I was pretty happy with the Ozone PR 4.3 from the typical 17-25kt range.
That thing flies so well even when fully depowered. Yet, the line lengths became really an issue for me when packing/deploying.
therefore, decide to sell the Ozone PR and get the BRM Ka'a.
It was love at first sign when unpacking. Canopy material, lines aesthetic. then today the first day in the water came in pretty gusty and gnarly 15-30kt conditions. I ride with no harness.
I saw Greg's video on hand placement when taking off (palms up) and when riding (palms down) and I get why he is advocating that.
But when completed the jibe, holding the parawing with one hand while trying to depower upwind on toeside, that think pulled sooo much and became completely uncontrollable.
The Ozone pw and bar allowed you to fly thru nuking gusts even with one hand. With the BRM v2 there is no way I could hold the pw in one hand trying to depower.
I kinda hated that bar. But then on forums and YT I see folks going crazy for that shorter bar.
What am I missing here.
Have you experienced same?
Select to expand quoteSlowlyButSurely said..
I was pretty happy with the Ozone PR 4.3 from the typical 17-25kt range.
That thing flies so well even when fully depowered. Yet, the line lengths became really an issue for me when packing/deploying.
therefore, decide to sell the Ozone PR and get the BRM Ka'a.
It was love at first sign when unpacking. Canopy material, lines aesthetic. then today the first day in the water came in pretty gusty and gnarly 15-30kt conditions. I ride with no harness.
I saw Greg's video on hand placement when taking off (palms up) and when riding (palms down) and I get why he is advocating that.
But when completed the jibe, holding the parawing with one hand while trying to depower upwind on toeside, that think pulled sooo much and became completely uncontrollable.
The Ozone pw and bar allowed you to fly thru nuking gusts even with one hand. With the BRM v2 there is no way I could hold the pw in one hand trying to depower.
I kinda hated that bar. But then on forums and YT I see folks going crazy for that shorter bar.
What am I missing here.
Have you experienced same?
How were you holding the bar when you were getting yanked? You want to be sure to be as far forward on the bar as you can. There is a powered position where the front lines are either just next to your index finger or you span the index finger over the front line. To get more depower, move the front line connection between your middle or ring fingers, can't remember.
Riding toeside two handed can result in your single hand being stuck in the powered position when you let go of your front hand. I ride with a harness line when overpowered so I can easily stick with one hand on the front of the bar at the perfect setting, allowing power/depower by small wrist articulation. I use a reverse hook harness and typically have it just on the inside of the front lines.
I don't have a solution, just will chime in and say that's the tradeoff. BRM has epic takeoff ability and packing. Ozone handles gusts and goes upwind like a legend.
I sold my BRM's to switch to the Ozones because of exactly what you are describing. I ride in the gusty Columbia River Gorge. 20-40 knots is not uncommon. So, the BRM wasn't right for me.
Yeah Bwalnut. OP, what size were you on? It could be as simple as needing to size down. Tricky though, as if you need the power to get on foil, you could be stuck being overpowered. Harness is your friend either way.
I have both wings in different sizes. it's just the nature of each wing, the Ka'a does sit a lot deeper in the window so pulls more down wind. im really enjoying the bar on the Ka'a, i like it better than the ozone, might just take getting used to.
In these winds, I will be riding the Kanaha 2.5m, probably an experience between the ozone and the ka'a. In 35 knt plus starts to feel unpleasant, but riding it in the harness always feels under control. Gibes are no problem if you reduce tension by going downwind. Parawing down is always easier.
That is the critical point I was referring to.
exiting from a jibe and holding the pw on one hand toe side, before switching feet.
well, with the Ozone I could handle that step relatively ok. with the BRM, when overpowered it's really really hard. You get yanked downwind even if you fully twist your wrist to fly the pw on the front lines.
Yep, that's the danger zone.
You could try killing the parawing as you do your gybe, switch the bar to your right hand, redeploy. This way the shockload is hitting your rear, protected shoulder and you can get your second hand on quickly. I had the Ka'a ripped from my hand a few times in that position. It gybed great but then was too juiced as I turned upwind.
Select to expand quoteBWalnut said..
I don't have a solution, just will chime in and say that's the tradeoff. BRM has epic takeoff ability and packing. Ozone handles gusts and goes upwind like a legend.
I sold my BRM's to switch to the Ozones because of exactly what you are describing. I ride in the gusty Columbia River Gorge. 20-40 knots is not uncommon. So, the BRM wasn't right for me.
Hi Brian what size ozone pr would you recommend for a 70 kg on a 7;4 cuda in 12 to 25 knots cheers Rich
Thats a tough recommendation. I'd scrounge around for someone using them in that windspeed. I'm 86kg and using the 3m with a Silk 1050 and Sunova Aviator, 6'6"x18"x90l reliably at 22-23 knots. 700 enduro and 5'11"x20"x77l Carver up to 27 knots (these are averages). Beyond that I go 2.4m.
So, I'd hope the 3.6m would be the right call for your kit and weight but that's a guess, not a well informed recommendation!
Select to expand quoteSlowlyButSurely said..
I was pretty happy with the Ozone PR 4.3 from the typical 17-25kt range.
That thing flies so well even when fully depowered. Yet, the line lengths became really an issue for me when packing/deploying.
therefore, decide to sell the Ozone PR and get the BRM Ka'a.
It was love at first sign when unpacking. Canopy material, lines aesthetic. then today the first day in the water came in pretty gusty and gnarly 15-30kt conditions. I ride with no harness.
I saw Greg's video on hand placement when taking off (palms up) and when riding (palms down) and I get why he is advocating that.
But when completed the jibe, holding the parawing with one hand while trying to depower upwind on toeside, that think pulled sooo much and became completely uncontrollable.
The Ozone pw and bar allowed you to fly thru nuking gusts even with one hand. With the BRM v2 there is no way I could hold the pw in one hand trying to depower.
I kinda hated that bar. But then on forums and YT I see folks going crazy for that shorter bar.
What am I missing here.
Have you experienced same?
What size are you on?
I would be on the 2.9m in those conditions.
Select to expand quotefoilthegreats said..SlowlyButSurely said..
I was pretty happy with the Ozone PR 4.3 from the typical 17-25kt range.
That thing flies so well even when fully depowered. Yet, the line lengths became really an issue for me when packing/deploying.
therefore, decide to sell the Ozone PR and get the BRM Ka'a.
It was love at first sign when unpacking. Canopy material, lines aesthetic. then today the first day in the water came in pretty gusty and gnarly 15-30kt conditions. I ride with no harness.
I saw Greg's video on hand placement when taking off (palms up) and when riding (palms down) and I get why he is advocating that.
But when completed the jibe, holding the parawing with one hand while trying to depower upwind on toeside, that think pulled sooo much and became completely uncontrollable.
The Ozone pw and bar allowed you to fly thru nuking gusts even with one hand. With the BRM v2 there is no way I could hold the pw in one hand trying to depower.
I kinda hated that bar. But then on forums and YT I see folks going crazy for that shorter bar.
What am I missing here.
Have you experienced same?
What size are you on?
I would be on the 2.9m in those conditions.
Good point. I pushed the range of the 4.2 for sure. Fact is that with the Ozone I could. With the BRM for sure I will need a quiver of 2 or 3
Select to expand quoteSlowlyButSurely said..foilthegreats said..SlowlyButSurely said..
I was pretty happy with the Ozone PR 4.3 from the typical 17-25kt range.
That thing flies so well even when fully depowered. Yet, the line lengths became really an issue for me when packing/deploying.
therefore, decide to sell the Ozone PR and get the BRM Ka'a.
It was love at first sign when unpacking. Canopy material, lines aesthetic. then today the first day in the water came in pretty gusty and gnarly 15-30kt conditions. I ride with no harness.
I saw Greg's video on hand placement when taking off (palms up) and when riding (palms down) and I get why he is advocating that.
But when completed the jibe, holding the parawing with one hand while trying to depower upwind on toeside, that think pulled sooo much and became completely uncontrollable.
The Ozone pw and bar allowed you to fly thru nuking gusts even with one hand. With the BRM v2 there is no way I could hold the pw in one hand trying to depower.
I kinda hated that bar. But then on forums and YT I see folks going crazy for that shorter bar.
What am I missing here.
Have you experienced same?
What size are you on?
I would be on the 2.9m in those conditions.
Good point. I pushed the range of the 4.2 for sure. Fact is that with the Ozone I could. With the BRM for sure I will need a quiver of 2 or 3
Ya, that's your answer. Not going to ride a 4.2m Ka'a over 20 KTS comfortably.
For me at 85kg:
Ka'a:
4.2m 10-20kts
3.6m 15-25kts
2.9m 20-30kts
Can definitely squeeze a bit more out using a harness but that is the ideal range when they feel magic.
Select to expand quoterichw said..BWalnut said..
I don't have a solution, just will chime in and say that's the tradeoff. BRM has epic takeoff ability and packing. Ozone handles gusts and goes upwind like a legend.
I sold my BRM's to switch to the Ozones because of exactly what you are describing. I ride in the gusty Columbia River Gorge. 20-40 knots is not uncommon. So, the BRM wasn't right for me.
Hi Brian what size ozone pr would you recommend for a 70 kg on a 7;4 cuda in 12 to 25 knots cheers Rich
After a few goes on an ozone and Ka'a I think 12-25 is asking a lot from one PW. I'm saying this from very limited use in mixed conditions.
Select to expand quoteGrantmac said..
Is a 4.2 of any sort actually working in 10kts?
I have tons of good sessions in 10-15 kts with my 4.2 Ka'a on KT 7' 19" 100L and AFS Silk 1050/152 or Enduro 1300/42 depending on swell size.
Select to expand quotefoilthegreats said..Grantmac said..
Is a 4.2 of any sort actually working in 10kts?
I have tons of good sessions in 10-15 kts with my 4.2 Ka'a on KT 7' 19" 100L and AFS Silk 1050/152 or Enduro 1300/42 depending on swell size.
Yep same for me, be it I'm a light rider riding 57L Appletree DW Prone, Armstrong 1080 and 880 HA. Ka'a is very fun to ride at my local spots.
