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Jybing question clarification

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Created by warwickl > 9 months ago, 8 Dec 2022
warwickl
NSW, 2353 posts
8 Dec 2022 6:41PM
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Today 2 of us discussed jybing.

It revealed that one of us jybes with the leading edge going into the wind and the other guy (me) passes the end of the strut into the wind.

This means we rotate the windwing in the opposite direction to each other.

What do others do?

Dspace
VIC, 320 posts
9 Dec 2022 3:18AM
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Unless I'm missing something:

-Leading edge into the wind; Regular jibe. Most common
-End of strut into wind; Duck jibe/ Heineken jibe. Less common
-First half of backwinded 360/roll wing to toeside; Racing jibe. Least common


Of course other even less common variations:

-Jibe from backwinded stance, either leading edge or clew into wind
-Handle-pass jibe

Almost everyone initiates any jibe/tack with "strong" foot forward

Enjoy them all but Heinie jibes a bit stressful on my ligament challenged left shoulder. Never tried a handle-pass jibe. Does not look easy

Velocicraptor
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9 Dec 2022 12:41AM
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Dspace said..
Unless I'm missing something:

-Leading edge into the wind; Regular jibe. Most common
-End of strut into wind; Duck jibe/ Heineken jibe. Less common
-First half of backwinded 360/roll wing to toeside; Racing jibe. Least common


Of course other even less common variations;:

-Jibe from backwinded stance, either leading edge or clew into wind
-Handle-pass jibe

Almost everyone initiates any jibe/tack with "strong" foot forward

Enjoy them all but Heinie jibes a bit stressful on my ligament challenged left shoulder. Never tried a handle-pass jibe. Does not look easy





Not sure what the correct nomenclature is, but I differentiate between a duck gybe (completely let go of the front handle early and spin the wing through the power window by the back handle only) and a heineken gybe (always maintaining control of the front handle, less powered). The front handle control is the main difference, but I also see the duck gybe as fully powered through the window (like a downloop with a kite), versus the Heineken gybe which holds the wing flatter and then powers towards the edge of the window. Both face the strut into the wind (loop), but they are very different -- at least in how I execute them. My verbiage could be wrong too!

Handlepass tack - yes, but I can't picture a handle pass gybe.

Dspace
VIC, 320 posts
9 Dec 2022 4:24AM
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Velocicraptor said..


Dspace said..
Unless I'm missing something:

-Leading edge into the wind; Regular jibe. Most common
-End of strut into wind; Duck jibe/ Heineken jibe. Less common
-First half of backwinded 360/roll wing to toeside; Racing jibe. Least common


Of course other even less common variations;:

-Jibe from backwinded stance, either leading edge or clew into wind
-Handle-pass jibe

Almost everyone initiates any jibe/tack with "strong" foot forward

Enjoy them all but Heinie jibes a bit stressful on my ligament challenged left shoulder. Never tried a handle-pass jibe. Does not look easy






Not sure what the correct nomenclature is, but I differentiate between a duck gybe (completely let go of the front handle early and spin the wing through the power window by the back handle only) and a heineken gybe (always maintaining control of the front handle, less powered). The front handle control is the main difference, but I also see the duck gybe as fully powered through the window (like a downloop with a kite), versus the Heineken gybe which holds the wing flatter and then powers towards the edge of the window. Both face the strut into the wind (loop), but they are very different -- at least in how I execute them. My verbiage could be wrong too!

I can't picture a handle pass gybe.



Good point! All I know is that a Heinie jibe and my left shoulder do not get along so well.

Sequence on handle pass jibe starting from bottom left (definitely not trivial with two sequential wing "spins" required):

Taavi
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9 Dec 2022 3:48AM
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Velocicraptor said..

Not sure what the correct nomenclature is, but I differentiate between a duck gybe (completely let go of the front handle early and spin the wing through the power window by the back handle only) and a heineken gybe (always maintaining control of the front handle, less powered). The front handle control is the main difference, but I also see the duck gybe as fully powered through the window (like a downloop with a kite), versus the Heineken gybe which holds the wing flatter and then powers towards the edge of the window. Both face the strut into the wind (loop), but they are very different -- at least in how I execute them. My verbiage could be wrong too!

Handlepass tack - yes, but I can't picture a handle pass gybe.




Not sure about the terminology either, but always happy to provide an example clip, if I can do it of course : )



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