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Getting "backwinded" in gybes

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Created by thedoor > 9 months ago, 9 Oct 2021
thedoor
2469 posts
9 Oct 2021 10:32AM
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About 20 sessions in riding slingshot shredsled 142, slingwing V2s, and more recently phantasm 926.

Doing real good I reckon overall, but I run into this problem gybing esp if in a wind hole where the wing assumes a vertical position and it makes things difficult. Normally the wing stays more horizontal over my head which makes things a lot easier.

Is this "vertical backwinding" a technique issue or related to me going fast enough to outrun the wind and the wing dropping?

If its the second option perhaps tacking in wind holes is preferred?

Windoc
442 posts
9 Oct 2021 12:11PM
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Jibing into a hole requires a sharper turn to avoid outrunning the wing. "Flicking" the front hand to help the wing around to the new tack is useful too.

mcrt
643 posts
9 Oct 2021 12:46PM
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This works very well.Just takes some practice.

Rodskeg
NSW, 107 posts
9 Oct 2021 6:54PM
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Youngbreezy
WA, 1198 posts
9 Oct 2021 7:30PM
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thedoor said..
About 20 sessions in riding slingshot shredsled 142, slingwing V2s, and more recently phantasm 926.

Doing real good I reckon overall, but I run into this problem gybing esp if in a wind hole where the wing assumes a vertical position and it makes things difficult. Normally the wing stays more horizontal over my head which makes things a lot easier.

Is this "vertical backwinding" a technique issue or related to me going fast enough to outrun the wind and the wing dropping?

If its the second option perhaps tacking in wind holes is preferred?


I know exactly what you mean as this happens to me every so often. What's happening is as you gybe you lose apparent wind causing the trailing edge to drop. Same thing happens when running downwind with the wing flagged out. Much more of an issue in lighter winds.

What I do to counter act this during a gybe is I flick my back hand up as I let go of the wing. Essentially pushing the trailing edge upwards causing the wing to fly more horizontal during the gybe. I feel like this works well.

thedoor
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9 Oct 2021 11:09PM
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Youngbreezy said..


thedoor said..
About 20 sessions in riding slingshot shredsled 142, slingwing V2s, and more recently phantasm 926.

Doing real good I reckon overall, but I run into this problem gybing esp if in a wind hole where the wing assumes a vertical position and it makes things difficult. Normally the wing stays more horizontal over my head which makes things a lot easier.

Is this "vertical backwinding" a technique issue or related to me going fast enough to outrun the wind and the wing dropping?

If its the second option perhaps tacking in wind holes is preferred?




I know exactly what you mean as this happens to me every so often. What's happening is as you gybe you lose apparent wind causing the trailing edge to drop. Same thing happens when running downwind with the wing flagged out. Much more of an issue in lighter winds.

What I do to counter act this during a gybe is I flick my back hand up as I let go of the wing. Essentially pushing the trailing edge upwards causing the wing to fly more horizontal during the gybe. I feel like this works well.



So kind of push up the back of the wing so it floats a bit longer in the horizontal position so I can get through most of the gybe before it falls to vertical?

Thanks others for videos and suggestions

EDIT: great explanation re apparent wind issues in that video at 2 min or so

WhiteofHeart
783 posts
10 Oct 2021 2:48AM
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Turn sharper & switch / flip the wing earlier & "actively". You want to actively push the back handle into the new position & switch hands instead of waiting for it to turn (in light winds).

sunsetsailboards
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10 Oct 2021 4:18AM
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you can also do a duck jibe so the LE points downwind (into the apparent wind) in the apex of your turn. there are a few different ways do do this.

thedoor
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18 Oct 2021 11:08AM
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WhiteofHeart said..
Turn sharper & switch / flip the wing earlier & "actively". You want to actively push the back handle into the new position & switch hands instead of waiting for it to turn (in light winds).


Do you think this approach to gybing works in higher wind? Generally, I like to use techniques that are universal, less skills to master and I would have more opportunities to practice the low wind technique (which is clearly more challenging for me) if I could practice in high wind too



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