Currently I own a Sabfoil 899 and 799 for myself and my girlfriend I ride a 105 L slingshot wing craft V2 and she is on a ride engine 80 L moon buddy. I graduated from the Sab Foil W999 (I live in Hood River Oregon and honestly don't need a W999) and I think I want to add a high aspect, front wing, any thoughts or ideas W940? My girlfriend is 115 pounds much better than I am, I'm not opposed to adding a HA for her. At this point, I'm crazy about the W899.
Per usual, thank you, everyone for your help!
I think the main question is what you wanna do with it and what is your level.I,m 93-98kg, using a 90l board and owned a 940/945/799 and still have the 1110+1000 and The 940 is a really nice control foil, but not a lot of glide unless waves get steep.In range imo pretty similar to the 799, but just a bit faster and a bit less pushy in the lift.If you wanna go a lot faster get yourself a W1000 but keep in mind that the W1000 is a lot more technical/nervous/demanding to use as the 799/940.At some days 3-4m days when I got a bit tired and making mistakes with the 1000 I switched to the 940 for a bit easy of use.
Select to expand quoteJeroensurf said..
I think the main question is what you wanna do with it and what is your level.I,m 93-98kg, using a 90l board and owned a 940/945/799 and still have the 1110+1000 and The 940 is a really nice control foil, but not a lot of glide unless waves get steep.In range imo pretty similar to the 799, but just a bit faster and a bit less pushy in the lift.If you wanna go a lot faster get yourself a W1000 but keep in mind that the W1000 is a lot more technical/nervous/demanding to use as the 799/940.At some days 3-4m days when I got a bit tired and making mistakes with the 1000 I switched to the 940 for a bit easy of use.
Well, it seems like everyone is going H/A and looking for more glide. My GF would probably be looking for glide/gorge waves.
Personally, I wish Sabfoil had something like the F-One 7seas 1200 /1000,
Something aimed at good glide (more than the W950 let's say) , but with a small compromise for ease of use vs the ultra high aspect wings .
Haven't tried the W799 or W940, but from what I am hearing they don't fit the bill. Hopefully, a new wing will come out this winter for that purpose ?
Select to expand quotePoimax05 said..
Personally, I wish Sabfoil had something like the F-One 7seas 1200 /1000,
Something aimed at good glide (more than the W950 let's say) , but with a small compromise for ease of use vs the ultra high aspect wings .
Haven't tried the W799 or W940, but from what I am hearing they don't fit the bill. Hopefully, a new wing will come out this winter for that purpose ?
switched to Takuma Kujira for this reason. I guess it is similar to the 7seas in terms of AR.
Too much gap between 999/899/799 or 945 and the 1110/1000/800 foils.
Select to expand quotePoimax05 said..
Personally, I wish Sabfoil had something like the F-One 7seas 1200 /1000,
Something aimed at good glide (more than the W950 let's say) , but with a small compromise for ease of use vs the ultra high aspect wings .
Haven't tried the W799 or W940, but from what I am hearing they don't fit the bill. Hopefully, a new wing will come out this winter for that purpose ?
Yes they are missing something there and that was one of my reasons to switch to the Kujira1210 and the Cabrinha Hseries although the difference between the 945 and the Kujira1210 is really smal. I tried last weekend the Seven Seas1200 and in combo with the carbon Fone mast that combo is an awesome set up, maybe even better as my Cab-H-series1200.
@Coupdevill, I never been at the Gorge, so can,t say anything about the conditions you wing, I see clips of waisthigh bumps and light wind and clips of headhigh nuking. I think when its nukin the 799 is still a very good foil and easy to use with enough glide as long as you stay closer to the steeper sections.An Higher aspect foil allows you to glide longer on a less steep part of the wave/bump.
When its mainly 5-6m conditions I would have a look at the 945, its not crazy High aspect but it has a lot of glide and foremost very easy to use. If you wanna progress and like a challenge, the W1110 and W1000 are the way to go, but they are both quite demanding, and need a new Fuse and if you are on the old system probably a smaller stab like the 399 as well.
At the same time: although SAB still makes pretty good foils some brands stepped up there game and simply have better wings.
The Fone 7seas are simply as easy to use, faster and have more glide, the Cab H series is a lot written about in the Sup foil topics are also standouts and so are the Takuma Kujira,s. (but needs a stiffer mast as the standard alu one).
I left sabfoil winging due to the selection at the beginning of the year, went to GoFoil, they have a strong, thin (14mm) carbon mast, and new steps in the wings. The are really great in terms of simple system, no maintenance or tefgel required. They also have wings in the AR 8-10 range now, admittedly they won't be as fast as wings without steps but how often are you riding mach speed, and if top speed all the time is want you're after then GF probably not for you.
GF are ok at speed, I can push the RS1150 past 20knots winging, but their sweet spot is waves and throwing them around, breaching the tips without falling off etc, more fun imo.
I have no regrets shifting across, if project cedrus did a mast around 14mm I'd definitely be a customer, but not with a 19mm fatty.
I still kept my 91/W800/399 for kiting, this is my favourite foil of all time and use this to reference every other foil in term of dimensions and specs. I can easily cruise at 25knots kiting, easy to control, and it has a slow stall speed and great for carving chop on a small kiteboard, I'm 105kgs.
The Fone 7seas will have nice glide and in the perfect AR ratio IMO between 7-8, I'd certainly like to demo this and if I were looking for a new setup def worth a look, shame about the price tag in Australia
Select to expand quoteJeroensurf said..Poimax05 said..
Personally, I wish Sabfoil had something like the F-One 7seas 1200 /1000,
Something aimed at good glide (more than the W950 let's say) , but with a small compromise for ease of use vs the ultra high aspect wings .
Haven't tried the W799 or W940, but from what I am hearing they don't fit the bill. Hopefully, a new wing will come out this winter for that purpose ?
Yes they are missing something there and that was one of my reasons to switch to the Kujira1210 and the Cabrinha Hseries although the difference between the 945 and the Kujira1210 is really smal. I tried last weekend the Seven Seas1200 and in combo with the carbon Fone mast that combo is an awesome set up, maybe even better as my Cab-H-series1200.
@Coupdevill, I never been at the Gorge, so can,t say anything about the conditions you wing, I see clips of waisthigh bumps and light wind and clips of headhigh nuking. I think when its nukin the 799 is still a very good foil and easy to use with enough glide as long as you stay closer to the steeper sections.An Higher aspect foil allows you to glide longer on a less steep part of the wave/bump.
When its mainly 5-6m conditions I would have a look at the 945, its not crazy High aspect but it has a lot of glide and foremost very easy to use. If you wanna progress and like a challenge, the W1110 and W1000 are the way to go, but they are both quite demanding, and need a new Fuse and if you are on the old system probably a smaller stab like the 399 as well.
At the same time: although SAB still makes pretty good foils some brands stepped up there game and simply have better wings.
The Fone 7seas are simply as easy to use, faster and have more glide, the Cab H series is a lot written about in the Sup foil topics are also standouts and so are the Takuma Kujira,s. (but needs a stiffer mast as the standard alu one).
Very good info, thanks Jeroen!
For winging I (80kg) use pretty much for every condition 945 + 399 and 82cm mast from SAB. However, although in ok swell the setup glides pretty well added with some pumping I would like to have a better glide, I feel the mast is a bit flexy (esp. with 1110 or the fuselage connection), and a bit draggy setup.
Would you be able to compare the 7Seas setup with carbon mast to the 945 SAB setup, please?
Much appreciated!
That is for me very hard to do as I sold my Sab82 mast in april when my Cedrus arrived and the 945 not long after.
Right now I have:
SAB1110/1000Kujira1210Cabrinha Hseries1200/1000/800.
Compared to my Cedrus with Cab H1200 , foilparts fuse and KD13R stab (set of the day I tried the 7seas) the Fone set up is to start with stiff enough for my 93-95kg because I didn't notice a lot of flex. The carbon Cab mast I demoed is 13cm but for my weight too flexy. With the Fone carbon the flex isn't noticeable. It is not as precise as my uber stiff Cedrus, but if there is any flex it didn't bother me (as it did with the CAB).
The 7seas needs a bit more wind/work to get going compared with my Cab H1200, I think on par with the Kujira1210/SAB945, and once going it has a serious acceleration, turns very well and has more than enough glide with a relative low stallspeed. An higher stallspeed as the Cab1200, but probably on par with the Kujira1210/945 while the 7seas feels faster and more agile as all of them.
Overall I was really impressed by it.
I love the compatibility of the Cedrus mast, but makes me rethink the possibility, and might be performance gains of a thinner mast
With 3 diff brands wings i,m not to eager to switch, but when I should start over again/sold everything the Fonme carbon mast with 7seas would be high on the potential stuff.
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Select to expand quoteJeroensurf said..Poimax05 said..
Personally, I wish Sabfoil had something like the F-One 7seas 1200 /1000,
Something aimed at good glide (more than the W950 let's say) , but with a small compromise for ease of use vs the ultra high aspect wings .
Haven't tried the W799 or W940, but from what I am hearing they don't fit the bill. Hopefully, a new wing will come out this winter for that purpose ?
Yes they are missing something there and that was one of my reasons to switch to the Kujira1210 and the Cabrinha Hseries although the difference between the 945 and the Kujira1210 is really smal. I tried last weekend the Seven Seas1200 and in combo with the carbon Fone mast that combo is an awesome set up, maybe even better as my Cab-H-series1200.
@Coupdevill, I never been at the Gorge, so can,t say anything about the conditions you wing, I see clips of waisthigh bumps and light wind and clips of headhigh nuking. I think when its nukin the 799 is still a very good foil and easy to use with enough glide as long as you stay closer to the steeper sections.An Higher aspect foil allows you to glide longer on a less steep part of the wave/bump.
When its mainly 5-6m conditions I would have a look at the 945, its not crazy High aspect but it has a lot of glide and foremost very easy to use. If you wanna progress and like a challenge, the W1110 and W1000 are the way to go, but they are both quite demanding, and need a new Fuse and if you are on the old system probably a smaller stab like the 399 as well.
At the same time: although SAB still makes pretty good foils some brands stepped up there game and simply have better wings.
The Fone 7seas are simply as easy to use, faster and have more glide, the Cab H series is a lot written about in the Sup foil topics are also standouts and so are the Takuma Kujira,s. (but needs a stiffer mast as the standard alu one).
Great advice, thank you!
Rumours has it that Sabfoil will be presenting a range of (high aspect) front wings. The Leviathan 1550 being the second (and the w1350 the first).
Leviathan 950/1150/1350/1550
Also WT633 and 790. Wonder what it is? New production of the 633 and 790?
check out:
sabfoil.ch/produkt-kategorie/products/front-wings/
Will they work well for winging ?
The 1115 seems interesting. The WL950 seems a different version than the W950 (same aspect ratio of 6.7) = not much more glide ?
And then nothing smaller thant 1350 cm2 .... Unfortunately, it does not look to be any competition to the seven seas or Cabrinha H-Fusion.
In numbers:
Leviathan (took from sabfoil.ch)
Span 1150 mm
Surface 1580 cm2
Chord 170 mm
AR 8,37
Thick 22,6 mm
Connect T8
w1110
Span 1110mm
Surface 1180 cm2
Chord 132,6mm
AR 10,4
Thick 14 mm
Connect T6
Leviathan looks draggier and more lifty. They look different. Very annoying that the w1110 doesn't come with T8 holes, which means to run a w1110 on a kraken mast it'll cost 590 euro for the wing + 280 for a new T6-kraken fuse.. So expect the entry price for the Leviathan (T8) to be also around 870 euro.
