Hi
ive just got the HOS 930 &375 progressive stab. was riding Naish HA1400 set up.
riding a Naish 95, and mast foot about 15mm from back of box.
I was out to day in not very nice conditions, gusty plus swell.(first go of it)
I found it really difficult to get on foil, typical breach stall heading out into swell. went better coming back managed to get on foil a few times, but still tricky. old set up I could get on foil really quickly, couple of pumps or point and shoot.
I had a really difficult session, felt like a learner again. :(
any advice appreciated please. thanks in advance.
Hi
I had the same experience with exactly the same foil set up and board on my first sessions.
My next few sessions were on relatively calm surface conditions and I figured out how to get speed up to get foiling.
Now I can get it going in gusty and rough conditions no problem.
Hope that helps.
Not the same size but I moved from Naish HA1040 to Unifoil Hyper 170 and now been testing the HPS830/375 over past week in light to current 25-35knt gusting storm in WA. All relatively the same size with the Naish HA1040 slightly higher AR. The Axis rides, glides and turns amazing but to get started pumping it does need to be pointed a little bit more downwind vs. the other two in my use own use case and pump technique. Hope this helps mate.
Select to expand quoteKarlLQ said..
Hi
I had the same experience with exactly the same foil set up and board on my first sessions.
My next few sessions were on relatively calm surface conditions and I figured out how to get speed up to get foiling.
Now I can get it going in gusty and rough conditions no problem.
Hope that helps.
Thanks appreciate it, flat water spot tomorrow for some practice.
Select to expand quotestanley71 said..
Not the same size but I moved from Naish HA1040 to Unifoil Hyper 170 and now been testing the HPS830/375 over past week in light to current 25-35knt gusting storm in WA. All relatively the same size with the Naish HA1040 slightly higher AR. The Axis rides, glides and turns amazing but to get started pumping it does need to be pointed a little bit more downwind vs. the other two in my use own use case and pump technique. Hope this helps mate.
When I got it on foil it was super fast, loved it.
I think I was not pointing down wind that much, when the gusts came they were heavy and default for me is more cross wind. Coming back on swell was better and that's prob as running down wind a bit more.
thanks for the input.
Axis foils have a bit of sea saw launch , they come up quick and then you need to stomp on the front foot like balancing on a sea saw to keep on the foil , if you miss that initial lift or lean back it will stall , you quickly get used to it.
Select to expand quotePiros said..
Axis foils have a bit of sea saw launch , they come up quick and then you need to stomp on the front foot like balancing on a sea saw to keep on the foil , if you miss that initial lift or lean back it will stall , you quickly get used to it.
I only experience that if board speed is too slow and/or mast is too far forward.
I have the 930 HPS, 1099 and 899 ARTs and use the 350p stab, each front wing requires a different mast positions.
Select to expand quotewarwickl said..Piros said..
Axis foils have a bit of sea saw launch , they come up quick and then you need to stomp on the front foot like balancing on a sea saw to keep on the foil , if you miss that initial lift or lean back it will stall , you quickly get used to it.
I only experience that if board speed is too slow and/or mast is too far forward.
I have the 930 HPS, 1099 and 899 ARTs and use the 350p stab, each front wing requires a different mast positions.
What is your method for getting on foil in light winds with the 930.
I was out today on flat water and got it working really nicely. Only issue Is I don't have the light wind technique dialled yet. Still feel like it's wanting to beach/stall. I'm really having to load front leg which is taking some adjusting to.
thanks.
What works for me at 76kg and not a naturally skilled wingfoiler.
I have 5.5 Duotone dlab, 930 HPS with 350p stab on the shortest black fuselage.
I can get up on the foil in less than 10kn on flat lake water. My mast position is about midway in the track on my Fanatic 105l TE board.
My technique is to pump for maximum board speed before trying to release the board from the water. The combination of board speed and release happens quickly. My pumping technique is a semi pull down and back of the wing and not stopping until full speed foiling. The mistake I previously made was to stop pumping the windwing which would cause the issues you are having so keep pumping.
Select to expand quotewarwickl said..Piros said..
Axis foils have a bit of sea saw launch , they come up quick and then you need to stomp on the front foot like balancing on a sea saw to keep on the foil , if you miss that initial lift or lean back it will stall , you quickly get used to it.
I only experience that if board speed is too slow and/or mast is too far forward.
I have the 930 HPS, 1099 and 899 ARTs and use the 350p stab, each front wing requires a different mast positions.
@warwickl, when do you use the 930 rather than the 1099. Overall wondering what role hps plays in a wing quiver. In other words, why not just the ARTs? Thx
I have 740 and 810 BCS, 930 HPS, 899 and 1099 ARTs and have used all windwing. I bought the 740 for kite foiling however it's fantastic for windwing as well, the 810 for light wind kite foiling and turbulent messy water but a good around wing.
Love all my wings.
However, if I was only to have one combination it would be the 930 HPS with 350p stab.
Having said that currently the 899 ART is my favourite from 11,12 kn wind upwards.
The 1099 is excellent light wind and fantastic however, I need to commit more for jybing and frequency fail but getting there.
My next acquisition will be an Advanced fuselage and expect it will work well with the 1099.
While I continue to incrementally make progress turning 76 next month is my excuse for my skills. 
Select to expand quotewarwickl said..
I have 740 and 810 BCS, 930 HPS, 899 and 1099 ARTs and have used all windwing. I bought the 740 for kite foiling however it's fantastic for windwing as well, the 810 for light wind kite foiling and turbulent messy water but a good around wing.
Love all my wings.
However, if I was only to have one combination it would be the 930 HPS with 350p stab.
Having said that currently the 899 ART is my favourite from 11,12 kn wind upwards.
The 1099 is excellent light wind and fantastic however, I need to commit more for jybing and frequency fail but getting there.
My next acquisition will be an Advanced fuselage and expect it will work well with the 1099.
While I continue to incrementally make progress turning 76 next month is my excuse for my skills.
Congratulations on 76, that's awesome. Makes my 58 seem like a wee boy. re pumping, do you pump the board aggressively as well. My problem is board rears up then stalls far to quickly. I have mast right at the back of box in Naish 95. Feet in comfortable position on deck when on foil.
I can get up on foil no probs when powered and board builds speed staying level. it's the stalling that annoys me. A lot to learn again. once on foil it feels great. thanks for help.
RGM
Key is board speed and keep pumping until at full speed foiling when light wind
Select to expand quotewarwickl said..
RGM
Key is board speed and keep pumping until at full speed foiling when light wind
Another thought, do you have the shim fitted to the stabiliser?
If so remove it.
Select to expand quotewarwickl said..warwickl said..
RGM
Key is board speed and keep pumping until at full speed foiling when light wind
Another thought, do you have the shim fitted to the stabiliser?
If so remove it.
No shims fitted.
thanks.
Quick update. I have a Takoon s450 stab which I managed to fit. foil feels a lot easier to get going, less rise and stall. Feels a much nicer set up for me, think I will use the Takoon stab to help build the technique. thanks for all the input guys appreciate it.
Select to expand quotewarwicki said..
My next acquisition will be an Advanced fuselage..
While I continue to incrementally make progress turning 76 next month is my excuse for my skills.
I'd be curious to hear how you get along with the +40 fuse. I'm 68 yrs old. For me, it only took ten minutes to reject it. I'm too old for that ****. Like riding on a squirrels back.
It's awesome Axis has the option though. I feel bad for anyone my age riding a brand with only the riding a squirrels back option.
I went from Armstrong to an Axis 980 / 400p with an Ultrashort fuse on a Sky Wing 5"2" 2022. What I discovered is I needed the mast all the way back, where on the Armstrong it was almost all the way forward. In fact, I couldn't get it far back enough so I switched the stab to a 375p and it made it better, but I've now ordered and Advanced Crazy short fuse which is about 5cm shorter, but also moved the mast 40mmm forward. This should take care of it.But anyway, I know you said 930... but what I found is that if you're too far back on the board, or the mast is too far forward, and you begin lifting before you have enough speed, the angle will be too steep and you'll stall it. Put more front foot pressure, or move forward some more and pump a little longer to get more speed before lifting. Once up, hold that front pressure down to keep it from stalling.
Select to expand quoteFoilWays said..
I went from Armstrong to an Axis 980 / 400p with an Ultrashort fuse on a Sky Wing 5"2" 2022. What I discovered is I needed the mast all the way back, where on the Armstrong it was almost all the way forward. In fact, I couldn't get it far back enough so I switched the stab to a 375p and it made it better, but I've now ordered and Advanced Crazy short fuse which is about 5cm shorter, but also moved the mast 40mmm forward. This should take care of it.But anyway, I know you said 930... but what I found is that if you're too far back on the board, or the mast is too far forward, and you begin lifting before you have enough speed, the angle will be too steep and you'll stall it. Put more front foot pressure, or move forward some more and pump a little longer to get more speed before lifting. Once up, hold that front pressure down to keep it from stalling.
Thanks for input.
I fitted a Takoon 450s stab and it works great now, very manageable.
Hi Warwicki and the others! :)
I wondered again what would be a better setup for "turbulent messy water" plus gusty strong winds.
I got the PNG 910 with 420speed. This was some kind of unstable and imbalanced. So I thought about the HPS 930 would be better because it can cut the chop. But also I thought about the BSC 810 or 890. But the last once got more volume and less AR!??
It was around 18 knots with fxxxxx strong gusts and wind swell from about 50cm. What u guys think again? Cause I asked once in another thread.
Cheers
HPS are your best bet in choppy waters, stay well clear of ART for these waters. You can use BSC and they are fun but generally slower than the HPS but a bit more surfy in feeling when you carve them. With the HPS you can use freeride tails to make them a bit slower and much more calm / predictable as well as more pitch stable. Alternatively progressive stabs if you are a bit more advanced with your foiling technique and less prone to getting into roller coasting and breaching and want something faster with more glide and looser in the carve.
Yes thanx I thought so. But this 420 Speed with winglets also is more for flat conditions.... Right?
Select to expand quoteDriks said..
Hi Warwicki and the others! :)
I wondered again what would be a better setup for "turbulent messy water" plus gusty strong winds.
I got the PNG 910 with 420speed. This was some kind of unstable and imbalanced. So I thought about the HPS 930 would be better because it can cut the chop. But also I thought about the BSC 810 or 890. But the last once got more volume and less AR!??
It was around 18 knots with fxxxxx strong gusts and wind swell from about 50cm. What u guys think again? Cause I asked once in another thread.
Cheers
I've been using the 930+375 since posting in August. I wing in choppy gusty conditions quite often and it does work really nice, did take a while to get used to it. bought the 1050 for light wind days and glide in swell. I don't have any experience of the other models in the axis range to compare with.
As a lot have already said you need to turn off the wind a bit more with the HPS, but also i find if you generate a bit of board speed through pumping both wing and board before you do helps a lot with getting them up and not stalling straight away.
