After a year or so of parawinging, I've landed on the following harness setup using the ozone stash belt. I added a second pigtail on the right side of the belt and utilized a spare ocean rodeo wing leash extension to span the front of the belt. From there I added a 8mm low friction ring and a second leash extension fed through a bit of clear tubing, ending with a j hook from Jimmy Stringfellow.
I like this setup for a few reasons:
1. Lowers the load on the plastic buckle and acts as a backup in case the buckle fails.
2. Spreads the load a bit so it is more comfortable.
3. The harness line can move freely and not be impeded by the buckle, and doesn't bunch up and crinkle the belt webbing.
4. Plastic tubing makes it easy to reach for and grab without looking and hook in one handed quickly.
5. Bungee action allows for progressive resistance and partial load assistance. Not full on/off action.
This setup was inspired by someone's post on the Facebook group (thanks)
Select to expand quoteGrantmac said..
Does it hook directly onto the bar or do you have a harness line on there too?
Hooks directly to the bar. I have a quiver of parawings and trying to have a traditional harness line for each is a pain. Plus it's nice to have a naked bar.
I'm coming up on almost 2 months PWing. Have tried a few versions of harness and am still not altogether satisfied. Maybe give this a try- looks promising as I do really like a clean bar. Tried the string fellow hook w/ rigid line and couldn't quite get it dialed. Where are you sourcing your bungee?
Select to expand quoteHoloholo said..
I'm coming up on almost 2 months PWing. Have tried a few versions of harness and am still not altogether satisfied. Maybe give this a try- looks promising as I do really like a clean bar. Tried the string fellow hook w/ rigid line and couldn't quite get it dialed. Where are you sourcing your bungee?
Previously I was using dyneema bungee sourced from a local marine store. This blue line was a repurposing of ocean rodeo wing leash extensions that came with my 7M wing that I sold. They happened to be just about the perfect length and spliced nicely with loops at each end.
MidAtlanticFoil - where'd you get the ring from? And did you have to splice the bungee around it? It looks like it is tied at the hook end and the plastic tubing keeps it in place.
I've settled on wearing two. I have an anchorman harness that is padded and I can wing or parawing with. When I'm parawinging I just throw the stash belt over the top. So I'm hooked in to my traditional harness and the stash belt is just there for stashing.
Select to expand quoteBBQdSunfish said..
MidAtlanticFoil - where'd you get the ring from? And did you have to splice the bungee around it? It looks like it is tied at the hook end and the plastic tubing keeps it in place.
Low friction ring:
www.westmarine.com/ronstan-low-friction-ring-7-8inch-22mm-outside-diameter-5-16inch-8mm-center-hole-diameter-7-16inch-11mm-thickness-15483126.html
The tubing does hold the friction ring in place. The piece inside the tube is identical to the other one.
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..
After a year or so of parawinging, I've landed on the following harness setup using the ozone stash belt. I added a second pigtail on the right side of the belt and utilized a spare ocean rodeo wing leash extension to span the front of the belt. From there I added a 8mm low friction ring and a second leash extension fed through a bit of clear tubing, ending with a j hook from Jimmy Stringfellow.
I like this setup for a few reasons:
1. Lowers the load on the plastic buckle and acts as a backup in case the buckle fails.
2. Spreads the load a bit so it is more comfortable.
3. The harness line can move freely and not be impeded by the buckle, and doesn't bunch up and crinkle the belt webbing.
4. Plastic tubing makes it easy to reach for and grab without looking and hook in one handed quickly.
5. Bungee action allows for progressive resistance and partial load assistance. Not full on/off action.
This setup was inspired by someone's post on the Facebook group (thanks)
Well done looks great.
I just put an extra hook on a north harness for toeside riding. Plan to use a rashie with a pouch for stowing, it is on the way.
Gwen seems to like this setup:
www.instagram.com/reel/DOy0f4oAWW4/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=NGYydTAwbDdsdnRi
Select to expand quotekook123 said..
Gwen seems to like this setup:
www.instagram.com/reel/DOy0f4oAWW4/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=NGYydTAwbDdsdnRi
Very
very expensive!
I don't know, to me these options are over complicating and adding more complexity. I am pretty happy with the Ozone lines at 20cm. I think they could still slim down the connection design a little but the solid line feels better than bungee to me. Also you can get in and out lighting fast. They're also cheap. Also I have noticed it is a good indicator of the orientation of the bar when getting ready to relaunch. ozonekites.com/wing/accessories/parawing-wing-fixed-loop-harness-lines/
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I don't know, to me these options are over complicating and adding more complexity. I am pretty happy with the Ozone lines at 20cm. I think they could still slim down the connection design a little but the solid line feels better than bungee to me. Also you can get in and out lighting fast. They're also cheap. Also I have noticed it is a good indicator of the orientation of the bar when getting ready to relaunch. ozonekites.com/wing/accessories/parawing-wing-fixed-loop-harness-lines/
This!
Happy with my 18" mono windsurf loops. $37 gets you 2.
chinooksailing.com/collections/harness-lines/products/quick-lines-mono-harness-lines-available-in-18-20-22-24-26-28-30-lengths
Personally I like a simple dyneema bungee rope. I got one from Sheps and I also have an ozone wing harness line. Both are just dyneema rope with a bit of bungee inside. I prefer no plastic tubing. Simple, lightweight and quite tangle free.
I was considering getting the hook attached to a line like the stringfellow set up but I realised I use the harness line a lot even when not hooked in. I use it as an extra grab point especially when riding toeside overpowered. Helps your arm not get ripped off and you can use it to depower if your hand isn't in the perfect position on the bar. I find it helpful to have the extra grab point as the pwings are a lot to hold onto in gusty frontal winds
All the gadgets are really cool! I love the innovation around the solutions.
For me, simple small stiff Ozone loop is doing what I need.
- Fast no-hands in and out
- Minimum elasticity for control
- Stays exactly where I need it on the bar for depower
- Nothing hanging off my belt except a small hook
Harness lines tend to be highly personal and perhaps wing specific. For me, riding g BRM V2 single skins I really enjoy elasticated dyneema dual point. I recently upgraded from 3mm to 2.5mm dyneema which is harder to thread elastic through. It leaves a much cleaner attachment to the bar. Plastic tube extends all the way to contact with the bar. I find this reduces tangles to almost zero. Advantages for me includ;, being able to hook in and out very fast, being able to adjust power while hooked in but not having to micro manage the power (it kind of 'locks in' power at different intervals, leaving you able to fly without gripping the bar), and being able to use the harness when unhooked to reduce stain on the flying arm when overpowered (particularly useful for hooking in when overpowered). Riding smaller foils now I tend to ride super powered up so this harness set up has been great. I never seem to have an issue with tangling. The BRM bar is perhaps hard to tangle due to short lines but the bar is at an uncomfortable angle to hold without the harness line. With this set up I find it very comfortable. Anyway, for the Paia I think single line is fine and that's probably true with the Ozone and higher aspect wings too. Just love my set up and continue to live the BRMs too so wanted to share it.
Select to expand quoteSheps said..
Harness lines tend to be highly personal and perhaps wing specific. For me, riding g BRM V2 single skins I really enjoy elasticated dyneema dual point. I recently upgraded from 3mm to 2.5mm dyneema which is harder to thread elastic through. It leaves a much cleaner attachment to the bar. Plastic tube extends all the way to contact with the bar. I find this reduces tangles to almost zero. Advantages for me includ;, being able to hook in and out very fast, being able to adjust power while hooked in but not having to micro manage the power (it kind of 'locks in' power at different intervals, leaving you able to fly without gripping the bar), and being able to use the harness when unhooked to reduce stain on the flying arm when overpowered (particularly useful for hooking in when overpowered). Riding smaller foils now I tend to ride super powered up so this harness set up has been great. I never seem to have an issue with tangling. The BRM bar is perhaps hard to tangle due to short lines but the bar is at an uncomfortable angle to hold without the harness line. With this set up I find it very comfortable. Anyway, for the Paia I think single line is fine and that's probably true with the Ozone and higher aspect wings too. Just love my set up and continue to live the BRMs too so wanted to share it.
Clean!!! Where did you learn the splicing technique? It can't be easy to get the bungee inside the dyneema.
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..Sheps said..
Harness lines tend to be highly personal and perhaps wing specific. For me, riding g BRM V2 single skins I really enjoy elasticated dyneema dual point. I recently upgraded from 3mm to 2.5mm dyneema which is harder to thread elastic through. It leaves a much cleaner attachment to the bar. Plastic tube extends all the way to contact with the bar. I find this reduces tangles to almost zero. Advantages for me includ;, being able to hook in and out very fast, being able to adjust power while hooked in but not having to micro manage the power (it kind of 'locks in' power at different intervals, leaving you able to fly without gripping the bar), and being able to use the harness when unhooked to reduce stain on the flying arm when overpowered (particularly useful for hooking in when overpowered). Riding smaller foils now I tend to ride super powered up so this harness set up has been great. I never seem to have an issue with tangling. The BRM bar is perhaps hard to tangle due to short lines but the bar is at an uncomfortable angle to hold without the harness line. With this set up I find it very comfortable. Anyway, for the Paia I think single line is fine and that's probably true with the Ozone and higher aspect wings too. Just love my set up and continue to live the BRMs too so wanted to share it.
Clean!!! Where did you learn the splicing technique? It can't be easy to get the bungee inside the dyneema.
A vid would be great (?!)
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..Sheps said..
Harness lines tend to be highly personal and perhaps wing specific. For me, riding g BRM V2 single skins I really enjoy elasticated dyneema dual point. I recently upgraded from 3mm to 2.5mm dyneema which is harder to thread elastic through. It leaves a much cleaner attachment to the bar. Plastic tube extends all the way to contact with the bar. I find this reduces tangles to almost zero. Advantages for me includ;, being able to hook in and out very fast, being able to adjust power while hooked in but not having to micro manage the power (it kind of 'locks in' power at different intervals, leaving you able to fly without gripping the bar), and being able to use the harness when unhooked to reduce stain on the flying arm when overpowered (particularly useful for hooking in when overpowered). Riding smaller foils now I tend to ride super powered up so this harness set up has been great. I never seem to have an issue with tangling. The BRM bar is perhaps hard to tangle due to short lines but the bar is at an uncomfortable angle to hold without the harness line. With this set up I find it very comfortable. Anyway, for the Paia I think single line is fine and that's probably true with the Ozone and higher aspect wings too. Just love my set up and continue to live the BRMs too so wanted to share it.
Clean!!! Where did you learn the splicing technique? It can't be easy to get the bungee inside the dyneema.
For dyneema less than 3mm I use a D splicer tool (pictured below). If you use good quality 2.5mm dyneema it's pretty easy to do. Where you tie off the elastic I like to use a glued shrink wrap (heat gun required). This prevents it wearing out and keeps a clean look. I'll work of a YouTube video to put up on my page shortly but with the right tools you'll probably work it out. Well worth the time and small investment to learn this craft.
Good timing...I've put together a decent splicing kit, but have only made a couple loops and soft shackles...this could be fun...
Select to expand quoteSheps said..MidAtlanticFoil said..Sheps said..
Harness lines tend to be highly personal and perhaps wing specific. For me, riding g BRM V2 single skins I really enjoy elasticated dyneema dual point. I recently upgraded from 3mm to 2.5mm dyneema which is harder to thread elastic through. It leaves a much cleaner attachment to the bar. Plastic tube extends all the way to contact with the bar. I find this reduces tangles to almost zero. Advantages for me includ;, being able to hook in and out very fast, being able to adjust power while hooked in but not having to micro manage the power (it kind of 'locks in' power at different intervals, leaving you able to fly without gripping the bar), and being able to use the harness when unhooked to reduce stain on the flying arm when overpowered (particularly useful for hooking in when overpowered). Riding smaller foils now I tend to ride super powered up so this harness set up has been great. I never seem to have an issue with tangling. The BRM bar is perhaps hard to tangle due to short lines but the bar is at an uncomfortable angle to hold without the harness line. With this set up I find it very comfortable. Anyway, for the Paia I think single line is fine and that's probably true with the Ozone and higher aspect wings too. Just love my set up and continue to live the BRMs too so wanted to share it.
Clean!!! Where did you learn the splicing technique? It can't be easy to get the bungee inside the dyneema.
For dyneema less than 3mm I use a D splicer tool (pictured below). If you use good quality 2.5mm dyneema it's pretty easy to do. Where you tie off the elastic I like to use a glued shrink wrap (heat gun required). This prevents it wearing out and keeps a clean look. I'll work of a YouTube video to put up on my page shortly but with the right tools you'll probably work it out. Well worth the time and small investment to learn this craft.
How do you have the attachments set up? One in a loop to larks foot to the bar and the opposite end straight/attached with a clove hitch? Def want something that's fairly easy to switch between PWs without having to remove lines from the bar etc.
Select to expand quoteHoloholo said..Sheps said..MidAtlanticFoil said..Sheps said..
Harness lines tend to be highly personal and perhaps wing specific. For me, riding g BRM V2 single skins I really enjoy elasticated dyneema dual point. I recently upgraded from 3mm to 2.5mm dyneema which is harder to thread elastic through. It leaves a much cleaner attachment to the bar. Plastic tube extends all the way to contact with the bar. I find this reduces tangles to almost zero. Advantages for me includ;, being able to hook in and out very fast, being able to adjust power while hooked in but not having to micro manage the power (it kind of 'locks in' power at different intervals, leaving you able to fly without gripping the bar), and being able to use the harness when unhooked to reduce stain on the flying arm when overpowered (particularly useful for hooking in when overpowered). Riding smaller foils now I tend to ride super powered up so this harness set up has been great. I never seem to have an issue with tangling. The BRM bar is perhaps hard to tangle due to short lines but the bar is at an uncomfortable angle to hold without the harness line. With this set up I find it very comfortable. Anyway, for the Paia I think single line is fine and that's probably true with the Ozone and higher aspect wings too. Just love my set up and continue to live the BRMs too so wanted to share it.
Clean!!! Where did you learn the splicing technique? It can't be easy to get the bungee inside the dyneema.
For dyneema less than 3mm I use a D splicer tool (pictured below). If you use good quality 2.5mm dyneema it's pretty easy to do. Where you tie off the elastic I like to use a glued shrink wrap (heat gun required). This prevents it wearing out and keeps a clean look. I'll work of a YouTube video to put up on my page shortly but with the right tools you'll probably work it out. Well worth the time and small investment to learn this craft.
How do you have the attachments set up? One in a loop to larks foot to the bar and the opposite end straight/attached with a clove hitch? Def want something that's fairly easy to switch between PWs without having to remove lines from the bar etc.
I use a constrictor knot on both ends as these are most secure, compact and don't rotate on the bar. I then tie off the end and cut the excess off and burn. Whilst you can remove and replace it is difficult and time consuming to do so I don't recommend this set up for changing between wings. I have one for each, prioritising performance over convenience.
The reason I prefer the bar hook vs the harness line is because I got lines wrapped around the harness line a few times. Also, the stiffer harness line made jamming the bar into the pouch more challenging. Both these issues would probably be solved with a softer line vs the stiff sheathed line I was using. Simple bar hook is working well for me.
