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I'm a long-time windsurfer and Wind Foiler... getting into Wing Foiling.
Any Tips?
I'm saving good videos to a playlist so I can find them easier...
As someone who came from windsurfing I found this recent video to be very insightful.
In windsurfing you focus on maximizing power from the sail to produce speed. In the video, he empathizes riding the foil, not the wing for wingfoiling. Use the wing as a tool just to get on foil and stay on foil.
Main one for me was figuring out that you stay upright over the foil, side to side and fore and aft. Don't lean back into the wing like you do with a sail. You and the foil are one and the wing rotates around you. Leaning back leads to instant ejection ??.
Main one for me was figuring out that you stay upright over the foil, side to side and fore and aft. Don't lean back into the wing like you do with a sail. You and the foil are one and the wing rotates around you. Leaning back leads to instant ejection ??.
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I couldn't believe how many times I got up and fell backwards immediately when I first started, even when telling myself not to lean back...
Since you are already an accomplished windfoiler you will find getting up and going in a straight line pretty easy. And if you have good wind (not on the edge of being underpowered) then getting the board going in the other direction is pretty easy too. But if you are like me then here is where the trouble starts:
1. I never taught myself to ride switch. Worse, my brain would scream "switch feet, switch feet" halfway through the jibe. I really had to force myself to learn to ride switch and it's important.
2. Windsurf and Windfoil boards are longer and heavier and so have a higher MOI in pitch. So the foot placement is more critical when you do switch. And I had 30+ years of stepping back first etc. Different habits to learn.\
3. I found that having the boom in my hands connected to the mast, connected to the board helped me in my foot placement. It still feels like "the board is down there somewhere" when I'm winging. It's getting better though. I'm now over 80% jibing on flat water and about 40% in the sloppy stuff.
Good luck! I find that it's great cross training as it uses different muscles, primarily because the pumping action is so different.
I had nearly 40 years of windsurfing before I started wingfoiling three years ago. It's magical. I'm never going back.
It's all about front foot pressure. Set up your foil so your front foot is in the proper location where it stays. Rear foot moves.
Forget stinkbug for now. If you need stinkbug as a newbie your board is too small. Start with a board that is stable enough to start on your knees. If you are serious about learning you'll be falling a lot and you shouldn't be wasting time trying to start a small board. And start with larger foils and work your way down. Online used gear markets are great.
In my case jibing was much easier to learn than switching feet. It's still the weakest part of my riding. Practice on land whenever you can. Footstraps are often recommended to learn the switch but I prefer to go strapless--foot or ankle injuries are a no-no for me.
My favorite online mentors: Lachie White, Alan Cadiz, Damien LeRoy, Kitefoil college. Watch watch watch. Practice wing handling on land on light days. Just like windsurfing, follow a good winger on the water and try to emulate.
It's a good idea to protect yourself from the foil as a newbie--lots of falls, right? Even a thin wetsuit helps avoid those leg cuts. Consider an impact/flotation vest and helmet.
Seems like almost all former windsurfers prefer a wing with a boom. Infinite number of handholds--easy to slide hand fore and aft.
Enjoy the ride!
Good tips everyone, thanks for the encouragement. Good thing I've got a few weeks holiday this summer, plenty of time to watch videos and put it into practice!
I'm a former windsurfer who did 5-10 sessions of windfoiling before swapping to wingfoiling. I'm now a beginner/intermediate who can gybe and is starting to tack. Lots of great advice here so I'll just say four things.
1) Footstraps: I found putting the front footstraps on the board was quite intuitive for me and provided a bunch of benefits, like getting the board out of the water when pumping, staying on the board when it was choppy, transferring power into forward motion (especially in chop), recovering from touchdowns and when stuffing the nose. It also helped learn toeside riding. Once I cracked that I took the straps off again and have been riding strapless since. I recommend setting up the front straps to be quite long (i.e. the outer holes) so that you can wiggle your foot forward and backward while still in the strap.
2) Toeside riding: I don't think anything in windfoiling transfers to toeside riding. I found that getting up and foiling heelside was pretty intuitive but if I made it around a gybe I wouldn't be able to ride toeside for more than like a second - I'd basically just fall off immediately. It eventually just clicked, but having the front strap on the board helped me control the board even if my front foot is lifting at the heel. You definitely want to learn toeside riding because you can't really gybe without it, so I think it makes sense to really focus on learning it.
3) Footswap: When gybing you probably instinctively want to footswap when coming through the gybe. This isn't gonna work like it does with windsurfing. Stick to riding out toeside and then once you can ride toeside for some time, start learning the footswap.
4) Foil safety: with windfoiling you've got the benefit of the mast & boom which effectively keeps the bottom side of the board i.e. the foil away from you. You don't have this benefit with wingfoiling and you can easily have the board go one way and you go the other way and fall towards the foil. It's pretty scary and I don't really have any advice for solving the problem except just being conscious of it and trying to avoid scenarios where you're falling off the outside of the board.
Enjoy - I think the feeling of foiling with a wing is far more enjoyable than the feeling of foiling with a sail.
Main one for me was figuring out that you stay upright over the foil, side to side and fore and aft. Don't lean back into the wing like you do with a sail. You and the foil are one and the wing rotates around you. Leaning back leads to instant ejection ??.
My mistake for the last four years
As has been noted above, if you're learning, some of the things above will become more relevant later in the journey.
Get a biggish board. You're better to be 10 litres too big than 10 litres too small when learning. It will make your time above water easier and you'll learn faster. After a year, you might think of downsizing to the right board.
Biggest thing for me was gybing. Always switched my feet when dead downwind on windsurf board. Big no-no on foil. Could not break the habit. So learned how to ride toeside first, then went into gybes toeside exiting heelside without feeling like my feet were wrongly placed. Toeside is hard to learn, so find smooth water so that the chop interferes less with foil control. Narrow your stance before doing the foot swap. Wide stance tends to mean when back foot goes to the front, the board tends to dive harder and it's more difficult to keep it from touching down.
Also, don't think about footstraps. While getting your basic skills down pat, you often need to shuffle your feet around and I found they just get in the way. Clean board to begin. When you advance, then think about where they need to be. If you are struggling with foot placement and use the footstraps as location markers, then put something on your board (electrical tape, non permanent marker) to located your feet.
Good luck with the journey. It's fantastic and challenging.
My pumping seems much more effective with the rear strap! I know the foot placement is way back. but I'm so used to powering up both legs when I pump the Windfoil, it really helped. Without it my pumps felt like they were cancelling out and just bouncing vertically not forward!
Next question. Why do I suck at toe side gybe stability... on WindFoil I gybe toe-side all the time but switch feet mid-turn to finish heel side.
On the wing the second half of the turn is where I struggle. early days but any tips appreciated.
you are used to rely on mastfoot pressure to balance out /compensate a backfoot heavy riding stance. Ditch the straps, get to learn to steer your board by weight and balance instead of hanging and wrinching/pulling on the straps. Taking of the straps helps you to balance out by moving your feet more freely I always advice former windsurf buddies to approach wingfoil more as Sup/ surfing then as windsurf. because the way you steer and balance is closer to those sports as to windsurfing. Especially when you are a freerider or racer hanging outside kicking against a fin.
Besides that, unless you are serious racing or jumping you don,t really need straps.I,m 97kg and ride a 95 and 56l board strapless in everything from 12 tot 40+ knots from flat water to 4m+ waves.
As Jeroensurf said when windsurf foiling, the fact that the mast is connected to the mid-front of the board takes out the rotational axis and pitch axis instability, it damps it all massively. On a windfoil that's all in your feet, much more delicate control is needed.
You'll get it, when I started, and as you know, come from the same racing 'IQ foil' style background as you I had the same issues but over a few sessions you'll figure out the more neuanced control required, just take practice to learn that new muscle memory. Foil setup is also important but from memory you had an F4 setup so it's probably good already.
Despite so so so many posters on here suggesting it to new wingfoilers, particularly those with deep rooted windsurfing backgrounds, to remove the straps I think is actually a ridiculous idea. I listened to that advice when I started, despite my better judgement and literally foiled like 100m and went, this is the stupidest idea i've ever heard of, went straight back in, put the front straps on and have never looked back. Having straps, the front ones only to start, makes so much of a difference to the control, foot placement and general consistency when wingfoiling I honestly don't know why people would not use them....particularly if you come from a very high level of windfoiling and windsurfing. I can understand it if you're just crusing around on a massive foil at like 12kts just 'feeling the flow' but if you want to progress bigtime, you need straps, imo.
I would also practice toe side riding both sides, a lot. It's an important skill, much more important in wingfoiling that in windfoil as you really need to be able to do it well once you progress to foiling tacks etc. There are so many videos on learning to gybe on youtube and that's the best way as a video is much easier to digest than a description on here. They highlight how imporant the wing switch timing is when you're starting etc...and you need flat water too at the start, makes it much easier.
Having straps, the front ones only to start, makes so much of a difference to the control, foot placement and general consistency when wingfoiling I honestly don't know why people would not use them
Speaking for myself, over the last 18 months of wingfoiling, straps helped with some things and made some other things harder. It makes board control easier but it makes it much more sensitive to correct foil placement on the board,and stance over the foil. I've put straps on twice and taken them off twice at various points throughout my progression and I've been riding strapless for about the last 4 months. Might go back to front straps at some point. But I guess my point is from the perspective of an absolute beginner straps aren't all upside.
I think your first post with the 4 points of advice was basically perfect dieseagull, describes the learning process most go through. My main thing with straps is it provides much more control and also much more consistency. Putting your front foot in the same place every time is the only real way to build the muscle memory when you are beginning, otherwise the foil forces are likely different almost everytime make it very hard to build that muscle memory. Also give Berowne's background it's one less thing to have to think about given how used he is to them.
I also don't really understand why anyone would sacrifice the added control with straps and for what benifit? Maybe it's just because I come from a racing background etc so like to go fast and as such generally foil on high aspect foils....and cruising around and 20+kts with straps is sketchy enough, let alone without them? I can kinda see it if you come from a surfing background or something where straps are completely foreign but if you've done any high level of windsurfing or kitesurfing, surely it's a no brainer?
As Jeroensurf said when windsurf foiling, the fact that the mast is connected to the mid-front of the board takes out the rotational axis and pitch axis instability, it damps it all massively. On a windfoil that's all in your feet, much more delicate control is needed.
You'll get it, when I started, and as you know, come from the same racing 'IQ foil' style background as you I had the same issues but over a few sessions you'll figure out the more neuanced control required, just take practice to learn that new muscle memory. Foil setup is also important but from memory you had an F4 setup so it's probably good already.
Despite so so so many posters on here suggesting it to new wingfoilers, particularly those with deep rooted windsurfing backgrounds, to remove the straps I think is actually a ridiculous idea. I listened to that advice when I started, despite my better judgement and literally foiled like 100m and went, this is the stupidest idea i've ever heard of, went straight back in, put the front straps on and have never looked back. Having straps, the front ones only to start, makes so much of a difference to the control, foot placement and general consistency when wingfoiling I honestly don't know why people would not use them....particularly if you come from a very high level of windfoiling and windsurfing. I can understand it if you're just crusing around on a massive foil at like 12kts just 'feeling the flow' but if you want to progress bigtime, you need straps, imo.
I would also practice toe side riding both sides, a lot. It's an important skill, much more important in wingfoiling that in windfoil as you really need to be able to do it well once you progress to foiling tacks etc. There are so many videos on learning to gybe on youtube and that's the best way as a video is much easier to digest than a description on here. They highlight how imporant the wing switch timing is when you're starting etc...and you need flat water too at the start, makes it much easier.
Thanks for the confirmation on foot straps... I had previously said many times that when the board was new, I could hardly foil goofy, and I sat on the board after falling and thought why is this so hard... I windsurf both directions all the time (otherwise I'd be in NZ!). So, after I put the foot straps on, my brain flicked a switched and said, oh you're not riding goofy, you're in a footstrap, I know what to do, lets GO!.
I do want to get into some racing, and ultimately waves, so I will be using the straps to hone these skills. But I'm going to swap out the windsurfer ones and get some thin flat straps that are easier to stand on!
Toe side on my good side is working out now, but I haven't made enough fast port gybes to get onto goofy toe side, but being back foot forward and twisted with back arm forward sounds like a disaster on a timer.
As Jeroensurf said when windsurf foiling, the fact that the mast is connected to the mid-front of the board takes out the rotational axis and pitch axis instability, it damps it all massively. On a windfoil that's all in your feet, much more delicate control is needed.
You'll get it, when I started, and as you know, come from the same racing 'IQ foil' style background as you I had the same issues but over a few sessions you'll figure out the more neuanced control required, just take practice to learn that new muscle memory. Foil setup is also important but from memory you had an F4 setup so it's probably good already.
Despite so so so many posters on here suggesting it to new wingfoilers, particularly those with deep rooted windsurfing backgrounds, to remove the straps I think is actually a ridiculous idea. I listened to that advice when I started, despite my better judgement and literally foiled like 100m and went, this is the stupidest idea i've ever heard of, went straight back in, put the front straps on and have never looked back. Having straps, the front ones only to start, makes so much of a difference to the control, foot placement and general consistency when wingfoiling I honestly don't know why people would not use them....particularly if you come from a very high level of windfoiling and windsurfing. I can understand it if you're just crusing around on a massive foil at like 12kts just 'feeling the flow' but if you want to progress bigtime, you need straps, imo.
I would also practice toe side riding both sides, a lot. It's an important skill, much more important in wingfoiling that in windfoil as you really need to be able to do it well once you progress to foiling tacks etc. There are so many videos on learning to gybe on youtube and that's the best way as a video is much easier to digest than a description on here. They highlight how imporant the wing switch timing is when you're starting etc...and you need flat water too at the start, makes it much easier.
Thanks for the confirmation on foot straps... I had previously said many times that when the board was new, I could hardly foil goofy, and I sat on the board after falling and thought why is this so hard... I windsurf both directions all the time (otherwise I'd be in NZ!). So, after I put the foot straps on, my brain flicked a switched and said, oh you're not riding goofy, you're in a footstrap, I know what to do, lets GO!.
I do want to get into some racing, and ultimately waves, so I will be using the straps to hone these skills. But I'm going to swap out the windsurfer ones and get some thin flat straps that are easier to stand on!
Toe side on my good side is working out now, but I haven't made enough fast port gybes to get onto goofy toe side, but being back foot forward and twisted with back arm forward sounds like a disaster on a timer.
Front footstraps give you a target for changing feet (at least they do for me). Just make them big (tighten them when you start jumping).
I also don't really understand why anyone would sacrifice the added control with straps and for what benifit?
Agree with pretty much everything you're saying, but there were a few reasons I removed footstraps (and one big reason to add them that I totally forgot to mention).
My reasons to remove them were to experiment with foot placement over the foil (given a consistent foot position). I've found foot positioning not particularly intuitive in the sense that I can find multiple foot positions that "work" for me but aren't ideal and I'm unwittingly compensating by doing something else e.g. standing too wide or weighting my feet unevenly to compensate for my front foot being too far forward. Getting rid of the straps allows me to play around with this without moving the mast. With toeside riding, I also found that while footstraps initially helped me learn this, what also helped was positioning my front foot further forward and outboard than I do while riding heelside. Not sure exactly why this works for me, and probably related to the first issue, but again removing footstraps has helped me experiment with this.
The other big benefit I totally forgot about is it helps keep the foil away from your body due to a fall, which is very relevant to windsurfers as we don't have a mast and boom anymore. Earlier on I had one or two nasty taco-type falls where I fell towards the foil, and now that I think about it the original reason I put the footstrap on was so I could keep the deck facing towards my body during a fall. Thankfully haven't had any of those falls for a while, but I definitely see myself going back towards front footstraps when I get into riding larger swells where higher speeds and the risk of flipping a board becomes a factor.
I'm going to swap out the windsurfer ones and get some thin flat straps that are easier to stand on!
My favourite were foam straps that still hold their shape (so easy to get into) but are lighter and less bulky and don't hold water the way padded windsurf straps do. I had a PPC V-strap which broke on me (got a warranty replacement) and it was great apart from the fact that it broke. The Armstrong straps look really good too. Not sure you'd really want to make a habit of standing on them though.