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konrad wingman wings

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Created by martyman > 9 months ago, 11 Oct 2020
martyman
WA, 366 posts
11 Oct 2020 2:28PM
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anybody get on one of these yet?

hilly
WA, 7877 posts
11 Oct 2020 6:46PM
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This little frother goes alright on them>
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WA Surf & Foil
WA, 250 posts
15 Oct 2020 9:52AM
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We have just got stock in so will try and do a test soon !!

Cheers
Jason
WA Surf

martyman
WA, 366 posts
20 Oct 2020 12:50PM
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WA Surf & Foil said..
We have just got stock in so will try and do a test soon !!

Cheers
Jason
WA Surf


Let's hear it Jason!(please)

Alysum
NSW, 1030 posts
20 Oct 2020 4:15PM
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The Konrad website needs a serious update for the new foils, wings etc...

hairybear01
SA, 32 posts
20 Oct 2020 8:25PM
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Can anyone talk about this statement from the website, with pros and cons of this design compared to others without the panel.
"The canopy shape collapses when depowered due to the infill panel which allows maximum wind range per size and greater efficiency due to less airfoil deformation under rider load"

martyman
WA, 366 posts
26 Oct 2020 12:25PM
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I cant explain that statement but I've had a couple sessions on my 4m now.
Excellant wing, good power and incredible drift. I'm switching from WASP's to these quite happily.

Alysum
NSW, 1030 posts
26 Oct 2020 4:20PM
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The windows are ridiculously tiny, they are like port holes which I guess goes well with their anchor logo

If you're going to put windows, use them properly or ditch them ! They are not the only brand doing tiny windows though but it's a worrying trend.

pro merc
NSW, 300 posts
27 Oct 2020 11:14AM
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It's better to have some windows than nothing. You can see enough out of the V2 windows.

The infill panel allows the turbulence to dissipate when sheeting out in overpowered conditions. Most of the good wings on the market use this tech. The Wingman is a well-balanced wing, light to fly, and really well behaved. It does not want to dip the tips or go wild when flagged out.

martyman
WA, 366 posts
27 Oct 2020 12:24PM
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pro merc said..
It's better to have some windows than nothing. You can see enough out of the V2 windows.

The infill panel allows the turbulence to dissipate when sheeting out in overpowered conditions. Most of the good wings on the market use this tech. The Wingman is a well-balanced wing, light to fly, and really well behaved. It does not want to dip the tips or go wild when flagged out.


agree completely.

Windoc
442 posts
2 Nov 2020 6:20AM
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Quick review of 4M Konrad Wingman V2 after 10hrs use so far:

Pros:

Light handling
Very well balanced and well behaved drifting, tacking and jibing
Good low end pumping ability
windows are just right size (small)
Seems durable so far with full body high speed impacts (!)
Dump valves on boom and main tube allow super fast deflate (love this)
Minimalist design impression
Fast inflate time
Stiff airframe (little flexing)
Doesn't bounce erratically on the surface off the leash while restarting like an Ozone WASP V1.

Cons:

Leash feels slightly too short (especially if tying off to front handle) and looks a bit budget. This is only an impression.
Doesn't like being overpowered (heavy flapping in trailing edge) and gets backwinded in high end of range.
No included instructions or extras other than zip ties and spare repair material. Konrad website is not great and has not been updated with much info on new products.
Possibly too minimalist for some, but is light due to fewer bells/whistles.
Tendency for wing to roll a bit in heavy gusts beating up wind.
Doesn't appear to be overly fast feeling, but this is only an impression.
Would be nice to have more colour options (I think they're launching more colour ways soon?)
Handles feel a bit rough on long sessions.

I've only flown V1 Ozone Wasps previously and am super impressed how dialled they were for a first generation wing. The V2 Konrad is generally a very well performing wing. If it stepped up in terms of high end stability and had less flutter, it would be truly incredible. To be fair, I was pushing the wing into winds gusting over 35 knots and I'm over 200 pounds. It handles nicely in its proper power band however. Compared to the Wasp V1, the Konrad's boom strut extends further but has much shorter wingtips but similar sized tubes from a quick glance comparing the two. The Konrad feels like it's geared more towards wave riding than free riding and speeding along. It's really a dream to drift and so well behaved going down wind; I'd love to see its upwind ability and stability match its other strengths. The Ozone in comparison seems to be better behaved overpowered and slotting into an upwind groove but doesn't have quite the same impeccable manners drifting off the front handle downwind as the Konrad. I'd be happy on either, but its the down wind drifting aspect that's most fun, so I'd lean toward the Konrad for this purpose.



bigtone667
NSW, 1543 posts
2 Nov 2020 11:01AM
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@ 35 knots, I think it's okay that the trailing edge flutters on a 4m. :-)

My rule of thumb is to down size the wing once the flapping starts when you are powered up.

Windoc
442 posts
2 Nov 2020 10:51AM
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@ 35 knots, I think it's okay that the trailing edge flutters on a 4m. :-)

My rule of thumb is to down size the wing once the flapping starts when you are powered up.


Absolutely. 4m is my smallest wing so it's getting pushed beyond design intentions. The fluttering happens much earlier than 35 knots though and the wing could be more stable/quiet even in the 25 knot range. Perhaps a leech tensioning line could help reduce the motoring? I'm sure this will improve over time as designers dial in elements of these wings in the same way windsurfing sails and kites have all seen increased range over time. We're still only in the V2-3 at the moment so it's very early days yet. Anyway, the Konrad is a nice option in the market.

pro merc
NSW, 300 posts
3 Nov 2020 9:32AM
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The print on there saying not to attach leash should have been removed on the V2. It's been reinforced to handle flagging out.
You can attach the leash to the inflate leash attachment now.
This should make the leash more manageable. You can always add a pigtail to it if you think it's too short!

Windoc
442 posts
3 Nov 2020 1:21PM
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pro merc said..
The print on there saying not to attach leash should have been removed on the V2. It's been reinforced to handle flagging out.
You can attach the leash to the inflate leash attachment now.
This should make the leash more manageable. You can always add a pigtail to it if you think it's too short!


Good to know; thanks!

Jethrow
NSW, 1273 posts
3 Nov 2020 5:12PM
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Sorry, can I just get a bit of clarification on the leash attachment?

I have just got a V1 Konrad and there is a small sewn rope loop that I assume is the safety line for when pumping. I'm guessing I don't attach the leash to this? The handles seem much stronger and more "Fit for task"?

Thanks

murf
SA, 478 posts
5 Nov 2020 8:10AM
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I have the new Konrad Wingman V2 in 3,4, 6

They are a really stable easy to fly wing. They do not have the tendency to nose into the water like I have found some wings try to do. For their size they have a lot of bottom end power and have a large wind range, you do notice a bit of flutter of the wings when they hit their top end. The drift on these wings are amazing when waveriding or downwinding, you can just drop the wing grab the front handle and it just sits there.

From a construction point of view they seem pretty bulletproof with plenty of protection on the leading edge. I found I need to extend the leash on the 6m as the middle strut is quite long. The handles are nicely positioned and have a good feel to them and there is also a harness line attachment if you want to do that. The one pump works well and the new dump valve on the middle strut is great when deflating. The bags are also a really nice construction and large to fit the wings in easily. The windows are also positioned well so when you fold the wings up you don't crease them either.

Overall it's a really well built great thought out wing. Its also Aussie designed!

pro merc
NSW, 300 posts
5 Nov 2020 10:21AM
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Jethrow said..
Sorry, can I just get a bit of clarification on the leash attachment?

I have just got a V1 Konrad and there is a small sewn rope loop that I assume is the safety line for when pumping. I'm guessing I don't attach the leash to this? The handles seem much stronger and more "Fit for task"?

Thanks


On the V1 it's best to tie off at the front of the front handle or the LE handle.The V2 has the leash attachment heavily reinforced to handle the abuse of leashing out in strong conditions.

Brink7
NSW, 225 posts
19 Nov 2020 6:52AM
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I'm a complete beginner after abandoning the whole winging idea last summer because I had such a crappy time with the Naish V1 (4m). I sold the naish after 5 or 6 attempts thinking it was all too hard, too slow and a bit boring.

This 5m Konrad is way more powerful, on my first attempt to use it I spent an hour riding my 32L prone board in 18kts, without too much trouble. Suddenly winging seems way more fun!

My leash did snap after the first wave hit it though, so can agree with the other comments about it not being up to task. .

How do I tell if I have the V1 or V2? (I don't want to attach my new (bodyboard) leash to the pump pig tail in case I have the V1)

pro merc
NSW, 300 posts
23 Nov 2020 12:50PM
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The V1 has long windows. V2 has a small triangular shape window.



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