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GOfoil GT 2200 - Any feedback?

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Created by Pauloz > 9 months ago, 21 Mar 2022
Pauloz
VIC, 116 posts
21 Mar 2022 9:57AM
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Hello, I Looking for any feedback on the GOfoil GT 2200 for Wingfoiling.
I have the GT 1400 but given I am not able to pump up effectively (for a number of reasons).
I want a lighter wind tool. The 2200 is the next size up in the GT range.

Do any of you use the 2200 for winging and what feedback would you give

My specs:
Weight: 86 kg, Fitness: poor, Age 60s, Skill: experienced kite foiler.
Wing foiling: starting to dial in gybes. Happy once up.

Thanks in advance
cheers
Paul

BigSeppo
120 posts
21 Mar 2022 8:00AM
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Shockingly easy and good, with the 20" tail. Exactly what you need. No kidding!

Full on session saver... That may save more sessions than you expect.

Gets going early. But (while not fast) it is extremely fast.... for it's very large size. And so easy you don't even realize you are killing it.

Glides around jibes staying on foil so long you practically have time to make a sandwich. So you can increase your skills in marginal conditions.

A nice compliment to the 1400. When there's enough wind where you feel like you should be going faster, slip on the 1400. They feel very similar. The 2200 is just an easy / lazy version of the 1400. But the overlap is far enough apart that it is worth having both at this stage in your development.

RS 1300 will be the next step for more wind / higher speeds. Very fast, and very easy. Still maintains the Go Foil family feel.

Don't hesitate! Get the 2200!!!

One caveat, I am 100kg++

Another caveat, Alex from Go Foil says to only use the 20" tail with the 2200. The 14" is too small. I rode it on a fast downwinder with the 14" tail, before I heard Alex say that. The foil dropped and lifted out of nowhere... as Alex described. I won't do that again.

No affiliation with Go Foil. I ride Armstrong, Axis, Takuma Kujira, Lift... But since you already have a 1400 setup this is a no brainer

hilly
WA, 7901 posts
21 Mar 2022 8:20AM
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Try the 1400 with a bigger tail. @105kg I can get the 1400 going super early with a 18-inch tail and a 6m wing. I am interested in the FTL20. 2200 is a massive foil and my experience with 1850 and 2400 foils was less than thrilling, note my focus is riding swell. I suggest a demo before purchase. I have not used the 2200 it may be a different animal.

BigSeppo
120 posts
21 Mar 2022 8:25AM
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20" tail works just fine with the 1400 and does increase the low end.

I agree Hilly the 2400 and 1850 you speak of are "less than thrilling" -- easy but don't have much top end. Good at what they do, but you outgrow them.

2200 gets to be a bit of a handful going downwind / down swell for sure. It handles the speeds better than you might expect because of its thin profile. But you can't fight physics there.

Top end is higher than you might expect.

Peak sustained flat water speeds around 13 knots / 15 mph. Not an Axis ART foil. But good at what it does.

BigSeppo
120 posts
21 Mar 2022 8:34AM
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Hilly the 20" tail is surprising.

It's SO big... it shouldn't work.

But it does.

Even on the RS 1300! For big guys on the RS 1300 and 20" tail it pulls off the trick of being extremely fast and extremely easy at the same time. Plenty of time in transitions.

I only have two sessions on the 1300 and 20". Will be interesting to compare it to the RS 1300 with a 14".

Stoked, and surprised, with this big tail.

Pauloz
VIC, 116 posts
21 Mar 2022 1:04PM
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Thanks for the replies !!

Food for thought
Maybe part of my current issue is that I am using a KAI tail wing.
Any knowledge on this tail? gofoilaustralia.com.au/collections/tails/products/1-5-kai-tail-wing

No opportunity to demo in Melbourne that I am aware.

Much appreciated.
Paul

BigSeppo
120 posts
21 Mar 2022 10:42AM
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That tail is from the Old Testament, in foil years. Some older stuff works alright tho! Not sure how it would work with the GT 1400. Specs line up ok. But the shape is not used much anymore.

It would likely / possibly be mismatched / undersized with the GT 2200, but I don't have experience with the two together.

BigSeppo
120 posts
21 Mar 2022 10:47AM
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The 20" fixed tail is extremely stable, glides forever through jibes, is surprisingly fast for it's size, and would likely get you flying before the Kai tail.

You might consider that.

drlazone
155 posts
21 Mar 2022 2:52PM
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Pauloz said..
Thanks for the replies !!

Food for thought
Maybe part of my current issue is that I am using a KAI tail wing.
Any knowledge on this tail? gofoilaustralia.com.au/collections/tails/products/1-5-kai-tail-wing

No opportunity to demo in Melbourne that I am aware.

Much appreciated.
Paul


I have used the Maliko tail, another relic from the Old Testament, the bigger brother of the Kai tail, with NL190, and it makes the NL190 very unstable side to side, just doesn't work together.
I imagine the same with the GT1400 (essentially the NL190 with steps).

drlazone
155 posts
21 Mar 2022 2:55PM
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Does the flip tip 17.5 works with the GT2200? Would you shim it for more lift to match the FTL20?

Pauloz
VIC, 116 posts
21 Mar 2022 8:54PM
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Interesting that I have arranged to test my mates 17 flip tip. Will be interesting, although not sure I have the skill to discern the differences as yet.

baldy123
WA, 451 posts
21 Mar 2022 11:17PM
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I use my GT2200 for winging in sub 10knots with a 5m. It works great. Won't win any speed races, but gets you flying with ease. I tend to pump around a lot on it when winging in light wind and practice downwind glide technique. I also surf it in 1ft slop. It is by far the best BIG wing I've used when Compared to others like axis 1020, GF M280, Armie1850. I use the GT2200 with the FTL14 and it works just fine. It also handles wing tip breaches when winging, can't say I've had that with any other big medium aspect wing this size.
I'd try a new 14 or 20 fixed tail first with the GT1400 and then see if you really need the bigger front wing.

drlazone
155 posts
22 Mar 2022 10:05PM
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drlazone said..
Does the flip tip 17.5 works with the GT2200? Would you shim it for more lift to match the FTL20?


Just an update.
Got to try the GT2200 with the flip 17.5, shimmed 1mm more lift.
Works great.
Actually good speed if well powered with the wing, same speed as an Armstrong 1850 I was following, no over lift if pushing.
Take off ridiculously easy. At the lowest wind moment (la Ventana) I was the only one flying with the kitefoils. 68kg, Gofoil 4'9 60L, Strike 6m.
Turns are slow as expected but does turn.
Pumping is super easy slow pumps& glide.

BigSeppo
120 posts
22 Mar 2022 10:52PM
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Go Foil GT 2200 with FTL 20" tail


A / B tested yesterday vs

The dinosaur Go Foil Maliko 280 with original blue Maliko tail -

M280 is a known dog.... But also known as possibly the earliest lifting foil.


Light wind. 8.0 F One CWC wing. Floaty Kalama E3 board.

Successive short 10-minute runs changing front and rear wings. Speed in mph.

Data from Garmin watch (nice to see data instead of opinion)


Conclusions.

* Massive difference in performance.

* GT 2200 with FTL20 tail was better in basically every way. Makes the M280 obsolete except for very large intermediate heavyweights in light winds and some beginner situations, as it still flies early for sure.

* Basically throw away the old big blue tail. Very slow and draggy. Use the FTL20 instead. The chart somewhat shows how slow, but you could feel the drag It was super slow around jibes. To say something positive, the big blue tail's stall speed was super low, so you could dig out of holes at the end of a jibe at almost no speed. Also you could Ollie up on that tail early and to dig out of jibes really well at very low speeds.

* M280 with the newer FTL20 was a far better M280 experience. More glide around jibes and less draggy feel. The speeds only show a small increase but the feel was far better. Very smooth takeoff, about as smooth as it gets. Good to instill confidence in big beginners.

* The 2200 pointed far higher upwind... Even when fully lit with the FTL20 tail the M280 struggled to point anywhere near what the 2200 could.

* I tried the 2200 with the old blue tail as well. I was trying to test all combos. It worked... But there was no benefit to using it. Worse in every way. Less pointing ability, less speed, no gain in stability, nothing.

* Top speed hit that day was 18 mph with the GT 2200 and FTL 20 combination. Quicker than you might think! Super easy combo. Glide for days through transitions. A great setup to improve on in light winds.

I assumed the Maliko 280 would win at super super low end. And it probably barely did win... for a guy my size.

For everyone else, the GT 2200 would be flying as early as anything, and be far more fun.

Simple conclusion: The GT 2200 and FTL20 is a bundle of fun in light winds. From near M280 levels of low end with far greater top end and fun factor.

(The M280 might never be topped for flat water starts though!)

hilly
WA, 7901 posts
23 Mar 2022 1:42PM
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On a 4 8 board. It is a big sucker

motogon
204 posts
11 Mar 2023 12:46AM
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How GT2200 compares to GT2600? Anybody has experience with those two?

camerongraham
NSW, 205 posts
11 Mar 2023 7:47AM
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Whilst we're at it
What about the EZ1800 v GT2200
For light wind winging primarily - 80kg rider
Currently my biggest front wing is an NL190 which I use with the 20" tail.
I'd buy a GT2200 if I could find a used one but so far nothing has come up in Australia

Thatspec
440 posts
11 Mar 2023 2:24PM
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The GL 240 can often be picked up very inexpensively. It's about 1800cm3 if I recall and with the FTL-20 will hit 18mph+. Probably a bit harder to hold down at top speed than the GT and slower acceleration as it's a thicker foil section.

Loving the FTL-20 with the RS1300 and 1150 this winter on big rolling ocean swell. I can't feel any significant speed penalty over the 14.5 when the ocean is really a mess and have no need to turn that tight anyway.

Bet the FTL-17 would be a great compromise.

baldy123
WA, 451 posts
11 Mar 2023 7:03PM
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I've got both 17" FTL and FTS and these tails work with all my foils. Really nice on the GT2200. Short makes it very easy to turn. Long makes it very pitch stable and easy to ride high on the mast to reduce drag. I'm a big fan of the GT2200. I've tried the 2600 and 1770, but the 2200 remains the pick of the bunch for me. I bought the 2200 primarily for SUP downwind, but find I use it for SUPSurf in tiny waves a lot and it works great for sub 10knot winging.

motogon
204 posts
12 Mar 2023 5:41AM
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baldy123 said..
... I'm a big fan of the GT2200. I've tried the 2600 and 1770, but the 2200 remains the pick of the bunch for me. I bought the 2200 primarily for SUP downwind, but find I use it for SUPSurf in tiny waves a lot and it works great for sub 10knot winging.


So, how is in your opinion 2600 compares to 2200?

baldy123
WA, 451 posts
12 Mar 2023 6:22AM
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Motogon

2600 is slower but has probably 30% more lift than the 2200. It is super easy to paddle start on a sup with tiny waves. I haven't tried it winging. I think if you are pushing 100kg then the 2600 could be a good option. For me at 85kg the 2200 does what I want from it. Max speed I've got out the 2200 is 28km/h. No stats on the 2600.

motogon
204 posts
12 Mar 2023 6:51AM
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Thank you!

DVU
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16 Mar 2023 9:22AM
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Pauloz said..
Interesting that I have arranged to test my mates 17 flip tip. Will be interesting, although not sure I have the skill to discern the differences as yet.



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motogon said..
How GT2200 compares to GT2600? Anybody has experience with those two?


DVU
3 posts
16 Mar 2023 9:22AM
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Pauloz said..
Interesting that I have arranged to test my mates 17 flip tip. Will be interesting, although not sure I have the skill to discern the differences as yet.



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motogon said..
How GT2200 compares to GT2600? Anybody has experience with those two?


RAF142134
451 posts
16 Mar 2023 4:31PM
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Oh seems like more GoFoilers are showing up these days, thanks to all for sharing your experience and rides. I believe there is a GT 1770 out there which may fit the bill, also the stone age M200 (maliko) is a very user friendly light wind session saver and fun wing, I currently run the M200 and the NL220 with the FT short 14.5 and love these set ups, amazing fun and no negatives for me
gofoil.com/foil-specs/






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