning" was fake news and that what really happened was that airborne lasers started the fires so right wing idiots on SB and Sky News could blame the Greens for everything because "they're the worst".
Problem solved.
Yep, it definitely happened...... because no one would notice a phreakin' 747 and a big laser beam wandering around the sky near fires, when hundreds of people are looking at it.
After all, it's not as if a 747 is big, or that it hangs up in the air where it can be seen by other pilots, observers, aircrew, RFS volunteers, professional firefighters, local residents or anyone else. Nope, the 747 is a tiny lil' tacker that skulks under rocks and shrubs, creeping silently around and quickly burrowing underground when anyone comes its way.
Anyone who is believes the fairytale FS brought up is too stupid to be able to read a map and a vicious scumbag who is insulting people who go out there and risk their lives to fight fires to help others, and who would see these supposed laser-carrying aircraft. It's hard to say what goes on in the minds of vile filth like that, but they are probably totally dishonest people themselves because only a warped, lying moron would think that hundreds of RFS volunteers and other people are in on the scam or would not notice a plane wandering around where it shouldn't be and firing lasers.
And anyone who thinks my remarks are over the top just has to consider that my insults are far milder than the insults the gullible conspiracy theorists believe. They are insulting people by claiming that others are engaged in mass murder and mass destruction or failing to stop it, which is far more serious than my insults.
Select to expand quoteholy guacamole said..
now we finally know that the "dry lightning"
Problem solved.
No, problem need to be solved.If dry thunderstorm is really responsible for most of our bush fires, we need to learn how to prevent dry lighting.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_thunderstorm
The first idea comes to mind will be sending our brave kiters into bushes with ultra long lines to defuse high voltage.
We may loose few kiters in the process but additional benefit could be creating our beaches much safer environment.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..FlySurfer said..Oh wow conspiracy theorists are gullible. They just swallow any old crap.
globalna.info/2020/01/31/czy-australie-podpalono-bronia-o-ukierunkowanej-energii/
WAS AUSTRALIA FIRED ON WITH DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPON?Select to expand quoteinsanely naive and arrogant - to think that none of these people watching would see a freakin' laser beam flying around, not to mention the trifling fact that no such thing actually exists.
I posted that to be amusing.
Btw the photoshop photo is a particle-beam and "lasers" don't fly around... well maybe the generator does.
I'm giving you a thumbs up to stroke your ego.
When I type "lasers" is in quotes, it's bcos I'm making reference to "lasers".
And why do you think I thought you actually believed it? The only time I mentioned you was when I said you brought it up; I didn't say you believed it. You are not the only person around, you know. Someone believes that crap enough for it to be passed around. Nowhere did I say that was you, although you do have a track record of swallowing lies hook and sinker, as when you posted the garbage about "climate warriors" getting stuck in the Arctic ice. Since you have posted that sort of complete and utter bull**** before, it's perfectly reasonable to think you may post more bull****.
By the way, when I said "no such thing exists", I assumed it would have been obvious that it was a reference to a laser mounted in an aircraft that could set fire to bush - after all, that was what the post was about. Since I'd already mentioned lasers in an earlier post, only a ****wit would think I was not aware they existed.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..
And why do you think I thought you actually believed it? The only time I mentioned you was when I said you brought it up; I didn't say you believed it. You are not the only person around, you know. Someone believes that crap enough for it to be passed around. Nowhere did I say that was you, although you do have a track record of swallowing lies hook and sinker, as when you posted the garbage about "climate warriors" getting stuck in the Arctic ice. Since you have posted that sort of complete and utter bull**** before, it's perfectly reasonable to think you may post more bull****.
By the way, when I said "no such thing exists", I assumed it would have been obvious that it was a reference to a laser mounted in an aircraft that could set fire to bush - after all, that was what the post was about. Since I'd already mentioned lasers in an earlier post, only a ****wit would think I was not aware they existed.
Touche, amended the post.
But wait, didn't Macroscien show you the Boeing YAL-1? I assumed the particle beam generator would be in orbit.
Also I vaguely remember posting "climate warriors" getting stuck in the Arctic ice... are you saying that didn't happen?
I don't take this forum too seriously and I do post tabloidic material... bcos otherwise I'm just parroting the 6 o'clock news.
Pretty sure I also posted this a while back, but here it is again...
Select to expand quoteholy guacamole said..
I've finally found some evidence to support the conspiracy theory that climate change is largely due to quote "natural variability".
It all surrounds a peculiar problem within the denialist's camp: their inability to fathom the concept of deductive reasoning.
its obvious that its not possible to have a discussion on AGW with a AGW denialist, Liberal or National Party backers or Fossil Fuel Bots (they are all the same). There are very similar deductive powers as in the video to the deniers.
Select to expand quoteFlySurfer said..Chris 249 said..
And why do you think I thought you actually believed it? The only time I mentioned you was when I said you brought it up; I didn't say you believed it. You are not the only person around, you know. Someone believes that crap enough for it to be passed around. Nowhere did I say that was you, although you do have a track record of swallowing lies hook and sinker, as when you posted the garbage about "climate warriors" getting stuck in the Arctic ice. Since you have posted that sort of complete and utter bull**** before, it's perfectly reasonable to think you may post more bull****.
By the way, when I said "no such thing exists", I assumed it would have been obvious that it was a reference to a laser mounted in an aircraft that could set fire to bush - after all, that was what the post was about. Since I'd already mentioned lasers in an earlier post, only a ****wit would think I was not aware they existed.
Touche, amended the post.
But wait, didn't Macroscien show you the Boeing YAL-1? I assumed the particle beam generator would be in orbit.
Also I vaguely remember posting "climate warriors" getting stuck in the Arctic ice... are you saying that didn't happen?
I don't take this forum too seriously and I do post tabloidic material... bcos otherwise I'm just parroting the 6 o'clock news.
Pretty sure I also posted this a while back, but here it is again...
Yes, you posted this;
FlySurfer said..
Climate alarmists stuck in ice trying to prove there's no ice... evacuated by global warming helicopter.
www.climatedepot.com/2019/09/09/climate-warriors-filming-documentary-stuck-in-arctic-ice-all-16-climate-activists-evacuated-from-ship-by-helicopter/
A previous alarmist attempt to prove melting ice had to turn back in JULY bcos: 'We had expected more melting': Thick Arctic ice forces Norwegian climate research icebreaker to turn back.
Which was complete and utter bull****. They were NOT "climate alarmists" and they were not "filming a documentary". They were a bunch of middle-aged guys who were trying to recreate an earlier exploratory expedition. The leader of the trip has tried to correct the story, but the denialist sites refuse to listen to him telling them the truth.
See svalbardposten.no/nyheter/ut-mot-massiv-feilinformasjon/19.11400
By the way, the ship was just stuck in ice for one day. It happens. The wind shifts and blows the ice around. The captain and crew stayed aboard and got the ship out a day later; see
icepeople.net/tag/ms-malmo/
www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/21460-passengers-airlifted-in-svalbard-as-ship-is-stuck-in-ice.html
Here's the leader's FB page, complete with info about a similar expedition last year. www.facebook.com/tore.topp.1
2- No, the Norwegian icebreaker did NOT turn back because of thick Arctic ice. It had propeller bearing trouble; "there was a leak in the port propeller's house and Crown Prince Haakon had to cancel the cruise."
See the story from the ship's operator here, complete with pics of the affected area;
www.hi.no/hi/nyheter/2019/juli/pakning-arsak-til-toktavbrudd
It didn't take much digging to find out that the stories were bull**** and find out what really happened, complete with pics, interviews with the people involved, and technical information. Why sling **** at people without checking the facts? Why claim to be so much smarter than scientists with Nobel Prizes, when you can't even sniff out BS?
The irony, a bunch of climate scientist aka alarmists trying to prove their predetermined warming and melting ice theory gets stuck in the ice
Australian tax payers funded these climate clowns
That was in 2003, there was a story about another one recently, but not Australians this time. Still climate alarmists get stuck in ice they are saying should not exist
I've been out working outside for 20 years and it's the last couple of years it's getting impossible to work through the middle months of the summer .
Its heat wave or torrential rains & this is in Sydney.
So I'm already feeling the effects it's now reducing by a month or two my working year .
Should I budget for three next year it's really noticeable.
And it's not just me it's right across the board nobody can work outside building
Most of Australia is uninhabitable & with climate change more will become so at an ever increasing rate & that is happening right now & the drought & bushfires are proof .
Ok a couple of things one carbon emissions when they started out were actually a great thing & reversed an ice age we were heading into but it's gone far & must be reversed now .
We humans only really live on a tiny part of the planet that's sustainable for our life & we really have to manage our global climate by regulating our atmosphere to keep ticking along we don't want warming making more of the planet uninhabitable especially with an increasing population we really need to have a climate that increases habitable land and we don't want to be going to far the other way & reduce carbon so far we go into an ice age .
It doesn't really matter if you believe in climate change or not it the climate has to be managed or we become extinct .
We have already been through the exact same stuff with smoking big tobacco lied & the anti smoking movement lied & that just dragged **** out longer because both sides spent so much time arguing over the lies .
Its finally proven & society changed
Its been a few years & smoking has become the equivalent of having corona virus in most people's eyes .
If you told someone that society attitude would change so much so fast in the eighties they wouldn't believe you .
Now we face the exact same situation we have big petroleum supporting everything to debunk global warming & because there is so much hysteria out there & complete lies from alarmist they can disprove that & keep the question open for longer.
It's the exact same tactics big tobacco used .
Global warming is real & action has to be taken now .
Or we have to consider human extinction in a couple of generations
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..
[/b]FlySurfer said..
Climate alarmists stuck in ice trying to prove there's no ice... evacuated by global warming helicopter.
www.climatedepot.com/2019/09/09/climate-warriors-filming-documentary-stuck-in-arctic-ice-all-16-climate-activists-evacuated-from-ship-by-helicopter/
A previous alarmist attempt to prove melting ice had to turn back in JULY bcos: 'We had expected more melting': Thick Arctic ice forces Norwegian climate research icebreaker to turn back.
You know you're communicating w/ somebody who wears Rick and Morty shirts w/ explicit words to work.
Select to expand quoteTonyAbbott said..
The irony, a bunch of climate scientist aka alarmists trying to prove their predetermined warming and melting ice theory gets stuck in the ice
Australian tax payers funded these climate clowns
That was in 2003, there was a story about another one recently, but not Australians this time. Still climate alarmists get stuck in ice they are saying should not exist
The last Australian one that sounds like that was the Australian expedition aboard Akademik Shokalsky. If that's the one you're referring to, you're talking BS. They did NOT get stuck in ice they were saying should not exist. The Shokalsky was stuck in sea ice on an expedition "to explore changes in ocean circulation caused by the growth of extensive fast ice".
"Fast ice" is different to "sea ice" - one is stuck fast to the shore (hence the term "fast ice) and one is on the sea (guess which one...). "Growth" is different to "should not exist". There was a lot of denialist BS about the Shokalsky expedition being stuck in ice that they said should not exist. Some denialist dickhead here, for example, said that the Shokalsky was over 100km away from Antarctica when they got stuck and in the typical dishonest denialist style, was too gutless to admit they were wrong.
It sounds like you may be another person falling for denialist rubbish. It's sad - I remember when the right wing was the guys who were into science and objective truth; now they are into spin.
Select to expand quoteactiomax said..
I've been out working outside for 20 years and it's the last couple of years it's getting impossible to work through the middle months of the summer .
Its heat wave or torrential rains & this is in Sydney.
So I'm already feeling the effects it's now reducing by a month or two my working year .
Should I budget for three next year it's really noticeable.
And it's not just me it's right across the board nobody can work outside building
Most of Australia is uninhabitable & with climate change more will become so at an ever increasing rate & that is happening right now & the drought & bushfires are proof .
I don't doubt you, and on the other side of the world they're complaining about polar vortexes, snow in Texas, snowed in for days... and one group is blaming this ALL on one molecule, CO2 which is 0.04% and they have a solution for you... the green new deal. Which may prevent you from working at all.
Sydney suffers really badly from urban heat island... they need more greenery, but then people complain about urban sprawl.
CO2 were it to act like they claim would have an homogenizing effect... cooler summers, warmer winters.
I've expressed my opinion that geomagnetism plays an important role, but people seem reluctant to even entertain this, so prepare yourself for the green new deal, which is going global ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/european-green-deal_en it may sound like an awesome idea, but they're selling you a fantasy in exchange for total and complete control of your life and industry.
Select to expand quoteTonyAbbott said..
Relax, everything is ok. There is no climate emergency.
listen to the scientists
Oh god, the hypocrisy. The guy in the vid, Berkhout, is NOT a climate scientist. He was, however, a founder of the Delphi Consortium which is engaged in fossil fuel exploration technology.
It's weird that denialists can claim that climate scientists are biased because of funding they don't personally benefit from, and yet pretend that someone like Berkhout, who was a founder of an outfit that works for oil companies, is not biased.
It used to be that the right wing pretended to be logical, hard-headed, evidence-based people. It's sad that they've given up that and now just swallow any BS that comes their way.
