Hi guys. I've finally been able to get up & foil with my Cabrinha 6M Xwing2 on my JP 6ft 8" 26 wide foil board. With Neil Pryde XL standard foil. I'm 80kgs give or take 2 kilos. Loving it. But still a long way to go. Still need to turn / jibe whilst up on foil. Lose balance & fall off. Haa!
Anyway, this is my comparison of wing build convenience to my V1 Naish Wingsurfer. I cannot yet comment on materials. Both seem quality, durable & adequate.
I like the convenience of the Naish air valve better. Just one press of the valve drops the air quickly for deflation. Better than screwing & unscrewing valves.
Handles: Cabrinha are simple & effective if you can get a hold of the front handle when getting started. It can be annoying having to reach for it which made me unbalance & fall. I'm thinking of making up a removeable centre handle to make it convenient in the learning stage. The Naish was more convenient with its multiple handles.
Also the Cabrinha handles made it more difficult to pack up to put in its pack. But that's a minor issue and will be a lot easier with practise.
I also liked the Naish pack with its double shoulder strap & pump holding straps. Cabrinha has one shoulder strap. The pump holding straps are ok.
I rather like the feel of having a backpack.
Again all these camparisons are very minor.
On the water I found windows would be an advantage. When I was close to others I couldn't see them. But I chose a wing with no windows due to hearing that there are some complications with window material.
I found that there is a fine line between having enough windspeed to get up on foil or not. I'm guessing 15 knots was not enough but up to to 20 knots was much easier with the 6M Cabrinha. I cannot comment on the Naish V1 4M in this. 20 knots was so easy without pumping anything. Just pointed board up to load the foil & up I went.
What I also found out was that it was easier to get up on foil at the beginning when the wind pushed from a standing start as I could feel the resistance of the wing pulling hard against my arms. Maybe even in 15 knots. A bit like a chin up bar I could pull myself upwards as I loaded the foilboard upwards. But when travelling with the wind I found I had to pump more to get up on foil as there was less resistance from the wing. Unless I get a gust in the 15 knot wind.
So in my view the best to get up on foil is speed over the shortest distance possible & that's why doing both pumping board & wing at the right time equals the best success whilst travelling. Or pulling yourself up quick when wind resistance is felt.
Oh. And not to forget. The Cabrinha was so stable & behaved itself when hovering on its own. Even better when it was upside down with my handleash attached to the leading edge nose handle. It would hover about half a metre above the water surface when doing my walks or paddles of shame. Haa!
I swapped the Cabrinha hand leash for one better with a cord attachment, (pigtail), to make it longer.
But again. I'm just a beginner. So should improve in lighter winds with experience.
Good to hear you are enjoying yourself Seajuice.
With the benefit of a fair bit of winging since I got my 4 and 6 I have to say i really love these wings. There are a few little things I might be tempted to change but I can't fault the performance or feel of them. Maybe the V3 will be even better?
I've been chasing offshore wind sessions lately which are by nature very on/off due to shadowing and gusts and tend to dwindle in strength as the morning progress. I've been getting the 6m up in probably 10kts. I ride a Gofoil GL210 for light wind which is not a huge wing at all... Maybe 1350cm. Man I love that I can go out and fly in what look like pointless conditions. Even better that I don't have to drag a 3inch thick 2000cm wing around at walking pace.
Re the leash. The supplied leash is too short for a 6m I think but I bought 100m of para cord and made extensions and pigtails for everything so I can swap things things quickly if need be.
I also like the x2 stability, range and handles are so easy to find! I'm using it on snow with kids and it's so easy for them to reach for the long handles. i would like of they reduce slightly the diameter, with gloves it's harder on forearm so need a harness in snow. It's true that folding is a tetris game!! The wingspan is really short, so it Got a lot of low end, still stable in higher wind, but not a fast wing.
last thing is the leash. I prefer short lease like f-one if using a harness...the size (diameter) of the wrist leach is rather small...
very nice wing,easy, simple stable!
Select to expand quoteSeajuice said..
Hi guys. I've finally been able to get up & foil with my Cabrinha 6M Xwing2 on my JP 6ft 8" 26 wide foil board. With Neil Pryde XL standard foil. I'm 80kgs give or take 2 kilos. Loving it. But still a long way to go. Still need to turn / jibe whilst up on foil. Lose balance & fall off. Haa!
Anyway, this is my comparison of wing build convenience to my V1 Naish Wingsurfer. I cannot yet comment on materials. Both seem quality, durable & adequate.
I like the convenience of the Naish air valve better. Just one press of the valve drops the air quickly for deflation. Better than screwing & unscrewing valves.
Handles: Cabrinha are simple & effective if you can get a hold of the front handle when getting started. It can be annoying having to reach for it which made me unbalance & fall. I'm thinking of making up a removeable centre handle to make it convenient in the learning stage. The Naish was more convenient with its multiple handles.
Also the Cabrinha handles made it more difficult to pack up to put in its pack. But that's a minor issue and will be a lot easier with practise.
I also liked the Naish pack with its double shoulder strap & pump holding straps. Cabrinha has one shoulder strap. The pump holding straps are ok.
I rather like the feel of having a backpack.
Again all these camparisons are very minor.
On the water I found windows would be an advantage. When I was close to others I couldn't see them. But I chose a wing with no windows due to hearing that there are some complications with window material.
I found that there is a fine line between having enough windspeed to get up on foil or not. I'm guessing 15 knots was not enough but up to to 20 knots was much easier with the 6M Cabrinha. I cannot comment on the Naish V1 4M in this. 20 knots was so easy without pumping anything. Just pointed board up to load the foil & up I went.
What I also found out was that it was easier to get up on foil at the beginning when the wind pushed from a standing start as I could feel the resistance of the wing pulling hard against my arms. Maybe even in 15 knots. A bit like a chin up bar I could pull myself upwards as I loaded the foilboard upwards. But when travelling with the wind I found I had to pump more to get up on foil as there was less resistance from the wing. Unless I get a gust in the 15 knot wind.
So in my view the best to get up on foil is speed over the shortest distance possible & that's why doing both pumping board & wing at the right time equals the best success whilst travelling. Or pulling yourself up quick when wind resistance is felt.
Oh. And not to forget. The Cabrinha was so stable & behaved itself when hovering on its own. Even better when it was upside down with my handleash attached to the leading edge nose handle. It would hover about half a metre above the water surface when doing my walks or paddles of shame. Haa!
I swapped the Cabrinha hand leash for one better with a cord attachment, (pigtail), to make it longer.
But again. I'm just a beginner. So should improve in lighter winds with experience.
Correction: I meant the REAR handle in this paragraph. Not the front handle.
It should have read like this:-
Handles: Cabrinha are simple & effective if you can get a hold of the REAR handle when getting started. It can be annoying having to reach for it which made me unbalance & fall. I'm thinking of making up a removeable centre handle to make it convenient in the learning stage. The Naish was more convenient with its multiple handles.
Select to expand quoteSeajuice said..Seajuice said..
Hi guys. I've finally been able to get up & foil with my Cabrinha 6M Xwing2 on my JP 6ft 8" 26 wide foil board. With Neil Pryde XL standard foil. I'm 80kgs give or take 2 kilos. Loving it. But still a long way to go. Still need to turn / jibe whilst up on foil. Lose balance & fall off. Haa!
Anyway, this is my comparison of wing build convenience to my V1 Naish Wingsurfer. I cannot yet comment on materials. Both seem quality, durable & adequate.
I like the convenience of the Naish air valve better. Just one press of the valve drops the air quickly for deflation. Better than screwing & unscrewing valves.
Handles: Cabrinha are simple & effective if you can get a hold of the front handle when getting started. It can be annoying having to reach for it which made me unbalance & fall. I'm thinking of making up a removeable centre handle to make it convenient in the learning stage. The Naish was more convenient with its multiple handles.
Also the Cabrinha handles made it more difficult to pack up to put in its pack. But that's a minor issue and will be a lot easier with practise.
I also liked the Naish pack with its double shoulder strap & pump holding straps. Cabrinha has one shoulder strap. The pump holding straps are ok.
I rather like the feel of having a backpack.
Again all these camparisons are very minor.
On the water I found windows would be an advantage. When I was close to others I couldn't see them. But I chose a wing with no windows due to hearing that there are some complications with window material.
I found that there is a fine line between having enough windspeed to get up on foil or not. I'm guessing 15 knots was not enough but up to to 20 knots was much easier with the 6M Cabrinha. I cannot comment on the Naish V1 4M in this. 20 knots was so easy without pumping anything. Just pointed board up to load the foil & up I went.
What I also found out was that it was easier to get up on foil at the beginning when the wind pushed from a standing start as I could feel the resistance of the wing pulling hard against my arms. Maybe even in 15 knots. A bit like a chin up bar I could pull myself upwards as I loaded the foilboard upwards. But when travelling with the wind I found I had to pump more to get up on foil as there was less resistance from the wing. Unless I get a gust in the 15 knot wind.
So in my view the best to get up on foil is speed over the shortest distance possible & that's why doing both pumping board & wing at the right time equals the best success whilst travelling. Or pulling yourself up quick when wind resistance is felt.
Oh. And not to forget. The Cabrinha was so stable & behaved itself when hovering on its own. Even better when it was upside down with my handleash attached to the leading edge nose handle. It would hover about half a metre above the water surface when doing my walks or paddles of shame. Haa!
I swapped the Cabrinha hand leash for one better with a cord attachment, (pigtail), to make it longer.
But again. I'm just a beginner. So should improve in lighter winds with experience.
Correction: I meant the REAR handle in this paragraph. Not the front handle.
It should have read like this:-
Handles: Cabrinha are simple & effective if you can get a hold of the REAR handle when getting started. It can be annoying having to reach for it which made me unbalance & fall. I'm thinking of making up a removeable centre handle to make it convenient in the learning stage. The Naish was more convenient with its multiple handles.
I love the handles but like you I find them a bit far apart when starting. It's mainly when it's super windy and its a little worse on the 6m than the 4.
I did play with a centre handle made from some Al tubing and it worked well but it just made it harder to pack down so I shelved it. It all happened when I had to stretch the 6m to 25kt downwinders and I was getting cooked arms when knee starting.
Hi Cabrinha crosswing x2 owners,
Just thought I'd share a little alteration I did on my 5m wing, it easy to do, is cheap, made a huge difference to the forward and aft movement of the handles and shifted them closer to the strut which made the wing feel very solid and rigid when pumping, and it also packs up as normal.
In the video you can see here much movement there is in the handles, so to eliminate this I threaded some cord through plastic tube, then around either front or back handle, back through the plastic tube then tie it to the other handle, you can adjust the tension to your personal preference, mine is fairly tight and works well, it's like having a boom which fits into a small bag.
Sorry video didn't upload but owners of the crosswing know how much the handles move back and forth.
I demo'd a 6.0 recently and thought it was an outstanding wing across the board. Same minor complaints, In light winds wish they had at least a handle in between the two bars. It pumps really nicely.
Select to expand quoteShlogger said..
I demo'd a 6.0 recently and thought it was an outstanding wing across the board. Same minor complaints, In light winds wish they had at least a handle in between the two bars. It pumps really nicely.
It has a lot of grunt. My biggest foil is a GL210 and I'm getting going in very light wind at 85+kg.
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Hi Cabrinha crosswing x2 owners,
Just thought I'd share a little alteration I did on my 5m wing, it easy to do, is cheap, made a huge difference to the forward and aft movement of the handles and shifted them closer to the strut which made the wing feel very solid and rigid when pumping, and it also packs up as normal.
In the video you can see here much movement there is in the handles, so to eliminate this I threaded some cord through plastic tube, then around either front or back handle, back through the plastic tube then tie it to the other handle, you can adjust the tension to your personal preference, mine is fairly tight and works well, it's like having a boom which fits into a small bag.
Sorry video didn't upload but owners of the crosswing know how much the handles move back and forth.
I was thinking of doing the same with either conduit or irrigation pipe or foam tube. Yours looks great & neat. And yes it would stop the handle movements too as I explained to a mate of mine when on the water. Also helps when resting one tired arm when holding with the other as I have done with my Naish wing. Makes a difference.
Select to expand quoteSeajuice said..
Hi guys. I've finally been able to get up & foil with my Cabrinha 6M Xwing2 on my JP 6ft 8" 26 wide foil board. With Neil Pryde XL standard foil. I'm 80kgs give or take 2 kilos. Loving it. But still a long way to go. Still need to turn / jibe whilst up on foil. Lose balance & fall off. Haa!
Hey Seajuice,
What is your impression about the size of the 6m CrosswingX2? Does it feel too big? I mean, let's leave the wind strength out from the discussion now. Is it easy to keep the wing above the water? Have you experienced difficulties at the beginning keeping the wing-tip away from the water?
Select to expand quotejb74 said..Seajuice said..
Hi guys. I've finally been able to get up & foil with my Cabrinha 6M Xwing2 on my JP 6ft 8" 26 wide foil board. With Neil Pryde XL standard foil. I'm 80kgs give or take 2 kilos. Loving it. But still a long way to go. Still need to turn / jibe whilst up on foil. Lose balance & fall off. Haa!
Hey Seajuice,
What is your impression about the size of the 6m CrosswingX2? Does it feel too big? I mean, let's leave the wind strength out from the discussion now. Is it easy to keep the wing above the water? Have you experienced difficulties at the beginning keeping the wing-tip away from the water?
No I haven't had a problem with keeping the wing tip above the water. When I started with the 4M Naish v1 I did. But I found it was my inexperience in holding the wing.
When I first used the Cabrinha 6M I was surprised that it didn't feel any bigger when sailing on the water. It did feel a little bigger on land with my first feel of the wing.
My feeling on the water was that I think I could have even handled a 7M.
Now if you are thinking of holding a wing without much wind. Then it will get very fatiguing on your shoulders and not worth being out.
But as I'm sailing along without being up on foil I don't have any problem with the wing tip touching water. If it does I think it's due to not holding it properly or you have gone too far into the wind. You will slow down dramatically anyway.
I'm 5ft 10....175cm approx. In height.
Select to expand quoteSeajuice said..
No I haven't had a problem with keeping the wing tip above the water. When I started with the 4M Naish v1 I did. But I found it was my inexperience in holding the wing.
When I first used the Cabrinha 6M I was surprised that it didn't feel any bigger when sailing on the water. It did feel a little bigger on land with my first feel of the wing.
Great! Thanks. I'll need the 6m for my 90kg weight and for the local (low) wind conditions.
