From what I can see out in the foil world
some manufacturers produce a range of front wings
, stabs and even fuselages
so that you can keep your foil set up and find a wing to produce the ride you are looking for
perhaps you can add to this list and add your comments
axis
gong (huge selection)
starboard
naish
F2
f-one
moses sab foil
sroka
go foil
armstrong (very large selection)
nsp
neilpryde
aztron (only 3 wings as far as I know)
cabrinah
slingshot / ride engine (same foil just rebranded)
zeeko
liquid force
some manufacturers offer about 5 wings, others like gong offer a plethora of choice
- find the perfect ride for the perfect day
I would add to the Axis that you've got a HUGE selection of wings, stabs and fuses.
Yep agreed about axis, however unlike go foil they have 2 separate fuselage configurations and therefore wings are only compatible with either the red or black fuse series (quite a lot of talk about ventilation of the mast but as I don't own one I cannot comment myself)
Select to expand quotesultanofwing said..some manufacturers produce a range of front wings, stabs and even fuselages
Who would have thought
Do the companies with a huge range of wings have the time to test them all thoroughly? Or is it the case of "we test size X and then just make a slightly bigger and a slightly smaller version"?
I know that Gong have 2 full time testers in their employ who are constantly giving feedback to the owner / shaper who also tests the majority of their products too
@hilly - I thought I'd post this as I keep finding foils that have zero options after you purchase or only 2 options, so I was thinking this would be interesting for people who want to buy into a product that has something of a future as far as progressing and meeting different condtions waves / flat water, high / low winds etc. etc.
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I know that Gong have 2 full time testers in their employ who are constantly giving feedback to the owner / shaper who also tests the majority of their products too
@hilly - I thought I'd post this as I keep finding foils that have zero options after you purchase or only 2 options, so I was thinking this would be interesting for people who want to buy into a product that has something of a future as far as progressing and meeting different condtions waves / flat water, high / low winds etc. etc.
Might be easier calling out the ones with no future. The vast majority of companies seem to be gearing up for the long haul and have different foils to suit different users.
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I know that Gong have 2 full time testers in their employ who are constantly giving feedback to the owner / shaper who also tests the majority of their products too
@hilly - I thought I'd post this as I keep finding foils that have zero options after you purchase or only 2 options, so I was thinking this would be interesting for people who want to buy into a product that has something of a future as far as progressing and meeting different condtions waves / flat water, high / low winds etc. etc.
Is 2 enough though? What works great for a 70 kg rider may not be so great for someone 90 kg.
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I know that Gong have 2 full time testers in their employ who are constantly giving feedback to the owner / shaper who also tests the majority of their products too
@hilly - I thought I'd post this as I keep finding foils that have zero options after you purchase or only 2 options, so I was thinking this would be interesting for people who want to buy into a product that has something of a future as far as progressing and meeting different condtions waves / flat water, high / low winds etc. etc.
Is 2 enough though? What works great for a 70 kg rider may not be so great for someone 90 kg.
Most foils are designed for 90kg riders imo. Consider the market, this isn't a cheap sport and most riders are thereabouts at this weight range when they can afford to spend this much.
Up until recently, most smaller foils were all towing based and big wave riding, very few are for the smaller rider, but there is more coming out. I dare say the market is covered now at the 90kg size
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I know that Gong have 2 full time testers in their employ who are constantly giving feedback to the owner / shaper who also tests the majority of their products too
@hilly - I thought I'd post this as I keep finding foils that have zero options after you purchase or only 2 options, so I was thinking this would be interesting for people who want to buy into a product that has something of a future as far as progressing and meeting different condtions waves / flat water, high / low winds etc. etc.
Is 2 enough though? What works great for a 70 kg rider may not be so great for someone 90 kg.
Most foils are designed for 90kg riders imo. Consider the market, this isn't a cheap sport and most riders are thereabouts at this weight range when they can afford to spend this much.
Up until recently, most smaller foils were all towing based and big wave riding, very few are for the smaller rider, but there is more coming out. I dare say the market is covered now at the 90kg size
Lol, well I'm 70 kg and you just burst that bubble for me. Neil Pryde sail range charts say "based on a 75 kg rider". So I always assumed that was the weight of an average windsports tester.
Looks like Vayu are rebadging all the old discontinued Axis red series gear as their own brand.
1020, 920, 820, 1000, 900, 910.
Probably a few foil dinosaurs in their that should remain extinct.
669Euro for a 1020!! LOL!
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I know that Gong have 2 full time testers in their employ who are constantly giving feedback to the owner / shaper who also tests the majority of their products too
@hilly - I thought I'd post this as I keep finding foils that have zero options after you purchase or only 2 options, so I was thinking this would be interesting for people who want to buy into a product that has something of a future as far as progressing and meeting different condtions waves / flat water, high / low winds etc. etc.
I don't know of any that don't have multiple wing choices.
Add Takuma:
Front Wings:
Kujira 500, 750, 980, 1095HA, 1210, 1440
Helium 1500, 1750
Profoil 1300, 1600, 1900
tails: Kujira 158/178/220 Helium 218 Profoil 270,300
All fit standard fuselage all generations.
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Yep agreed about axis, however unlike go foil they have 2 separate fuselage configurations and therefore wings are only compatible with either the red or black fuse series (quite a lot of talk about ventilation of the mast but as I don't own one I cannot comment myself)
SAB also does this w/ their HA wings like W1000, W800, W1110, etc... while perhaps not as good for being universally compatible, I think, like Axis, it is a design optimization.
I would also add Slingshot Phantasm. Lots of front wings, three fuse length, but only two stab right now. Good thing is that the fuselage seems to be 90% compatible with the Moses/SAB front wings and stabs... some small gaps but screw spacing is the same. If you can marry those two collections, it really is a large availability of different rides.
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I know that Gong have 2 full time testers in their employ who are constantly giving feedback to the owner / shaper who also tests the majority of their products too
@hilly - I thought I'd post this as I keep finding foils that have zero options after you purchase or only 2 options, so I was thinking this would be interesting for people who want to buy into a product that has something of a future as far as progressing and meeting different condtions waves / flat water, high / low winds etc. etc.
Is 2 enough though? What works great for a 70 kg rider may not be so great for someone 90 kg.
Most foils are designed for 90kg riders imo. Consider the market, this isn't a cheap sport and most riders are thereabouts at this weight range when they can afford to spend this much.
Up until recently, most smaller foils were all towing based and big wave riding, very few are for the smaller rider, but there is more coming out. I dare say the market is covered now at the 90kg size
Lol, well I'm 70 kg and you just burst that bubble for me. Neil Pryde sail range charts say "based on a 75 kg rider". So I always assumed that was the weight of an average windsports tester.
I don't know of many 70/75kg riders who need 1500cm2+ size foils.. Seems to be plenty of bigger foils around.
That being said I'm only considering HA. MA and LA are another story, but we don't really ride these for winging anyway.
Anyway, my point is really derived from axis which sees the demographic and offers specifically to it. Pre ART (still too big at 799), you had to ride towing wings if you wanted to go small.
Thanks for chiming in,
I see most of you guys have a heap of TOW (which is what makes this and other forums so interesting and valuable) and lots of equipment under the feet, so really appreciate the feedback, might add that Go Foil (that I personally like) have a range of wings IF you can get your wing on and off the fuse lol (with a hammer as recommended by the designer himself)
Actually what started this post was a guy wanted to sell me a beautiful foil (no names mentioned) for a very good price and I nearly went for it, but when I checked their website I realised they only had 2 wings - which I felt despite how well the foil looked designed and made was rather limiting over time
and I am bit jealous of all you people who have a shed load of goodies to ride on
+1 for Takuma - personally love the design idea of the kujira (which means 'whale' in Japanese btw)
Select to expand quoteKing Crash said..Faff said..King Crash said..Faff said..sultanofwing said..
I know that Gong have 2 full time testers in their employ who are constantly giving feedback to the owner / shaper who also tests the majority of their products too
@hilly - I thought I'd post this as I keep finding foils that have zero options after you purchase or only 2 options, so I was thinking this would be interesting for people who want to buy into a product that has something of a future as far as progressing and meeting different condtions waves / flat water, high / low winds etc. etc.
Is 2 enough though? What works great for a 70 kg rider may not be so great for someone 90 kg.
Most foils are designed for 90kg riders imo. Consider the market, this isn't a cheap sport and most riders are thereabouts at this weight range when they can afford to spend this much.
Up until recently, most smaller foils were all towing based and big wave riding, very few are for the smaller rider, but there is more coming out. I dare say the market is covered now at the 90kg size
Lol, well I'm 70 kg and you just burst that bubble for me. Neil Pryde sail range charts say "based on a 75 kg rider". So I always assumed that was the weight of an average windsports tester.
I don't know of many 70/75kg riders who need 1500cm2+ size foils.. Seems to be plenty of bigger foils around.
That being said I'm only considering HA. MA and LA are another story, but we don't really ride these for winging anyway.
Anyway, my point is really derived from axis which sees the demographic and offers specifically to it. Pre ART (still too big at 799), you had to ride towing wings if you wanted to go small.
I'm on a cabrinha H1200. According to their chart, I should be on a 1000 at most. Anyway, it has never felt too big so far.
Select to expand quotesultanofwing said..
Thanks for chiming in,
I see most of you guys have a heap of TOW (which is what makes this and other forums so interesting and valuable) and lots of equipment under the feet, so really appreciate the feedback, might add that Go Foil (that I personally like) have a range of wings IF you can get your wing on and off the fuse lol (with a hammer as recommended by the designer himself)
Actually what started this post was a guy wanted to sell me a beautiful foil (no names mentioned) for a very good price and I nearly went for it, but when I checked their website I realised they only had 2 wings - which I felt despite how well the foil looked designed and made was rather limiting over time
and I am bit jealous of all you people who have a shed load of goodies to ride on
+1 for Takuma - personally love the design idea of the kujira (which means 'whale' in Japanese btw)
More choice, more decision fatigue.
Cabrinha H-series - fuse integrated into front wing. Only 4 front wings to choose from. One stab. Easy.
Select to expand quoteFaff said..King Crash said..Faff said..King Crash said..Faff said..sultanofwing said..
I know that Gong have 2 full time testers in their employ who are constantly giving feedback to the owner / shaper who also tests the majority of their products too
@hilly - I thought I'd post this as I keep finding foils that have zero options after you purchase or only 2 options, so I was thinking this would be interesting for people who want to buy into a product that has something of a future as far as progressing and meeting different condtions waves / flat water, high / low winds etc. etc.
Is 2 enough though? What works great for a 70 kg rider may not be so great for someone 90 kg.
Most foils are designed for 90kg riders imo. Consider the market, this isn't a cheap sport and most riders are thereabouts at this weight range when they can afford to spend this much.
Up until recently, most smaller foils were all towing based and big wave riding, very few are for the smaller rider, but there is more coming out. I dare say the market is covered now at the 90kg size
Lol, well I'm 70 kg and you just burst that bubble for me. Neil Pryde sail range charts say "based on a 75 kg rider". So I always assumed that was the weight of an average windsports tester.
I don't know of many 70/75kg riders who need 1500cm2+ size foils.. Seems to be plenty of bigger foils around.
That being said I'm only considering HA. MA and LA are another story, but we don't really ride these for winging anyway.
Anyway, my point is really derived from axis which sees the demographic and offers specifically to it. Pre ART (still too big at 799), you had to ride towing wings if you wanted to go small.
I'm on a cabrinha H1200. According to their chart, I should be on a 1000 at most. Anyway, it has never felt too big so far.
If you're at the back of the box it shouldn't.
Just don't get hung up on size rather focus on the aspect ratio, refer to my note above, 799 feels too big for a lot of riders. How can 730cm2 feel big you ask? It's what the ratio projects the area out into. 1200 cm2 might have a AR of 7-8 making 1200 feel like 1200. But the 799 feels like 1000cm at speed. Just like how ART will only go to 1100, it's what it projects out into.
Select to expand quoteKing Crash said..Faff said..King Crash said..Faff said..King Crash said..Faff said..sultanofwing said..
I know that Gong have 2 full time testers in their employ who are constantly giving feedback to the owner / shaper who also tests the majority of their products too
@hilly - I thought I'd post this as I keep finding foils that have zero options after you purchase or only 2 options, so I was thinking this would be interesting for people who want to buy into a product that has something of a future as far as progressing and meeting different condtions waves / flat water, high / low winds etc. etc.
Is 2 enough though? What works great for a 70 kg rider may not be so great for someone 90 kg.
Most foils are designed for 90kg riders imo. Consider the market, this isn't a cheap sport and most riders are thereabouts at this weight range when they can afford to spend this much.
Up until recently, most smaller foils were all towing based and big wave riding, very few are for the smaller rider, but there is more coming out. I dare say the market is covered now at the 90kg size
Lol, well I'm 70 kg and you just burst that bubble for me. Neil Pryde sail range charts say "based on a 75 kg rider". So I always assumed that was the weight of an average windsports tester.
I don't know of many 70/75kg riders who need 1500cm2+ size foils.. Seems to be plenty of bigger foils around.
That being said I'm only considering HA. MA and LA are another story, but we don't really ride these for winging anyway.
Anyway, my point is really derived from axis which sees the demographic and offers specifically to it. Pre ART (still too big at 799), you had to ride towing wings if you wanted to go small.
I'm on a cabrinha H1200. According to their chart, I should be on a 1000 at most. Anyway, it has never felt too big so far.
If you're at the back of the box it shouldn't.
Just don't get hung up on size rather focus on the aspect ratio, refer to my note above, 799 feels too big for a lot of riders. How can 730cm2 feel big you ask? It's what the ratio projects the area out into. 1200 cm2 might have a AR of 7-8 making 1200 feel like 1200. But the 799 feels like 1000cm at speed. Just like how ART will only go to 1100, it's what it projects out into.
All the H-series foils - 1200, 1000, 800 (except the 650) are 900 wide.
Signature/SPG and Fanatic have a nice range too.But agree with Hilly that it is easier and quicker to name the ones that haven,t have a variety of frontwings and stabs
AK Durable Supply have x3 front-wing ranges, Plasma, Tracer and Trek. If you take all their front-wings, masts, fuses and tails then you have over 3,500 different possible combinations.....
Select to expand quoteKing Crash said..Faff said..King Crash said..Faff said..sultanofwing said..
I know that Gong have 2 full time testers in their employ who are constantly giving feedback to the owner / shaper who also tests the majority of their products too
@hilly - I thought I'd post this as I keep finding foils that have zero options after you purchase or only 2 options, so I was thinking this would be interesting for people who want to buy into a product that has something of a future as far as progressing and meeting different condtions waves / flat water, high / low winds etc. etc.
Is 2 enough though? What works great for a 70 kg rider may not be so great for someone 90 kg.
Most foils are designed for 90kg riders imo. Consider the market, this isn't a cheap sport and most riders are thereabouts at this weight range when they can afford to spend this much.
Up until recently, most smaller foils were all towing based and big wave riding, very few are for the smaller rider, but there is more coming out. I dare say the market is covered now at the 90kg size
Lol, well I'm 70 kg and you just burst that bubble for me. Neil Pryde sail range charts say "based on a 75 kg rider". So I always assumed that was the weight of an average windsports tester.
I don't know of many 70/75kg riders who need 1500cm2+ size foils.. Seems to be plenty of bigger foils around.
That being said I'm only considering HA. MA and LA are another story, but we don't really ride these for winging anyway.
Anyway, my point is really derived from axis which sees the demographic and offers specifically to it. Pre ART (still too big at 799), you had to ride towing wings if you wanted to go small.
Kingcrash, I think it depends on what you want to do and what your skill level is.
I'm very much an intermediate, 70kg & looking to get going in as little wind as possible. I've got the Axis png 1300 (1700cm2) and can get going in 10 knots. I also have the HA 900 (1280cm2) and it won't get me going in less than around 12 knots. For me, surface area makes a massive difference in light wind flying. Granted, the HA900 is way faster than the 1300 once up, but that's not so much my focus.
My 2c worth.
