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King of the Cut Wing division

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Created by PeterP > 9 months ago, 6 Dec 2020
PeterP
873 posts
6 Dec 2020 3:44PM
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Results: live.trackmelive.com.au/KOTC2020/

Almost as many Wings as SUP's and 2 on SUP-foil!

We are slowly doing downwind wing racing here in Cape Town as well but I'm still trying to get my head around it. What I enjoy doing on a wing-downwind is to flag out and surf the bumps with the least use of the wing - but that will never win the race if someone decides to sheet in and do the yachting technique....so for now I just do the races for the novelty.

Wondering what others take is on this?

Bender
WA, 2235 posts
6 Dec 2020 3:51PM
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I did the Kotc and was way slower than the front runners, becasuse i just surfed swells with the wing parked to the side. The most fun you can have with your pants on

hilly
WA, 7877 posts
6 Dec 2020 5:44PM
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Bender said..
I did the Kotc and was way slower than the front runners, becasuse i just surfed swells with the wing parked to the side. The most fun you can have with your pants on


I am with you, why race past a swell

baldy123
WA, 447 posts
6 Dec 2020 7:43PM
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The KOTC was epic this year. Probably the best wind we've had in the nine years the event has been running. The wingers packed the fleet, but a big shout out to Marcus Tardrew and Dale Chapman for paddling it. I sat behind Marcus for a good 10km and had a front row seat to a downwind masterclass by one of the worlds best DW Foilers. In the past four days I've clocked up over 100km on the wing. The king of the cut is more than a one day race. There is so much stoke in the lead up to the weekend. Plenty of crew doing runs every day. This year was a little light in the field for the SUP Foilers due to east coast travel restrictions. Heres to a bigger and windier 2021 KOTC. My goal will be to paddle it on the foil next year.


Bender
WA, 2235 posts
6 Dec 2020 8:23PM
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Yes next my goal mext year is yo paddle foil it too. It is the pinicle of downwind paddling IMHO

tightlines
WA, 3501 posts
6 Dec 2020 9:23PM
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Yep I hear ya PeterP
However I am more than happy to mix it up, sheet in and use the power of the wind and water to go as fast as possible, across, over and down the bumps occasionally
The race was an absolute blast, It's so exhilarating when you straighten up and go screaming down a big swell at max speed

Days like today though, where Dale Chapman swapped the paddle for a wing and joined me just cruising, surfing and sharing bumps for miles with grins from ear to ear are the absolute best though, no question about it.

#bestever

Clamsmasha
WA, 311 posts
6 Dec 2020 9:32PM
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tightlines said..
Yep I hear ya PeterP
However I am more than happy to mix it up, sheet in and use the power of the wind and water to go as fast as possible, across, over and down the bumps occasionally
The race was an absolute blast, It's so exhilarating when you straighten up and go screaming down a big swell at max speed

Days like today though, where Dale Chapman swapped the paddle for a wing and joined me just cruising, surfing and sharing bumps for miles with grins from ear to ear are the absolute best though, no question about it.

#bestever


It's awesome hey Kent!

Got a couple of sick ones out front of MAAC today that made me happy.

Yew!

paul.j
QLD, 3367 posts
7 Dec 2020 9:31AM
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So bummed to miss the KOTC this year!!

Nice work to all the crew who did it this year and great to see still some good numbers with really mostly only crew from WA, next year is going to be a big one i would say!!

We have to remember ding racing will be a sailing sport long term so the fun some feel when going downwind might really not be apart of the racing side unless the course is set to a way that you have to ride bumps to go downwind. I like to call the wing racing side at the moment POWER dinging as really we are just loading up the power of the wing 90% off the time.

Great to see some many crew getting into it and also great to hear the ones that are doing it are also looking at using it as a stepping stone to paddle downwind as well as this is really a something special side of the sport and while it can be tricky at the start it is something that is well worth the short term pain.

Can we do the KOTC over 3 days next year please so we can SUP one day Ding the next and then DW foil after that!!

PeterP
873 posts
7 Dec 2020 1:05PM
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I agree that foil-downwinding with a paddle is the pinnacle of the two and much better suited to racing.

However, I'm not so sure winging is a stepping-stone to paddle downwinding. I have spent 3 years trying to master paddle-downwinding and I just find it too physical and near impossible unless conditions are absolutely firing.

I'm no spring-chicken anymore and it will be much different for someone younger and lighter but winging has opened up foil-downwinding completely to a point where I can now ride pretty much any distance on foil. With the paddle getting 2-3km on foil would be an achievement and I envy those who manage to stay on foil indefinitely. If you are younger and stronger, read no further, just go and paddle it.

The winging solves the two problems I encounter most with the paddle: 1) Getting up - unless conditions are just right. Wing solves this in a flash. 2) Staying up and having to rely on pumping technique - this can be exhausting with the paddle - with the wing a gentle rear-handle tug and you are back on the next bump.

I went back on paddle a few days ago and it was worse than end of last season - I don't think the wing downwinding has helped. The wing feels like cheating, it's just so much easier - it's the e-bike of downwinding but it's not a racing discipline.

kobo
NSW, 1107 posts
8 Dec 2020 10:13PM
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I'm going to get a blast for this but what the hell. I like the fact that there is not much competition foiling going on and there doesn't appear to be a lot of interest in it.(except for DW )
Most foilers just seem to be into it for the pure enjoyment of it alone ,and not to be competitive or better than someone else.
It's a bit like the early days of surfing, when it was done to escape and and just be in the moment and enjoy the free energy.
Competition with rules,committees,winners,losers,fees,sponsors,protests etc is just the opposite of this, and often just brings out the worst in humanity.
I realise that some money and development is generated through competition, but so far there seems to be enough demand for manufacturers to survive without it.




tightlines
WA, 3501 posts
9 Dec 2020 12:00AM
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LIke the racing side of things or not, it's happening.
I have done every king of the cut and the last 2 years I have winged it, both times I have had a ball but also kinda missed the close racing that sup gives you.
ATM I feel like I almost want to go back to a sup for this race next year, however deep down I'm 99% sure I wont.

It is just way too much fun on a foil, if I feel I can make it I will try to paddle foil it but it is hard work at my age, so I may end up winging again because fun is my priority.

In case you missed it on the sup forum.

bigtone667
NSW, 1543 posts
9 Dec 2020 6:13AM
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That looks magic!!!

kobo
NSW, 1107 posts
9 Dec 2020 7:32AM
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LIke the racing side of things or not, it's happening.



True, and DW foiling is perfect for it, because there is a huge ocean out there that doesn't have to be closed to other people to run it,and doesn't matter how many people enter it will never be crowded.Im totally fine with DW racing ,just hope competition surf foiling doesn't get popular.

frenchfoiler
505 posts
20 Dec 2020 11:54PM
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PeterP said..
Results: live.trackmelive.com.au/KOTC2020/

Almost as many Wings as SUP's and 2 on SUP-foil!

We are slowly doing downwind wing racing here in Cape Town as well but I'm still trying to get my head around it. What I enjoy doing on a wing-downwind is to flag out and surf the bumps with the least use of the wing - but that will never win the race if someone decides to sheet in and do the yachting technique....so for now I just do the races for the novelty.

Wondering what others take is on this?


Sup foil is getting the same, if you can keep up catching bumps in front of you you go faster than carving and having fun.

Winner overall (fastest) : wing 1'00
second ......................... : sup foil 1'09

Same race for everybody ?
How long did it take for the sup foil to reach the bump zone and start flying ??

frenchfoiler
505 posts
20 Dec 2020 11:54PM
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PeterP said..
Results: live.trackmelive.com.au/KOTC2020/

Almost as many Wings as SUP's and 2 on SUP-foil!

We are slowly doing downwind wing racing here in Cape Town as well but I'm still trying to get my head around it. What I enjoy doing on a wing-downwind is to flag out and surf the bumps with the least use of the wing - but that will never win the race if someone decides to sheet in and do the yachting technique....so for now I just do the races for the novelty.

Wondering what others take is on this?


Sup foil is getting the same, if you can keep up catching bumps in front of you you go faster than carving and having fun.

Winner overall (fastest) : wing 1'00
second ......................... : sup foil 1'09

Same race for everybody ?
How long did it take for the sup foil to reach the bump zone and start flying ??

baldy123
WA, 447 posts
21 Dec 2020 9:04PM
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Frenchfoiler.

It is a few minutes for the Sup Foilers to get out into the ocean bumps and take off, so probably deduct 5 minutes off their official time.
Marcus was running an NL190 and stopped a few times to take ribbon weed off his foil.
I think he ended up riding half the race with weed on anyway. I think on a good day the SUP foliers are still fastest craft in the ocean.
The paddlers did a straight line race 24km, wingers had to go closer to shore at the mid-way mark (for a safety checkpoint). I ended up doing 27km on the wing with the zig-zagging around. Hopefully 2021 sees more Sup Foilers in the race, I'm sure the wing fleet will be even bigger.

PeterP
873 posts
22 Dec 2020 12:33PM
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frenchfoiler said..

PeterP said..
Results: live.trackmelive.com.au/KOTC2020/

Almost as many Wings as SUP's and 2 on SUP-foil!

We are slowly doing downwind wing racing here in Cape Town as well but I'm still trying to get my head around it. What I enjoy doing on a wing-downwind is to flag out and surf the bumps with the least use of the wing - but that will never win the race if someone decides to sheet in and do the yachting technique....so for now I just do the races for the novelty.

Wondering what others take is on this?



Sup foil is getting the same, if you can keep up catching bumps in front of you you go faster than carving and having fun.

Winner overall (fastest) : wing 1'00
second ......................... : sup foil 1'09

Same race for everybody ?
How long did it take for the sup foil to reach the bump zone and start flying ??


The Sup-foiler is still using the bumps to be fast - the difference being that the SUP foiler needs to use the bumps to overtake the next (same as SUP and Surf-ski), the winger would actually be faster without the bumps.

Nathan van Vuuren holds the two course records on foil here in Cape Town - 10.4km in 24min on the Wing and 29min on the Foil.

If wind is over 20knots the winger should always be faster, problem I have is, that to be fast, you actually don't want/need to use the bumps and so it becomes purely a yachting discipline.

tightlines
WA, 3501 posts
22 Dec 2020 9:32PM
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If wind is over 20knots the winger should always be faster, problem I have is, that to be fast, you actually don't want/need to use the bumps and so it becomes purely a yachting discipline.





Nah, when it's almost directly downwind you always use the bumps, mad if you miss the opportunity.
I know what you mean though the wind eventually takes over.
Hand wings get bigger, foil wings get smaller and faster

frenchfoiler
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24 Dec 2020 5:09PM
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If wind is over 20knots the winger should always be faster, problem I have is, that to be fast, you actually don't want/need to use the bumps and so it becomes purely a yachting discipline.






Nah, when it's almost directly downwind you always use the bumps, mad if you miss the opportunity.
I know what you mean though the wind eventually takes over.
Hand wings get bigger, foil wings get smaller and faster


I guess we can't compare sup foil vs wing foil, at least when it comes to racing. If the wind is strong, winging will be sailing which will be faster but less fun.

In sup foiling usually we don't use the paddle except for the take off, a run without mistake you don't paddle at all.

I wonder if after taking off on a bump with the wing, you can not use it at all then like sup foiling ??

emmafoils
307 posts
24 Dec 2020 6:34PM
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Great video. Looks like an amazing event. Wish they had shown more of the foilers.



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