Hi, if like me you aren't the tallest human being then Wingspan data is very important in bigger wings. I'm looking for a 6m I can actually pump. I can't believe companies don't actually publish this. It's like selling a new car without publishing dimensions.
Can you add to this 6m list?
Takoon V2.......... 3.54m
Gong SP V3 ........3.07m
Gong Droid V3 ....3.43m
Airush Nitro ........3.28m
Takuma RS (6.2) 3.45m
Unit? CWC? Strike 5.5m? Mantis V2?
Here's a google drive that the community has been filling out over the years.
Add what you can:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17xbTGEWSVeRhnYb_4vz_Gmby8UnrDys7Q1iB-6rC6F4/htmlview?fbclid=IwAR0blZdaauvGIWgofBRAOyHYBhOS290GQfG0Y0KA3az2Dv5nVfZ_9cZia0Y#
Nova 6m .................3.30m
Nova Lightwind 6m 3.34m
Wasp V3...5.7m.......3.55m
Slick SLS..................3.63m
Select to expand quoteNordRoi said..
that doesn't say much, dihedral must be take in consideration.
It's a good indicator, the measurement from wing tip to wing tip??
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IanInca said..
Unfortunately that spreadsheet has all V1 Wings not current.
Maybe consider adding to it while you compile your data.
Select to expand quoteIanInca said..
Unfortunately that spreadsheet has all V1 Wings not current.
Maybe consider adding to it while you compile your data.
Takoon V2.......... 3.54m
Gong SP V3 ............3.07m
Gong Droid V3 ........3.43m
Airush Nitro ............3.28m
Takuma RS (6.2) .....3.45m
Nova 6m .................3.30m
Nova Lightwind 6m 3.34m
Wasp V3...5.7m.......3.55m
Slick SLS..................3.63m
PPC V1 5.8m...........3.52m
Select to expand quoteIanInca said..NordRoi said..
that doesn't say much, dihedral must be take in consideration.
It's a good indicator, the measurement from wing tip to wing tip??
Not really, some larger wingspan touches less water than shorter wingspan just because they have more dihedral.
Yes I appreciate that but if companies don't publish all the data it's impossible to know. The wingspan gives a really good idea. I remember the original Fone Swing 5m was a really big wingspan and I struggled pumping it. The only company to produce comprehensive data is Gong. They show an image with how it looks when flying compared to the others in their range. Companies say " ...the dihedral design makes it less likely to touch in pumping.." etc. .. that could mean anything, super vague.
The other thing is I've just pumped my 5.8 PPC wing up to measure the wingspan which is 3.52m. In really low wind I can't pump it effectively as it catches. If the dihedral had a bigger angle then surely the wingspan would be smaller anyway? Therefore for pumping onto foil the wingspan is very relevant unless I'm missing something.
Dihedral could be measured by putting one wingtip on the ground while strut is also on the ground and measuring the rise off the ground on the other wingtip and divide by 2.
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..
Dihedral could be measured by putting one wingtip on the ground while strut is also on the ground and measuring the rise off the ground on the other wingtip and divide by 2.
Yes but when I'm holding onto the strut about to pump onto foil this doesn't make any difference. My 3.52m wingspan is still 3.52 held in my hand irrelevant of what the dihedral is.
RRD Y27 .......3.65m
What's super important at the larger sizes is the span of that trailing wing tip while you're holding it at 45 degrees at the start and pumping.
Most will drag in the water.
The F-one CWC by design is tapered so when you're holding in flying position at the start/pumping the trailing edge is parallel to the water and effectively acts like a much shorter wing span.
Select to expand quotedrlazone said..
What's super important at the larger sizes is the span of that trailing wing tip while you're holding it at 45 degrees at the start and pumping.
Most will drag in the water.
The F-one CWC by design is tapered so when you're holding in flying position at the start/pumping the trailing edge is parallel to the water and effectively acts like a much shorter wing span.
That's very true and I hadn't thought of that. The gong super power is only a smidge over 3m but the trailing edges must be massive. Interesting Patrice the owner of Gong shows how he thinks u should pump tighter wings. Up and down...it's still has the 45 degree angle u mentioned.
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Select to expand quoteIanInca said..MidAtlanticFoil said..
Dihedral could be measured by putting one wingtip on the ground while strut is also on the ground and measuring the rise off the ground on the other wingtip and divide by 2.
Yes but when I'm holding onto the strut about to pump onto foil this doesn't make any difference. My 3.52m wingspan is still 3.52 held in my hand irrelevant of what the dihedral is.
RRD Y27 .......3.65m
I disagree. A flatter wing will result in the wingtip being closer to the water surface compared to a wing with a dehedral when pumping onto foil, all things constant. It's that critical portion of the pump phase where the wing is pulled in where the wingtip grab occurs. An extra 6" of flair/dihedral out away from the water makes a big difference. Depth of strut and depth of handles also make a difference if you want to get really critical.
A flat wing with a 3.65 wingspan will certainly catch the water more than a 3.65 high dihedral wingspan.
I would agree with you if you are talking about sheeting in with the wing perfectly vertical, but that is not proper technique for launching larger wings
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..IanInca said..MidAtlanticFoil said..
Dihedral could be measured by putting one wingtip on the ground while strut is also on the ground and measuring the rise off the ground on the other wingtip and divide by 2.
Yes but when I'm holding onto the strut about to pump onto foil this doesn't make any difference. My 3.52m wingspan is still 3.52 held in my hand irrelevant of what the dihedral is.
RRD Y27 .......3.65m
I disagree. A flatter wing will result in the wingtip being closer to the water surface compared to a wing with a dehedral when pumping onto foil, all things constant. It's that critical portion of the pump phase where the wing is pulled in where the wingtip grab occurs. An extra 6" of flair/dihedral out away from the water makes a big difference. Depth of strut and depth of handles also make a difference if you want to get really critical.
A flat wing with a 3.65 wingspan will certainly catch the water more than a 3.65 high dihedral wingspan.
I would agree with you if you are talking about sheeting in with the wing perfectly vertical, but that is not proper technique for launching larger wings
Awesome, I'm with you now... I'm learning..
Select to expand quoteIanInca said..MidAtlanticFoil said..IanInca said..MidAtlanticFoil said..
Dihedral could be measured by putting one wingtip on the ground while strut is also on the ground and measuring the rise off the ground on the other wingtip and divide by 2.
Yes but when I'm holding onto the strut about to pump onto foil this doesn't make any difference. My 3.52m wingspan is still 3.52 held in my hand irrelevant of what the dihedral is.
RRD Y27 .......3.65m
I disagree. A flatter wing will result in the wingtip being closer to the water surface compared to a wing with a dehedral when pumping onto foil, all things constant. It's that critical portion of the pump phase where the wing is pulled in where the wingtip grab occurs. An extra 6" of flair/dihedral out away from the water makes a big difference. Depth of strut and depth of handles also make a difference if you want to get really critical.
A flat wing with a 3.65 wingspan will certainly catch the water more than a 3.65 high dihedral wingspan.
I would agree with you if you are talking about sheeting in with the wing perfectly vertical, but that is not proper technique for launching larger wings
Awesome, I'm with you now... I'm learning..
We are all learning that's the beauty of this new sport!
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..IanInca said..MidAtlanticFoil said..IanInca said..MidAtlanticFoil said..
Dihedral could be measured by putting one wingtip on the ground while strut is also on the ground and measuring the rise off the ground on the other wingtip and divide by 2.
Yes but when I'm holding onto the strut about to pump onto foil this doesn't make any difference. My 3.52m wingspan is still 3.52 held in my hand irrelevant of what the dihedral is.
RRD Y27 .......3.65m
I disagree. A flatter wing will result in the wingtip being closer to the water surface compared to a wing with a dehedral when pumping onto foil, all things constant. It's that critical portion of the pump phase where the wing is pulled in where the wingtip grab occurs. An extra 6" of flair/dihedral out away from the water makes a big difference. Depth of strut and depth of handles also make a difference if you want to get really critical.
A flat wing with a 3.65 wingspan will certainly catch the water more than a 3.65 high dihedral wingspan.
I would agree with you if you are talking about sheeting in with the wing perfectly vertical, but that is not proper technique for launching larger wings
Awesome, I'm with you now... I'm learning..
We are all learning that's the beauty of this new sport!
Very true!
What's interesting is that I learnt on bigger gear and my main wing was a 6.4, then 5.5 then 5 then 4.5. Since going to smaller and smaller boards and HA foils I'm starting to go back to bigger wings hence wanting something biggish that I can actually pump. I've fairly decent board and wing pump technique but have never found a 6m I can actually pump properly.
Thanks for all of the techy input people, much appreciated!
Select to expand quoteIanInca said..drlazone said..
What's super important at the larger sizes is the span of that trailing wing tip while you're holding it at 45 degrees at the start and pumping.
Most will drag in the water.
The F-one CWC by design is tapered so when you're holding in flying position at the start/pumping the trailing edge is parallel to the water and effectively acts like a much shorter wing span.
That's very true and I hadn't thought of that. The gong super power is only a smidge over 3m but the trailing edges must be massive. Interesting Patrice the owner of Gong shows how he thinks u should pump tighter wings. Up and down...it's still has the 45 degree angle u mentioned.
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Hope they modified the super power, because that wing wasn't made to pump in the version I tried.
Select to expand quoteNordRoi said..IanInca said..drlazone said..
What's super important at the larger sizes is the span of that trailing wing tip while you're holding it at 45 degrees at the start and pumping.
Most will drag in the water.
The F-one CWC by design is tapered so when you're holding in flying position at the start/pumping the trailing edge is parallel to the water and effectively acts like a much shorter wing span.
That's very true and I hadn't thought of that. The gong super power is only a smidge over 3m but the trailing edges must be massive. Interesting Patrice the owner of Gong shows how he thinks u should pump tighter wings. Up and down...it's still has the 45 degree angle u mentioned.
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Hope they modified the super power, because that wing wasn't made to pump in the version I tried.
Gong have finally shed some weight on their wings in their recent release. Upto now they have been too heavy for my liking.
Tried to update the spreadsheet but lacked permission. Here are some of my measurements
North Nova V2, 2022 5m
Wingspan....3.05m
Chord...2.03m
Duotone Unit V2, 2022 6.5m
Wingspan...3.96m
Chord...2.21m
Ianlnca
Here's an extract of the forum I created a good few months ago trying to address the problem you describe.
I'll try and find the link.
I have acquired a number of wings over the last year and have been trying to get a wing as big as I feel I can handle comfortably in light winds. I think I've found the right one, but it took a lot of time and a bit of expense.
The Duotone 4m Echo I started with was good, but not powerful enough to get me going in lighter winds. Followed up with a 5m Echo and it's been great but I occasionally catch the tips of the wing when pumping it. Looked at the Duotone Slick and bought a 5.5m. I found it to be more powerful, but I also keep catching the tips when pumping. Bought a 5m Slick and it's perfect. Very rare that I catch the tips at all. 5m Slick gets me going as early as any of the other wings I have. One of the things that was being pushed on a number of forums was if you want to get going in lighter conditions get a bigger wing. Wing area is obviously important, but your ability to use it efficiently is vital. Area was the metric that seemed to get pushed but not the wingspan, which I think could be a big factor in getting the right size for your capability. Please keep in mind this is not the only factor that will determine how 'usable' a wing is, but I hope that it might help others in getting the right wing for them?
I am 174cm tall (5'10"). 70kgs.
I measured up all the wingspans of the wings so others can hopefully use that info to assist them in comparing with a wing they have already used before buying another one.
Wing ........ Wingspan (tip to tip) Apex to tip ....... Chord
Slick 5.5m .......325 cm ...........................234 cm ...................208 cm
Slick 5m........... 309 ...................................225 ..........................199
Echo 5m ......... 344 ...................................229 ..........................192
Echo 4m ..........300 ...................................204 ..........................188
Nova 2.9m ......270 ..................................179 ...........................147
(Excuse my feeble editing - the tab doesn't work on these posts).
The Apex to tip is another measure I added which gives an idea of what the distance is from near your front hand to the wingtip.
So for me it seems a wingspan around 310cm is about as big as I can happily cope with. The Apex (middle of the leading edge of the wing) to tip measure is one that probably isn't as important as wingspan.
All wings were fully inflated when measured.
Id be interested to hear others take on this.
