Hi to the combined knowledge base of Seabreeze wing-foilers
Do any of you bigger guys wear a GPS when winging? With no pumping or steering around waves, at what hull-speed should a 100kg rider start to lift?
I'm a newbie but I was out today on Pittwater in 15 to 20 knots and a 6m wing so I mostly had good power. My GPS showed five 10 second runs at up to 8 knots with a peak speed of 8.8 knots. All of these were done lowriding. The one time I got the board out of the water it was only a height of maybe 10 cm and not for long. The period I was up was not my fastest speed of the day!
The board never really felt like it wanted to climb. The one time I got up on the foils I made a conscious effort to step a few inches further back and give it a bit of a leg pump, but if I tried this without a puff it just seemed like the tail dug in and felt slow.
I guess my feeling is that even with no input from me, if I'm going 7 or 8 knots the foils should already be getting lift. Do any of the bigger guys know what their actual take off speed is?
Thanks
Jethrow
My stats:
Fanatic 6'10" 135L Sky wing
F-one gravity 2200cm on a 65cm mast
6SqM Konrad Wingman wing
97kg's
I'm sorry if this isn't helpful in answering the specifics of your question, but you'll have very little airtime unless you start pumping the foil and wing as well as angling across the wind a bit. You might have to move the foil forward in the boxes a bit for lift, but really, we all have to proactively make the things fly. You've got enough foil and wing.
I, like most others started dragging around hoping for the best, but it was only the top 10% of gusts that ever got me up on the foil. It had to be smoking. That changed as my pumping technique evolved.
Good luck, success is just around the corner.
I started replying but lost my post. So will keep it short.
I agree with Clamsmasha.
I'm lighter 80kgs.
Same problem as you with 4 meter wing. Couldn't get it up. 6 meter wing was a bit better with faster board speed & big foil. I finally got up and going but after pumping either board or foil or both.
7 meter wing I would guess would get me up easier without pumping in about 12 to 15 knots.
At your weight & learning you would need a 7 meter or bigger without pumping. But even then you need to load the foil by letting the nose of your board to rise up.
Pumping the foil is similar to a dolphin swimming. And when you include the pumping of the wing, then its similar to a bird getting lift as it runs forward. So both gives the best chance of getting good flight forward.
Just my view.
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Hi to the combined knowledge base of Seabreeze wing-foilers
Do any of you bigger guys wear a GPS when winging? With no pumping or steering around waves, at what hull-speed should a 100kg rider start to lift?
I'm a newbie but I was out today on Pittwater in 15 to 20 knots and a 6m wing so I mostly had good power. My GPS showed five 10 second runs at up to 8 knots with a peak speed of 8.8 knots. All of these were done lowriding. The one time I got the board out of the water it was only a height of maybe 10 cm and not for long. The period I was up was not my fastest speed of the day!
The board never really felt like it wanted to climb. The one time I got up on the foils I made a conscious effort to step a few inches further back and give it a bit of a leg pump, but if I tried this without a puff it just seemed like the tail dug in and felt slow.
I guess my feeling is that even with no input from me, if I'm going 7 or 8 knots the foils should already be getting lift. Do any of the bigger guys know what their actual take off speed is?
Thanks
Jethrow
My stats:
Fanatic 6'10" 135L Sky wing
F-one gravity 2200cm on a 65cm mast
6SqM Konrad Wingman wing
97kg's
Hi Jethrow I wear a gps most of the time I'm 112 kg I'd say if ya doing 7 to 8 kts just give ya wing a few pumps 10kts will be enough it takes more energy to climb up to cruze height but once ya trim levels out ya should be able to slow to 7 or 8 and keep flying
once ya refine ya technique and pump board and wing in sync it will become easy to activate lift off
yesterday I was in about 10 to 12 with a 5m Cabrinha and a 2400wing and was burning around no probs this pic was from yesty
The fanatic boards plane really well, so I am not surprised you are getting decent board speed without popping up. You must be getting some assistance from your foil to be getting 8 knots. My experience says you need to shuffle your feet back just a little.
What is the position of your foil? I have found that I needed to have the foil in the forward most position on 5'8" fanatic, some of my piers are midway. Something else for you to consider.
My experience is nearly all the foils above 1800cm2 run around 9 to 12 knots on an upwind tack (a liitle faster on a reach). My AXIS 1150 is a little faster than the 1020, but the width/length of the foils are huge, so pushing them through water above 16 or 17 knots is difficult.
Sounds like you are very close ??
Thanks All.
Yeah I should have also mentioned that my mast was all the way forward yesterday. For my first session I had it in the middle.
I'll give it another go today. We are supposed to have a nice seabreeze so I can get driven up the bay and get a good few miles of racetrack downwind to get back home.
I would expect you should be flying at those speeds. I have a 2000cm wing with a 6'6" board at and 85kg my GPS shows me flying at about 10km/h, but I need lots of wind with my 5m wing to get going that speed first. Stepping back on your board should help your cause as mentioned above.
You need to remember it's not just about board speed or even planing before lift can happen like an airplane needing a certain speed before it can take off..
It's more about pressure on the foil and this is achieved by pumping or bouncing the board rather than just speed alone.. You do need a certain amount of wing power to do this so pumping the wing helps and also heading off the wind more because pumping the wing and holding your upwind line will often not work..
I'm your weight and my lighter friends can usually get up on the foil in less wind than me so using a bigger wing is often needed.. One more thing.. Front foot position is critical and having it just an inch too far forward or back can hinder your ability to get lift..
If you just try and sail it up to planning speed and then onto the foil you will most likely have to big a wing once up and foiling..
Wow, how good is the Seabreeze brains trust!
I went out today is similar wind to yesterday with the same gear but from the NE instead of South so a bit more sheltered water. I was getting towards overpowered on the 6M, with solid small whitecaps on flat water, so I was probably on too big a wing. Trying to remember all the hints people have given me I stood in my normal position to work up wind a bit and when I was ready to pull the trigger I stepped back about a foot width, maybe a width and a half more than yesterday with my back foot and a similar amount with the front foot and bore away to a broad reach. Some foot and wing pumping and up she came. Hell yeeeaaahhh! 
I had half a dozen controlled flights over the afternoon, where I could climb to height and bring the board back down again. Most flight runs still ended with a fall, but I was ecstatic to say the least! That being said, anyone watching me probably thought my attempts at wing and foil pumping looked like a child having a tantrum in a supermarket. 
Thanks for the hints all, next step is to gain some directional control and then I can work on going upwind!
