Armstrong riders, I've been making myself ride the 1125 in all conditions (wing/SUP) lately just to dial it in more and understand it better. Love it for winging; turns pretty nicely, great glide. Feel challenged by it foil SUPing; getting stuck in turns and thrown off at times trying to correct lines. This is in stark contrast to the 925 and 725 which feel very comfy to ride. Using a 72 mast mostly for SUP and an 85 for winging. Chopped 232 and V tail. Plus one setting on 60 cm fuse for 72 mast and 232, -2 setting on 60cm fuse with 85 mast and V tail. Armstrong FG 115 at track setting 7 for SUP, 90 kg rider. For winging mast is fully forward in Quatro 90L, which feels great.
Any tuning or technique tips experienced 1125 riders have found? Primarily it's SUPing the 1125 that has me feeling like a passenger!
Select to expand quoteWindoc said..
Armstrong riders, I've been making myself ride the 1125 in all conditions (wing/SUP) lately just to dial it in more and understand it better. Love it for winging; turns pretty nicely, great glide. Feel challenged by it foil SUPing; getting stuck in turns and thrown off at times trying to correct lines. This is in stark contrast to the 925 and 725 which feel very comfy to ride. Using a 72 mast mostly for SUP and an 85 for winging. Chopped 232 and V tail. Plus one setting on 60 cm fuse for 72 mast and 232, -2 setting on 60cm fuse with 85 mast and V tail. Armstrong FG 115 at track setting 7 for SUP, 90 kg rider. For winging mast is fully forward in Quatro 90L, which feels great.
Any tuning or technique tips experienced 1125 riders have found? Primarily it's SUPing the 1125 that has me feeling like a passenger!
I only demoed the 1125 once (winging) but also noticed the "getting stuck" feeling when trying to turn it. At that time I was only riding HS wings so it could be that I didn't know how to ride it properly yet, but a couple of weeks ago I got the 925 and I've had about 15 sessions or so on it, and in contrast that was very easy to get comfortable on.
From what I've heard, riding the 1125 with the 50 fuse is the best way to loosen it up. But unfortunately I can't report on that myself.
Select to expand quoteWindoc said..
Armstrong riders, I've been making myself ride the 1125 in all conditions (wing/SUP) lately just to dial it in more and understand it better. Love it for winging; turns pretty nicely, great glide. Feel challenged by it foil SUPing; getting stuck in turns and thrown off at times trying to correct lines. This is in stark contrast to the 925 and 725 which feel very comfy to ride. Using a 72 mast mostly for SUP and an 85 for winging. Chopped 232 and V tail. Plus one setting on 60 cm fuse for 72 mast and 232, -2 setting on 60cm fuse with 85 mast and V tail. Armstrong FG 115 at track setting 7 for SUP, 90 kg rider. For winging mast is fully forward in Quatro 90L, which feels great.
Any tuning or technique tips experienced 1125 riders have found? Primarily it's SUPing the 1125 that has me feeling like a passenger!
I found your post after struggling to jibe winging today on the 1125. I get stuck midway through the turn and get bucked off back into the direction I was turning away from. Any hints on making it through the transition?
Can only comment on prone , but 50 fuse with V tail is the best for this and back in the tracks not forward makes a huge difference to turning control.
This is what I feel like when I ride the 1125, tough wing to master some do well most don't. There is plenty of easier rigs to ride.
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This is what I feel like when I ride the 1125, tough wing to master some do well most don't. There is plenty of easier rigs to ride.
Haha! Totally. I finally ponied up for the 50cm fuse and winged the 1125 twice yesterday with MUCH better results. It's a different foil with the 50cm vs the 60cm but definitely more pitch sensitive. I played around with yawing the foil to the outside of the turn before banking over and that also made a massive difference; suddenly the turns were much sharper and the tip came out often without too much drama. Simply banking this foil over to turn seems like it gets you into the "one legged air dancer" position more frequently like in Piros' video, so the yaw first technique seems to really help in getting a positive feel in the turn. Still tempted to chop it but can't quite make myself do it yet 
. The 50 fuse really lights up the bigger foils (1850 is unreal now for a big foil!).
Select to expand quoteWindoc said..Piros said..
This is what I feel like when I ride the 1125, tough wing to master some do well most don't. There is plenty of easier rigs to ride.
Haha! Totally. I finally ponied up for the 50cm fuse and winged the 1125 twice yesterday with MUCH better results. It's a different foil with the 50cm vs the 60cm but definitely more pitch sensitive. I played around with yawing the foil to the outside of the turn before banking over and that also made a massive difference; suddenly the turns were much sharper and the tip came out often without too much drama. Simply banking this foil over to turn seems like it gets you into the "one legged air dancer" position more frequently like in Piros' video, so the yaw first technique seems to really help in getting a positive feel in the turn. Still tempted to chop it but can't quite make myself do it yet . The 50 fuse really lights up the bigger foils (1850 is unreal now for a big foil!).
By yawing the foil to the outside, does this mean torquing about the long axis of the mast (by pushing on the front and pulling the back foot parallel to the board deck)? Yawing as opposed to pitch fore and aft or roll port and starboard? How do you think yawing towards the outside of the upcoming turn help before initiating the roll to turn? I am trying to imagine the maneuver before my next opportunity to experiment with the 1125. Do you think the FV200 or HA195 would be best to getting through the turn?
I'm still struggling with the 1125. I tried it with the V200. It likes to slide out during the jibe. It felt like I was drifting through the turn, didn't like it at all. Waiting to try the 195 when it is back in stock in the shop.
I had the same issues and it is funny how that 1125 throws you off the board in a bad turn. My favorite setting is with 85cm mast, 70cm fuselage and HA195 tail with no shims and the foil as far forward as possible (diy board...). It needs a bit of pressure on the rail to keep turning, which is a complete difference to the HS-wings so. Now I am looking forward to test the 925 to see if it is easier to handle.
David
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I had the same issues and it is funny how that 1125 throws you off the board in a bad turn. My favorite setting is with 85cm mast, 70cm fuselage and HA195 tail with no shims and the foil as far forward as possible (diy board...). It needs a bit of pressure on the rail to keep turning, which is a complete difference to the HS-wings so. Now I am looking forward to test the 925 to see if it is easier to handle.
David
May I ask how much you weight? At 82-85kg, I only missed few first jibes before I nailed it and I really like to ride it in certain conditions. But with 1525, which is new to me, I have had those throw over board moments in half way of jibe.
I'm using 85cm mast, 60cm fuse, 195 tail with red shim.
Select to expand quoteSiksvan said..DB2 said..
I had the same issues and it is funny how that 1125 throws you off the board in a bad turn. My favorite setting is with 85cm mast, 70cm fuselage and HA195 tail with no shims and the foil as far forward as possible (diy board...). It needs a bit of pressure on the rail to keep turning, which is a complete difference to the HS-wings so. Now I am looking forward to test the 925 to see if it is easier to handle.
David
May I ask how much you weight? At 82-85kg, I only missed few first jibes before I nailed it and I really like to ride it in certain conditions. But with 1525, which is new to me, I have had those throw over board moments in half way of jibe.
I'm using 85cm mast, 60cm fuse, 195 tail with red shim.
I weigh 65kg . I wonder if the scaling of weight ratio and wing area ratio is proportional? (85/65=1.31, 1525/1125=1.35) I'm using the 85cm mast 60cm fuse, FV200 + red shim, but I also gave the HA195 so should try that combo
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I had the same issues and it is funny how that 1125 throws you off the board in a bad turn. My favorite setting is with 85cm mast, 70cm fuselage and HA195 tail with no shims and the foil as far forward as possible (diy board...). It needs a bit of pressure on the rail to keep turning, which is a complete difference to the HS-wings so. Now I am looking forward to test the 925 to see if it is easier to handle.
David
For me, the 925 turns easily compared to the 1125. The 1125 is about 20% larger by area , and, at 65kg, perhaps that makes it behave like my HS 1250 or even easier to turn. I've used it on the 70cm fuselage with the HS232, HA195 tails with red shim and don't get hung up in the turn like the 1125. I am determined to master the 1125, though because of its low wind performance. The 925 requires stronger, more consistent wind for me to really enjoy it, and the 1125 rises easily and glides well in less stable lighter winds. I just struggle with transitions. Compared to the 1550v2, I enjoy the 1125 more and feel that I can avoided breaches more easily and can catch and ride small wind swell without difficulty. I haven't tried anything larger like the 1325 or 1850 or the new 2050.
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I'm still struggling with the 1125. I tried it with the V200. It likes to slide out during the jibe. It felt like I was drifting through the turn, didn't like it at all. Waiting to try the 195 when it is back in stock in the shop.
In the next session , I will try with the Ha195 to see if that works better than the Fv200. I am red-shimming it in the hopes that that helps avoid hanging up mid transition. I wonder if my intuition is flawed though? I should try different shims, too.
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By yawing the foil to the outside, does this mean torquing about the long axis of the mast (by pushing on the front and pulling the back foot parallel to the board deck)? Yawing as opposed to pitch fore and aft or roll port and starboard? How do you think yawing towards the outside of the upcoming turn help before initiating the roll to turn? I am trying to imagine the maneuver before my next opportunity to experiment with the 1125. Do you think the FV200 or HA195 would be best to getting through the turn?
Yes, imagine the board sitting on a turn table. You first initiate this rotation to the outside of the turn you are about to make (you push/pull opposite feet to spin the board a little first). This is easy to practice going in a straight line without adding the second step of banking/rolling over. So if you are turning right, you yaw the board to the left before rolling your ankles (key bit here) and then banking the board into a roll. This seems to set up the foil to eagerly want to bank around and "catch up" to your body position which is now inside the turn aligned with the angle of the mast. Really engaging the roll of the ankles and feet unlocks the yaw/roll aspect much more so than simple leaning heel/toe. When you get it right, the foil feels like it lights up and really drives around. I'd listened to the Progression Project Podcast a while back and they described this approach in a KDMaui interview. I think they called it "flying the foil to the outside". It's often subtle, but in watching good guys rip on HA foils, it seems that many are using this technique. It's almost like you're trying to stay a half step ahead of the foil with your body position and then the foil happily gets the input it needs to flow through the turn. I'm very much an advanced intermediate at best but am getting some fantastic feelings using this technique, especially with a short 50cm or 60cm fuse on the HA foils. Not sure how it'll feel on a 70cm.
Select to expand quoteWindoc said..dapara2004 said..
By yawing the foil to the outside, does this mean torquing about the long axis of the mast (by pushing on the front and pulling the back foot parallel to the board deck)? Yawing as opposed to pitch fore and aft or roll port and starboard? How do you think yawing towards the outside of the upcoming turn help before initiating the roll to turn? I am trying to imagine the maneuver before my next opportunity to experiment with the 1125. Do you think the FV200 or HA195 would be best to getting through the turn?
Yes, imagine the board sitting on a turn table. You first initiate this rotation to the outside of the turn you are about to make (you push/pull opposite feet to spin the board a little first). This is easy to practice going in a straight line without adding the second step of banking/rolling over. So if you are turning right, you yaw the board to the left before rolling your ankles (key bit here) and then banking the board into a roll. This seems to set up the foil to eagerly want to bank around and "catch up" to your body position which is now inside the turn aligned with the angle of the mast. Really engaging the roll of the ankles and feet unlocks the yaw/roll aspect much more so than simple leaning heel/toe. When you get it right, the foil feels like it lights up and really drives around. I'd listened to the Progression Project Podcast a while back and they described this approach in a KDMaui interview. I think they called it "flying the foil to the outside". It's often subtle, but in watching good guys rip on HA foils, it seems that many are using this technique. It's almost like you're trying to stay a half step ahead of the foil with your body position and then the foil happily gets the input it needs to flow through the turn. I'm very much an advanced intermediate at best but am getting some fantastic feelings using this technique, especially with a short 50cm or 60cm fuse on the HA foils. Not sure how it'll feel on a 70cm.
Yep great description, the 1125 with 50 fuse prone pumping back out to the next wave will turn 180 degrees on the face of an oncoming wave in a very small radius if you twist it first then bank it around after!
