Title says it all. Anybody winged more than one of these and care to offer up comparisons? Im on the 1095 and it's excellent for some things (pump, glide and turning for such a wide span, beaches well) but I have issues with loose connections (specifically wing to fuse) and sometimes feel like it's oddly challenging to tack vs more mid aspect wings.
Im on a Cedrus mast and already have a h800 but I'm still figuring that wing out. I already know the Cabrinha connections are far superior to the 1095 though. Im curious whether there are options to replace my 1095, solving the connections without sacrificing what I like about the foil.
I use the 1095 from 12-30 knots. Lots of jumping, down winding and surfing smaller waves. It is my all around foil, supplemented by the 1440 for light wind.
or maybe I should stick with the 1095 and keep jerry rigging/ taping/ shimming the connections.
Have not ridden the eagle (keen to hear about it!), but I have all kujiras and cab. Kuj 1095 has lots of glide but gets a bit out of control at max speed and in powerful waves. H1000 has a slower speed, slower stall and a bit less glide, smoother in the turn because of its pitch stability I believe, still easy to handle at max speed, very balanced foot pressure across the speed range.
1095 for small bumps, fat waves, downwinders, where glide and efficiency matters. H1000 for powerful waves, from knee high to shoulder high, where turning and control matters more than max glide.
The eagle is a monobloc fuselage / wing connection, meaning there's no movement there. I have only tried the 890, and its a very nice wing, very stiff, and amazing glide. My reference wing is the 940 Phantom S, no experience with the kujira or H1000.
there is a new Takuma fuselage adressing this connection problem
takuma.com/en/masts-and-fuselages/305-hd-fuselage.html
Or even better, get one from Jim Stringfellow. No adapters etc and the thing is as sollid as it gets.
Notice that new Takuma fuselage uses an expanding front end like Starboard pioneered +2 years ago.
They seem to have stuck with the same mast and connection though which is disappointing.
Select to expand quoteGrantmac said..
Notice that new Takuma fuselage uses an expanding front end like Starboard pioneered +2 years ago.
They seem to have stuck with the same mast and connection though which is disappointing.
No, actually that new Fuselage is only available right now on the new Alloy HD system(new mast cross section) or new Carbon which is totally different as well.
Select to expand quoteJeroensurf said..
Or even better, get one from Jim Stringfellow. No adapters etc and the thing is as sollid as it gets.
I use the stringy fuse. It is solid but it doesn't address the wing attachment mechanics. No fault of Stringy - that's a Takuma issue. I sheered the bolts for the front wing using the stringy fuse - and no they weren't corroded at all.
the Cabrinha and FOne (and Lift) wings don't have this weak attachment.
Select to expand quotegorgesailor said..Grantmac said..
Notice that new Takuma fuselage uses an expanding front end like Starboard pioneered +2 years ago.
They seem to have stuck with the same mast and connection though which is disappointing.
No, actually that new Fuselage is only available right now on the new Alloy HD system(new mast cross section) or new Carbon which is totally different as well.
do you mean that you can't use the aluminium mast with the new fuselage?
Actually looks like the new Takuma HD fuse solves the play between the wing and fuse (which is probably the reason I sheered the bolts). Might be worth a go.
Select to expand quoteFrankieboy said..gorgesailor said..Grantmac said..
Notice that new Takuma fuselage uses an expanding front end like Starboard pioneered +2 years ago.
They seem to have stuck with the same mast and connection though which is disappointing.
No, actually that new Fuselage is only available right now on the new Alloy HD system(new mast cross section) or new Carbon which is totally different as well.
do you mean that you can't use the aluminium mast with the new fuselage?
Just asked Takuma, the new fuselage is compatible with alu mast. Good news.
Select to expand quoteJust asked Takuma, the new fuselage is compatible with alu mast. Good news.
Not with the old alu mast, you have to geta new alu mast (and baseplate)
Select to expand quoteCamarillo said..Just asked Takuma, the new fuselage is compatible with alu mast. Good news.
Not with the old alu mast, you have to geta new alu mast (and baseplate)
The idea is adding a Takuma adapter from Cedrus to accomodate the new HD fuze on my Cedrus mast
Select to expand quoteFrankieboy said..Camarillo said..Just asked Takuma, the new fuselage is compatible with alu mast. Good news.
Not with the old alu mast, you have to geta new alu mast (and baseplate)
The idea is adding a Takuma adapter from Cedrus to accomodate the new HD fuze on my Cedrus mast
Kyle from Cedrus has the HD fuse and says it works with the latest generation Takuma adapter. Intuitively this would tell me it's also compatible with the existing mast but that's just my guess.
I'm considering this solution as well since the new Takuma fuse has expansion which should solve my loose connection issue.
OK so you're comparing 3 totally different wings,
The Eagle has a higher aspect ratio than the kujira and cabrinha.
I own the 1095 and tried the Eagle 990 (own the Eagle 890), plus own the Sabfoil w1000 and Axis ART
999. All are completely different wings so you need to be specific with what you're looking for from a foil at that span. Carve? Speed? Glide? Pump? Stiffness? Modularity? Price point?
The 1095 is rather big/fragile to jump with but I can't think of a better foil to downwind with.
The Kujira is definitely the king of carving out of the lot, it's not designed for speed where the others will perform better at higher speeds especially the Eagle.
Personally I use the Kujira 980 more over the 1095 as it turns way better and has a wider conditions range of use
And yes the new takuma fuse will solve the play in the fuselage. I currently put rail tape on my fuse to reduce play.
Be cautious with the Takuma cedrus adaptors. The 2021 takuma cedrus adaptor is different to the 2020 adaptor. I had to exchange mine. No doubt Kyle will make one for the new m8 fuse which isn't out yet (they are all still on a ship).
Someone did an instagram tutorial on how he put a filler inside his takuma front wings to make it a snug fit with the fuse but you wouldn't want to do that with the new fuse coming.
It would take even a half decent machinist perhaps 30 minutes to modify an existing fuselage to be expanding.
Food for thought....
Select to expand quoteAlysum said..
OK so you're comparing 3 totally different wings,
The Eagle has a higher aspect ratio than the kujira and cabrinha.
I own the 1095 and tried the Eagle 990 (own the Eagle 890), plus own the Sabfoil w1000 and Axis ART
999. All are completely different wings so you need to be specific with what you're looking for from a foil at that span. Carve? Speed? Glide? Pump? Stiffness? Modularity? Price point?
The 1095 is rather big/fragile to jump with but I can't think of a better foil to downwind with.
The Kujira is definitely the king of carving out of the lot, it's not designed for speed where the others will perform better at higher speeds especially the Eagle.
Personally I use the Kujira 980 more over the 1095 as it turns way better and has a wider conditions range of use
And yes the new takuma fuse will solve the play in the fuselage. I currently put rail tape on my fuse to reduce play.
Be cautious with the Takuma cedrus adaptors. The 2021 takuma cedrus adaptor is different to the 2020 adaptor. I had to exchange mine. No doubt Kyle will make one for the new m8 fuse which isn't out yet (they are all still on a ship).
Someone did an instagram tutorial on how he put a filler inside his takuma front wings to make it a snug fit with the fuse but you wouldn't want to do that with the new fuse coming.
Ok - this is helpful. I've heard from others too that the Eagle 990 is a better comparison to the 1095. You say that the Kujira is better for glide and carve - where is the Eagle better?
I want a beefier wing without sacrificing too much glide and carve vs the Kujira.
Select to expand quoteVelocicraptor said..Alysum said..
OK so you're comparing 3 totally different wings,
The Eagle has a higher aspect ratio than the kujira and cabrinha.
I own the 1095 and tried the Eagle 990 (own the Eagle 890), plus own the Sabfoil w1000 and Axis ART
999. All are completely different wings so you need to be specific with what you're looking for from a foil at that span. Carve? Speed? Glide? Pump? Stiffness? Modularity? Price point?
The 1095 is rather big/fragile to jump with but I can't think of a better foil to downwind with.
The Kujira is definitely the king of carving out of the lot, it's not designed for speed where the others will perform better at higher speeds especially the Eagle.
Personally I use the Kujira 980 more over the 1095 as it turns way better and has a wider conditions range of use
And yes the new takuma fuse will solve the play in the fuselage. I currently put rail tape on my fuse to reduce play.
Be cautious with the Takuma cedrus adaptors. The 2021 takuma cedrus adaptor is different to the 2020 adaptor. I had to exchange mine. No doubt Kyle will make one for the new m8 fuse which isn't out yet (they are all still on a ship).
Someone did an instagram tutorial on how he put a filler inside his takuma front wings to make it a snug fit with the fuse but you wouldn't want to do that with the new fuse coming.
Ok - this is helpful. I've heard from others too that the Eagle 990 is a better comparison to the 1095. You say that the Kujira is better for glide and carve - where is the Eagle better?
I want a beefier wing without sacrificing too much glide and carve vs the Kujira.
The Eagle will go faster and be more stable at high speed than the kujira. But it has a totally different turning technique, the typical HA feel. The kujira still turns like a proper mid aspect surf wing. Lower stall speed on the kujira. Both are super fun foils...
Select to expand quoteI sheered the bolts for the front wing using the stringy fuse - and no they weren't corroded at all.
I stripped one of the stabilizer threads on my "stringy" fuselage after about 10 sessions. Replacing it with a "helicoil" type of repair worked well, but the Cedrus mast has helicoils from the factory, so it would be nice the if Jim's fuselages would have them as well as it's a lot stronger than the M6 thread on raw aluminum.
There will be other fuselage options too.
do you guys think you can shim the mast / fuse to compensate the <90? they build at Takuma? O will be too fragile?
I would prefer this rather then shimming the board/mast
Select to expand quoteFrankieboy said..
do you guys think you can shim the mast / fuse to compensate the <90? they build at Takuma? O will be too fragile?
I would prefer this rather then shimming the board/mast
Putting a shim on the fuse puts more stress on the screws as it forces an angle on those critical screws.
Much safer to put a plate shim as the screws can afford an angle better with the track bolts. I use a 0.8deg plate shim.
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do you guys think you can shim the mast / fuse to compensate the <90? they build at Takuma? O will be too fragile?
I would prefer this rather then shimming the board/mast
I have been shimming at the fuselage for over a year without any issues, usually 1 to 2 degrees. If you have access to a 3d printer, here's a part file. www.thingiverse.com/thing:5441922
I still havent been able to try the Eagle, but I'm hearing that the 990 or maybe even 890 is probably the comparable foil to the 1095 or H1000. I guess the foil section and higher AR gives it lift and stall speeds similar to these larger foils. Curious whether people familiar with the Eagle would agree with this.
FYI, I'm 175-180 lbs, advanced rider, generally using a 60L board in wind between 13-30 kts.
I have only ridden the ART series but I would recommend you shelve all your wings and just ride the cabrinha 800. I find that is the sweet spot for AR 9+ wings and bigger than 90cm width turning is hard as posters are mentioning. You have to commit a few hundred miles though to wire your brain without falling back on your easier foils.
Select to expand quoteVelocicraptor said..
I still havent been able to try the Eagle, but I'm hearing that the 990 or maybe even 890 is probably the comparable foil to the 1095 or H1000. I guess the foil section and higher AR gives it lift and stall speeds similar to these larger foils. Curious whether people familiar with the Eagle would agree with this.
FYI, I'm 175-180 lbs, advanced rider, generally using a 60L board in wind between 13-30 kts.
I would agree with this assessment. The eagle is a very user friendly foil with lift and stall speed similar to larger foils.
I own the 1090 and it is a monster in terms of speed and glide. The kj1095 has the advantage in turning over the 1090
but that shrinks down with the 990, especially if you tune the 990 with the new C200 carving stab. I just got the XXXS fuse
for my F-one setup but haven't had a chance to test it.
That said, I could see how the 1095 would be a one foil quiver. It really is a fun ride with great glide and speed.
I would also be very interested in some comparisons of eagle vs cabrinha h series.
