Hi guys,
Since the release of the fireball range there have been very little 'real life' reviews or experiences out there about this foil.
Mostly tech talk and the explanation about the changed shape and camber. Would love to hear what some of you have experienced with these new foils, especially in relation to the ART v1, ART v2 and whether it's worth it paying a premium - they're much more expensive (1000e for fireball frontwings here in the EU).
For reference; I'm winging, have an ART 1099, and the spitfires 900 & 1100 - 95kg.
Jo!
Got the same weight like u. got Art Pro 1201, Art v1 999 and SF 900. Sold the last and bought the FB1070 but couldn't test it yet because of no wind for weeks 
but I can report ASAP.
When I first got my 1070 FB and took it out of the box first thoughts at 100 kgs plus was no way is this wing gonna work for me too small coming from long line of big axis foils 1050 HPS Spitfire 1100/1180 it just looked disproportionately out of sync for a heavy rider was thinking I'd have to sell it.I then took it with me to NE Brasil and have put quite a few hrs on it and it is pretty amazing the lift for a 880 area and such HA but it really is a great wing fast and turns pretty good for a super HA wing and the glide is next level been riding in fairly choppy conditions 2-4' swell and it handles really well surprised the crap out of me.Ive ridden with my 7m F1 down to around 13-15 kts to 5.5m in 25-28 kts so pretty impressed that said still using my SF 1180 on lighter and not selling my SF yet but definitely look forward to riding the FB don't have a gps but no doubt fastest wing I've used paired with bigger skinny tails and adv/short 700 fuse works good .Be curious what other heavier riders have to say about the FB too.I also would be nice to see a bigger FB for us heavier riders Dow the line for lighter stuff too
Select to expand quoteI posted this on Progression Project forum:
Fireball 1000 first feels.
I had a couple hours winging the Fireball. I am 180lbs, winging in lake swell. I ran it with an ultrashort advance + and a skinny 40 stab. I have been primarily on Art Pro's for a year. This wing gets flying way sooner than Art pro. The take off is very suttle and smooth. My board seems to taxi extra fast with the Fireball.
The handling of this foil is very intuitive and easy. It doesn't require as much input as AP to maneuver. Jibes/tacks felt a lot smoother and predictable.
It turns slightly faster than the 1051AP. It is looser on the yah and easy to skid into and out of turns. I really enjoyed flying it slow and doing radical turns/hacks on chop. The stall speed is much lower than AP. It also goes really fast when I wanted to. Doesn't feel locked in on roll axis at speed as the AP does. I could accelerate instantly to mach speed.
I feel that the FB is an all around better version of the AP.
The only thing I couldn't dial in was the pump. I tried quick taps and big hops but never really felt like I was getting a proper pump. I have read that the pump is a bit different. If anyone has beta on that, please share. It seemed to carry/glide farther than the 1051. Once I stared pumping, I would lose the glide though. I feel like that is me just trying to dial the pump in though.
Breaching was really good, better than AP.
I am stoked to get it on some bigger swells to really take advantage of the glide and connecting bumps.
So really, no downsides comparing to the AP. Just need to figure out the pump.
First day on lake with the FB1070, ultra advanced + and Skinny 35. I used an 6.5 dlab. 10 knots ground wind and max peak 18 gusts as the local station said. I am 95 kg normally would use an 1201.
Wow what a foil. Needs a bit more speed ofc but once up it flies forever. I can underline what they say about low-end and high-end. Feels like the 1201 in slower ride but u can go pretty fast like with a smaller foil. Setup is still very turny. I managed the quick tap pump and it worked great. I really thinkin about selling the big AP. I agree with my previous speaker.
Any updated progress on this foil? Curious to hear what second impressions are after some more testing - also considering the 1099 v2 is out and the larger fireballs of course.
I am 110kg and just bought the FB1070, but have not used it. I spent a solid 2.5 hours in ideal conditions on the ART v2 1099. Loved it. The v2 a big leap from v1. Interestingly, same max speed as My SF1100 which really surprised me. Skinny 50 tail. I will let you know. I love rocketing way upwind and riding bumps downwind, so I hope this is the ticket for me.
I use the FB1070 for downwind Foildrive and the spitfire range for winging. Tried the FB1070 for winging but didn't like it, great off the wind but pushing upwind it gets knocked around a lot by the chop. Yes you could learn to live with it but if I'm doing downwind I'd rather do it with Foildrive rather than a wing.
Had my first decent sesh winging on my 940 fireball using my dw155ltr board with 50skinny at 1.5degrees+ with my advanced + short ended up dropping half a degree wind was maxing at 15kts with my 6.8 mode pro I'm 120kg and this foil was user friendly max speed was high 25kts needed more breeze to go faster and it rode predictably with no surprises I didn't think I was going to be able to fly it in that wind but stayed on it all sesh water was flat and predictable
the crew I sailed with were surprised I was going all the time as everyone plodded at some time including myself definitely a very surprising result.
Select to expand quotestroppo said..
Had my first decent sesh winging on my 940 fireball using my dw155ltr board with 50skinny at 1.5degrees+ with my advanced + short ended up dropping half a degree wind was maxing at 15kts with my 6.8 mode pro I'm 120kg and this foil was user friendly max speed was high 25kts needed more breeze to go faster and it rode predictably with no surprises I didn't think I was going to be able to fly it in that wind but stayed on it all sesh water was flat and predictable
the crew I sailed with were surprised I was going all the time as everyone plodded at some time including myself definitely a very surprising result.
Curious on the +1.5? I use a 45 skinny at 0, or a 300p at -1* with a fb1000. It definately has the range that Adrian bangs on about. Noticeably more pitch stable than the artpros. Tips breach very well. It's still a 1000 span tho,with evrything that brings. I'm supping, winging and downwinding it. I need thigh high bumps at 75kg to be able to get a bit of flow with not too much pumping...
3 sessions on FB1070 advanced ultrashort fuse, skinny 50 tail. Really nice, goes upwind and turns well, fun downwind. Easy to jibe. I'm not jumping or in waves.
Select to expand quotemojoflex said..stroppo said..
Had my first decent sesh winging on my 940 fireball using my dw155ltr board with 50skinny at 1.5degrees+ with my advanced + short ended up dropping half a degree wind was maxing at 15kts with my 6.8 mode pro I'm 120kg and this foil was user friendly max speed was high 25kts needed more breeze to go faster and it rode predictably with no surprises I didn't think I was going to be able to fly it in that wind but stayed on it all sesh water was flat and predictable
the crew I sailed with were surprised I was going all the time as everyone plodded at some time including myself definitely a very surprising result.
Curious on the +1.5? I use a 45 skinny at 0, or a 300p at -1* with a fb1000. It definately has the range that Adrian bangs on about. Noticeably more pitch stable than the artpros. Tips breach very well. It's still a 1000 span tho,with evrything that brings. I'm supping, winging and downwinding it. I need thigh high bumps at 75kg to be able to get a bit of flow with not too much pumping...
With regards to the + shimming I just like plenty of front foot pressure as I'm winging the extra drag dosn't matter with the sail power and when I'm riding waves same as the extra lift from the wave you can just put the speed on anyway also 120kg has a bearing on it if you went and lifted up two Jerry cans of water you will understand the extra loads I'm dealing with and what I'm asking out of my setup Hope this makes sense with my setup Mojoflex
Great to get some feedback. I ended up going for the 999v2. Couldn't justify the huge price difference, I also think the v2's are more suited for freeriding very much like the Spitfires.
I also went the ART V2, but 939. Cost was certainly a factor, but I also wanted a daily driver that I'd use in all conditions. I'm assuming that at my skill level the FB would be more challenging than the v2 in rough water.
in relation to stroppo's post above, I was out sailing with him same day. the performance of the FB940 in relatively light wind, with the big fella onboard was indeed impressive. I tried to chase him on my ART v1 999, with 6m Nova, but he steadily pulled away. Best I could manage was a bit over 21kts. Having said that, Stroppo would probably also have beaten me on his Spitty 1180, so it's as much about the rider as the foil (dammit! )
Select to expand quotemojoflex said..stroppo said..
Had my first decent sesh winging on my 940 fireball using my dw155ltr board with 50skinny at 1.5degrees+ with my advanced + short ended up dropping half a degree wind was maxing at 15kts with my 6.8 mode pro I'm 120kg and this foil was user friendly max speed was high 25kts needed more breeze to go faster and it rode predictably with no surprises I didn't think I was going to be able to fly it in that wind but stayed on it all sesh water was flat and predictable
the crew I sailed with were surprised I was going all the time as everyone plodded at some time including myself definitely a very surprising result.
Curious on the +1.5? I use a 45 skinny at 0, or a 300p at -1* with a fb1000. It definately has the range that Adrian bangs on about. Noticeably more pitch stable than the artpros. Tips breach very well. It's still a 1000 span tho,with evrything that brings. I'm supping, winging and downwinding it. I need thigh high bumps at 75kg to be able to get a bit of flow with not too much pumping...
Hey mojoflex, just curious when you ride the 45 skinny vs the 300p with the FB1000. Cheers
Select to expand quotestroppo said..
Had my first decent sesh winging on my 940 fireball using my dw155ltr board with 50skinny at 1.5degrees+ with my advanced + short ended up dropping half a degree wind was maxing at 15kts with my 6.8 mode pro I'm 120kg and this foil was user friendly max speed was high 25kts needed more breeze to go faster and it rode predictably with no surprises I didn't think I was going to be able to fly it in that wind but stayed on it all sesh water was flat and predictable
the crew I sailed with were surprised I was going all the time as everyone plodded at some time including myself definitely a very surprising result.
some full stops and comas would be useful 
Select to expand quoteAUS220 said..stroppo said..
Had my first decent sesh winging on my 940 fireball using my dw155ltr board with 50skinny at 1.5degrees+ with my advanced + short ended up dropping half a degree wind was maxing at 15kts with my 6.8 mode pro I'm 120kg and this foil was user friendly max speed was high 25kts needed more breeze to go faster and it rode predictably with no surprises I didn't think I was going to be able to fly it in that wind but stayed on it all sesh water was flat and predictable
the crew I sailed with were surprised I was going all the time as everyone plodded at some time including myself definitely a very surprising result.
some full stops and comas would be useful
Haha I had a bad English teacher sorry if it bothers you I will try next time
Select to expand quoteStretchy said..
I also went the ART V2, but 939. Cost was certainly a factor, but I also wanted a daily driver that I'd use in all conditions. I'm assuming that at my skill level the FB would be more challenging than the v2 in rough water.
in relation to stroppo's post above, I was out sailing with him same day. the performance of the FB940 in relatively light wind, with the big fella onboard was indeed impressive. I tried to chase him on my ART v1 999, with 6m Nova, but he steadily pulled away. Best I could manage was a bit over 21kts. Having said that, Stroppo would probably also have beaten me on his Spitty 1180, so it's as much about the rider as the foil (dammit! )
I have used the 1099 V2 and 1070 FB in rough water, and both equally good. I think the only difference in the V2 and FB is glide downwind (edge FB), and surf (V2). Max speed is not that different. You should easily be faster than the 1180 except getting on foil in light conditions. I so far struggle to break 22mph on any front wing over 1000 span.
Select to expand quoteStretchy said..
I also went the ART V2, but 939. Cost was certainly a factor, but I also wanted a daily driver that I'd use in all conditions. I'm assuming that at my skill level the FB would be more challenging than the v2 in rough water.
in relation to stroppo's post above, I was out sailing with him same day. the performance of the FB940 in relatively light wind, with the big fella onboard was indeed impressive. I tried to chase him on my ART v1 999, with 6m Nova, but he steadily pulled away. Best I could manage was a bit over 21kts. Having said that, Stroppo would probably also have beaten me on his Spitty 1180, so it's as much about the rider as the foil (dammit! )
Same here. Had the luck to test the FB880 against the artV2 939 back to back on consecutive days. Changed only the front wing to see difference.
FB had bit more glide and very low stall speed to compensate for my lack of skills, some tacks I couldn't believe to still be on foil.
The artV2 felt it had a bit more bite going upwind against the tide. FB felt a bit slower there.
On fun factor they were equal, so went with the cheapest of the 2.
Select to expand quotestroppo said..mojoflex said..stroppo said..
Had my first decent sesh winging on my 940 fireball using my dw155ltr board with 50skinny at 1.5degrees+ with my advanced + short ended up dropping half a degree wind was maxing at 15kts with my 6.8 mode pro I'm 120kg and this foil was user friendly max speed was high 25kts needed more breeze to go faster and it rode predictably with no surprises I didn't think I was going to be able to fly it in that wind but stayed on it all sesh water was flat and predictable
the crew I sailed with were surprised I was going all the time as everyone plodded at some time including myself definitely a very surprising result.
Curious on the +1.5? I use a 45 skinny at 0, or a 300p at -1* with a fb1000. It definately has the range that Adrian bangs on about. Noticeably more pitch stable than the artpros. Tips breach very well. It's still a 1000 span tho,with evrything that brings. I'm supping, winging and downwinding it. I need thigh high bumps at 75kg to be able to get a bit of flow with not too much pumping...
With regards to the + shimming I just like plenty of front foot pressure as I'm winging the extra drag dosn't matter with the sail power and when I'm riding waves same as the extra lift from the wave you can just put the speed on anyway also 120kg has a bearing on it if you went and lifted up two Jerry cans of water you will understand the extra loads I'm dealing with and what I'm asking out of my setup Hope this makes sense with my setup Mojoflex
Yeah looks like heavier riders like the +ve tail shim.....I put a mast shim in the back of the plate, prob 1*, to retain the front foot feel, but get extra pump and glide. Like you said tho, doesn't matter so much on wing
Select to expand quoteFoilinaround said..mojoflex said..stroppo said..
Had my first decent sesh winging on my 940 fireball using my dw155ltr board with 50skinny at 1.5degrees+ with my advanced + short ended up dropping half a degree wind was maxing at 15kts with my 6.8 mode pro I'm 120kg and this foil was user friendly max speed was high 25kts needed more breeze to go faster and it rode predictably with no surprises I didn't think I was going to be able to fly it in that wind but stayed on it all sesh water was flat and predictable
the crew I sailed with were surprised I was going all the time as everyone plodded at some time including myself definitely a very surprising result.
Curious on the +1.5? I use a 45 skinny at 0, or a 300p at -1* with a fb1000. It definately has the range that Adrian bangs on about. Noticeably more pitch stable than the artpros. Tips breach very well. It's still a 1000 span tho,with evrything that brings. I'm supping, winging and downwinding it. I need thigh high bumps at 75kg to be able to get a bit of flow with not too much pumping...
Hey mojoflex, just curious when you ride the 45 skinny vs the 300p with the FB1000. Cheers
Used it a lot with artpros 951, just to dampen it's speed a bit in waves. Same with fireball, but the pitch stability is better with the 1000, so I use the 45 more now...
Comparing the FB940 vs. the AP951 ? Where would you see the pros and cons between the two?
At the moment, I have the 939v2 as my daily driver. But I want to get some more speed and glide on our lakes.
I don't have FB, but do have 1099v2 for light wind, 939 as daily driver and AP851 for drag racing. I love the 851 in a reasonable breeze and not too rough water state, it just rips everywhere and upwind speed is awesome. I've used the 951 also and that was probably between the 939 and 851 in ease of getting up, but the 851's really not that hard (I'm 95kg). Stall speed of 851 is of course higher, but I've never found it to be a problem in gybes. I have less than 1kt difference in peak speed (24kt) 939 vs 851, so I recon 940 vs 951 will be very similar.
I have owned or used almost every axis foil there have. I have no connection to axis and buy my gear for the full price.
I pesonally own,
art v1 1099,999,899
Art pro 1201, 1121, 1051
Fireball 1350, 1160, 1070, 1000, 880
Spitfire 1030, 960, 900
Skinny rear 55, 45, 40, 35, 30
Progressive 400 350 325
I have tested the art v2 999 with 45 skinny against the FB 1000 30 skinny. Both get up on foil with the same wind speed.
In comparison, the fb 1000 is much faster and turns way better even better than the 899. The 1051 needs a bit more wind 2kn than the fb 1000 and the 1051 has a higher stall speed and less turning. Speed 1051 is similar or a bit faster, don't really know.
Is it for you? Well I like the fire ball for my local conditions, low to ultra low wind 8 to 14kn (my location is super hot and i loose about 2 kn to most other places), with knee to waist height wind swell. I like fast, glidey foils that are ultar efficient in getting up on foil.
What I use them for,
The fb1350, 1160 are for mainly for dw with foil drive in marginal conditions. The fb 1070 both dw and wing, fb 1000, 880 mainly winging.
Occasionally we get good swell in summer, then spitfire with foil drive. I am still locking for a fast turny mid aspect foil from axis.
Cheers
Select to expand quotefoilfox said..
I have owned or used almost every axis foil there have. I have no connection to axis and buy my gear for the full price.
I pesonally own,
art v1 1099,999,899
Art pro 1201, 1121, 1051
Fireball 1350, 1160, 1070, 1000, 880
Spitfire 1030, 960, 900
Skinny rear 55, 45, 40, 35, 30
Progressive 400 350 325
I have tested the art v2 999 with 45 skinny against the FB 1000 30 skinny. Both get up on foil with the same wind speed.
In comparison, the fb 1000 is much faster and turns way better even better than the 899. The 1051 needs a bit more wind 2kn than the fb 1000 and the 1051 has a higher stall speed and less turning. Speed 1051 is similar or a bit faster, don't really know.
Is it for you? Well I like the fire ball for my local conditions, low to ultra low wind 8 to 14kn (my location is super hot and i loose about 2 kn to most other places), with knee to waist height wind swell. I like fast, glidey foils that are ultar efficient in getting up on foil.
What I use them for,
The fb1350, 1160 are for mainly for dw with foil drive in marginal conditions. The fb 1070 both dw and wing, fb 1000, 880 mainly winging.
Occasionally we get good swell in summer, then spitfire with foil drive. I am still locking for a fast turny mid aspect foil from axis.
Cheers
Hi, what is your weight? I am considering the fireball for wingfoiling. What size would you recommend for me? I am 95kg all up. Unit 5m and Unit 3,5m with Calama CP 7'4.
A bit hard to compare. I am 73kg, and I use them in lighter winds. But I had an 85kg guy demoing the fb 1070 in 16kn to 18kn with the 35 skinny and ulta short fuse 64cm. He was super stoked about it. I think the 1070 for you in stronger winds will be a good choice
As a reference, my personal low end at 73kg, armstrong 75l mid-length (we have a wind station at the spot)
8 to 9 kn , 1070 and skinny 35 , wing 5.7m
10 to 11kn, 1000 and skinny 30, wing 5.2
13kn , 880 skinny 30, wing 4.2
Below 8kn, I can wing, but I mainly do foil drive
Hope it helps
Got myself the Art Pro 901 now. Too bad that we don't have any wind these days.
really excited to see how it compares to the 939v2
