Code R series front foil for winging. Looking for comments and opinions of actual user experience.
Select to expand quotedorothyinste said..
Code R series front foil for winging. Looking for comments and opinions of actual user experience.
interested in this 
Had a 860r had amazing lift and glide for its size. Small tails and short fuses loosened it up. Go small I would recommend
Hard to beat the S series for winging. You can definitely wing the R Series but they don't turn as well as an equivalent sized S. Great glide and efficiency.
R is fun in the right conditions, but S is always good and the go to.
Build quiver of S first, then throw spare money at an R.
Have been winging and sup foiling the 860 and 1075 for almost a year now at 90Kg. Very forgiving and turny for 13AR foils. Your choice of R or S series is entirely dependent on how you like to foil. If you are in breaking waves and/or prefer to be well powered by your wing choose the S. If you prefer to pump up the smallest possible wing to get upwind and ride the swell flagged out choose the R.
Both are great. Make sure your board has the boxes far enough forward.
Just made the switch from Axis to Code. I had a FB1070 I loved, and I just had my first session on the 860R. Both front wings have impressive wind range and turn very well for my needs. They are pretty forgiving and not as technical to ride as you might imagine. I am not prone surfing or winging in big waves. I am rocketing upwind and looking for swell to flag the wing and fun banks to turn on. I think these higher AR R foils the top speed is overrated and playful turning is underrated. I would do a head to head demo if possible. I am happy so far.
Generally, if the conditions are good, I prefer S. I ride my 850S the most. However, if it's light I enjoy riding the 960R more. The other day I picked up a 770R and rode it on a day where I would normally be on the 850S. It was fun. The glide is addictive. I would say it's great for mowing the lawn in really flat water, or if you want extra glide on bumps. That said, I feel the 850S still has the edge. The 770R wasn't that much faster... maybe even about the same. Also, the 850S turns better and I can jump it. I don't jump the R series cause that's just asking for trouble.
OMG! Today I rode the Code 680R, small fuse and 120R stab. Completely stoked at the performance! The grin on my face! Winging this setup has re-invigorated my enthusiasm for foiling. Thank you Code team for this product. Much gratitude to the research and development, the commitment needed to bring such a well polished (so to speak) foil to market for ordinary people to use.
SO, I ride 980/720S with m/s fuses. I was going to get a 615S but maybe I should get a 600R for winging, whatya reckon?
Select to expand quoteMikedubs said..
SO, I ride 980/720S with m/s fuses. I was going to get a 615S but maybe I should get a 600R for winging, whatya reckon?
There is a gentleman (mrricksurfs) on a recent YouTube short frothing on about the 600R used with his wing setup. His stoke convinced me go to the R series. The Code 680R was closest to my older Cabrinha H2 850 in span. Absolutely no regrets in choosing the smaller R series for winging. The next addition will most likely be the 600R. I highly recommend.
I been always a very vocal supporter of S foils for winging (own 1130S and 850S).
However today my view is changed. I tried the 860R and 770R for winging today in mixed conditions 12-25kt and they were fabulous.
By far this is the most fun, turns and accessible high AR front I tried.
I was kinda traumatized by the Armstrong DWP 685 and 755 which did not turn well and had higher stall speed and I thought an AR 13 front was not suitable for winging in waves.
The Code R series proved me wrong.
Cant recommend them more, particularly for winging
Select to expand quoteSlowlyButSurely said..
I been always a very vocal supporter of S foils for winging (own 1130S and 850S).
However today my view is changed. I tried the 860R and 770R for winging today in mixed conditions 12-25kt and they were fabulous.
By far this is the most fun, turns and accessible high AR front I tried.
I was kinda traumatized by the Armstrong DWP 685 and 755 which did not turn well and had higher stall speed and I thought an AR 13 front was not suitable for winging in waves.
The Code R series proved me wrong.
Cant recommend them more, particularly for winging
Curious to see if you had a chance to use the R series for winging when the see is really rough (ie really windy)? How do they behave? Thanks.
Select to expand quotepanpanace said..SlowlyButSurely said..
I been always a very vocal supporter of S foils for winging (own 1130S and 850S).
However today my view is changed. I tried the 860R and 770R for winging today in mixed conditions 12-25kt and they were fabulous.
By far this is the most fun, turns and accessible high AR front I tried.
I was kinda traumatized by the Armstrong DWP 685 and 755 which did not turn well and had higher stall speed and I thought an AR 13 front was not suitable for winging in waves.
The Code R series proved me wrong.
Cant recommend them more, particularly for winging
Curious to see if you had a chance to use the R series for winging when the see is really rough (ie really windy)? How do they behave? Thanks.
1075R and 1250R really struggling with white water and strong currents.
On the contrary 860R and 770R very smooth and on par with the 980S and 850S.
I have been a long time winger on the 850S. Found some extra money and decided to purchase an R series. While on the S I would notice that it worked well in waves when we got them(rarely) but not so great for long period DW style swell that we normally get. I would get passed up by the bumps. I recently purchased a 860R after trying a few friends 680r and 770r. I found the 680r and 770r just a tad small for me. I can finally keep up with those quick dw bumps and find that I do not have any trouble in waves either. One point to mention is that I have not felt the "blow up" effect when riding head high plus bumps on crazy windy days like I did on other brands of foils. Same setup every time and no problems. I have found that the foil is fast in waves so I have to shed speed in the flats of the wave if you want to stay in the pocket but for me that is not a problem, just a different riding style. The 860r feels so much faster than the 850s which is a fun change. I am able to wing with my 7m and ML board in 8kts with the 850s but need 10kts for the 860r(I've only ridden it a handful of times and still figuring out the drop dead speed zone). For me, if I am winging I will choose the 860r and prone/tow boogie I will be using the 850s.
Select to expand quoteSlowlyButSurely said..panpanace said..SlowlyButSurely said..
I been always a very vocal supporter of S foils for winging (own 1130S and 850S).
However today my view is changed. I tried the 860R and 770R for winging today in mixed conditions 12-25kt and they were fabulous.
By far this is the most fun, turns and accessible high AR front I tried.
I was kinda traumatized by the Armstrong DWP 685 and 755 which did not turn well and had higher stall speed and I thought an AR 13 front was not suitable for winging in waves.
The Code R series proved me wrong.
Cant recommend them more, particularly for winging
Curious to see if you had a chance to use the R series for winging when the see is really rough (ie really windy)? How do they behave? Thanks.
1075R and 1250R really struggling with white water and strong currents.
On the contrary 860R and 770R very smooth and on par with the 980S and 850S.
Thanks, that's great to read.
Select to expand quoteVenturaShaper said..
I have been a long time winger on the 850S. Found some extra money and decided to purchase an R series. While on the S I would notice that it worked well in waves when we got them(rarely) but not so great for long period DW style swell that we normally get. I would get passed up by the bumps. I recently purchased a 860R after trying a few friends 680r and 770r. I found the 680r and 770r just a tad small for me. I can finally keep up with those quick dw bumps and find that I do not have any trouble in waves either. One point to mention is that I have not felt the "blow up" effect when riding head high plus bumps on crazy windy days like I did on other brands of foils. Same setup every time and no problems. I have found that the foil is fast in waves so I have to shed speed in the flats of the wave if you want to stay in the pocket but for me that is not a problem, just a different riding style. The 860r feels so much faster than the 850s which is a fun change. I am able to wing with my 7m and ML board in 8kts with the 850s but need 10kts for the 860r(I've only ridden it a handful of times and still figuring out the drop dead speed zone). For me, if I am winging I will choose the 860r and prone/tow boogie I will be using the 850s.
Insteresting that lots love the 860R for winging. My conditions are bay swell and chop, and I like the 850s using a 4.5m mostly. I thought the 860R would be a fun 5.5m cruiser, but I hate it for winging. Doesn't turn powered up, goes too fast to ride slow chop, and has an evil penchant for poking holes in my wing. Works great on a downwind board though.
I use the 770R as my super light wind foil (6-8 knots) for winging with my downwind gear. When there's little energy, minimal bumps, or a bit of swell but not a lot of wind, I find it way more fun compared to the bigger S series (I'd compare it to the 980S in terms of lift). It's fast, glidy, pumps well, and still maneuverable with the S Fuse and a small tail (I usually ride the 142 AR with it). However, as soon as there's a bit more energy in the water, I'll switch straight to the S (or the 810X if there are waves)
Yeah I'm going to go against the trend here (been riding code for a couple of years now) and say I really don't like the R series for anything other then when the most glide/pump is crucial (which isn't often)
I absolutely hate a locked in feeling on any foil though and I find the very high aspect foils do that more often. I also prefer the extra initial low end lower aspect foils have and of course they turn better which is when I'm having my most fun which is the goal of my foiling.
In the end it will come down to your local conditions and your style of foiling.
So I'd use the:
R series for very specific downwind style situations where it's all about efficiency but I feel it's a compromise in other ways.
S series for pretty much everything else it's a great all rounder
X series my 810x should actually arrive today so can't speak from experience but I'm very excited to see how it performs in the surf and suspect it will be awesome for winging where you have a near constant power source and an efficient glide really isn't that important. I do expect I'll link a few less waves prone/sup but hoping the extra fun I have on each wave makes up for that. I also hope/suspect the low end of the X will be nice with a parawing.
I haven't read the rest of the replies.My take is, I have a 960R and 770R and have only winged them. They are fine, and very slippery. Also, the 960R is a great light wind foil for me at 82kg.However, I much prefer winging the S series. I've been riding the 1130S and 980S as the light wind foils. 850S for higher wind. Paired with the R tails, the S get enough glide to satisfy me. I cant over a lot, and for the, the S series' smaller wingspan is simply better for me.
Just posted this on the code group after a few good wing session on the 810x
810x Initial Thoughts:
Ok I've put 3 very solid winging sessions in on the 810x now and I think I'm willing to say it's my favourite code product that I've winged so far!
I haven't had a chance to prone or sup surf it yet so can't give feedback on that aspect of it yet.
My one line review would be "easy and predictable"
I was somewhat expecting it to be a bit more of a handful with less glide and an affinity to roll into turns before I wanted it to.
At least in my experience, there's heaps of glide and pump (again while winging but I did really drag out some gybes or flagged out waves and it had plenty!)
When I say easy and predictable I've never liked a locked in feeling on the very high aspect foils I want to be in control of when and where the foil turns and I can't always get that with them. Pitch and lift are also very predictable.
So far it's not the crazy side to side roll of the mid aspect that many may expect but it's more a case of when I decide I want to put in a few quick turns it just responds with much less lag and much less fuss. On my S series foils I'd almost need to prepare for the turn and make sure I had everything loaded up ready to go it seems less essential with the X.
Yesterday we got a sizeable southerly wind/swell blow in. Waves were easy overhead and not once did the foil feel like it wanted to buck me off, I could concentrate purely on placing my turns more so than keeping the foil in the water.
Finally, yes it does feel "slower" but I'm not racing anywhere so I actually prefer it. It sits in a really nice place on the wave and again I'm not having to worry about bleeding off speed in between turns. It's not a sketchy top speed limit either where the foil loses composure it simply feels like a "cruise control" where it hits that speed and just sits comfortably there. I've still had my watch giving me readings of 33-37km/h so it's not "slow"
Anyways so far so good, I've mostly paired it with the medium fuse and 150AR stab so far next step will be the small fuse and 142AR to see how that changes things up.
Hopefully some decent surf conditions to give it a work out on the sup (which is probably my strongest discipline and where I'll really be able to test pump, but I am feeling optimistic)
I had to test out a new wing for a mate so wasn't really concentrating on the 810x in this but it gives you an idea of how it wings on a flat day.
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