Hello,
I am a beginner who just learned to have first "controlled" flights on a wingfoil on rented gear. Now looking for a foil to buy. I am deciding between Axis BSC 1120 and 1060.
I am looking for an "easy" foil for lighter winds, mostly really marginal and gusty, flatish water (a lake). 8-12 knots is typical and of course gusting to 14+ on a good day. I am 82kg without gear, so probably 87-90kg with a full wetsuit/impact west/helmet.
I understand 1120 will lift more yet it will probably have significantly less glide and/or speed than 1060. Thus I am trying to decide if 1120 is worth it to step up for me. Is there any way to compare those? I.e. lets say 1120 will lift in only 1 knot lower winds yet will have 5 knots lower cruising speed? Or maybe the difference is a bit more linear? something along those lines?
The only comparison I found on the web was Gleiten tv (in german). If I understand auto translation correctly I hear "politically correct": "1120, with good technik for a rider of 80kg a start with 10-11knots is possible. 1060/970 is almost as easy to handle (to lift or to handle?) yet has so much more speed potential" I also noticed that most review 1060 and don't even show 1120 in the line up. So maybe everyone arrived at the conclusion that 1120 brings such marginal gains, not worth it to stock/review?
What is the general recommendation here? Maybe it's worth starting with 1060 (I read on this forum a tip about getting a 500 stab to improve lift/low end and use 440-400 for windier days) and later one would be needing something very different for those 1-2-4 knots lower winds anyway? OTH, 2knots improved low end will probably double the number of days on the water for me (if that is the case for 1120). And at this stage I care less about cruising/top speed. Time on the water, learning to jibe/tack are the priorities for me now.
Have been using the 1120 since I started 12 months ago.
98kg rider and this foil is a light wind session saver.
Need to do long wide gybes. I use a short fuselage with a 425p stab, would not want anything bigger as it would probably make turning harder.
Can kick this onto the foil with one or two pumps.
The trick with 8-12 knots is having a wing big enough to be able to capture enough wind to get you moving fast enough.
1120 ticks the boxes for learning and light wind.
Also have the 970 which while fun is not nearly as nice to ride as my Hps1050.
The Bsc's are an older foil, once you are up and riding look at something else for progression. Hps or maybe Spitfire.
Hi AndyJ,
I learned using the BSC 1060. I'm 70kg. I put the 500 rear wing on it and it got me going sub 12 knots when learning. Over time, that threshold has dropped (to around 9-10 knots) with technique being the thing that's made the difference. I've found the top end of the 1060 is around 20 knots. I've used a png 1300 and it's threshold for getting going in lower wind compared to the 1060 is maybe a half a knot to a knot? So the 1120 might be about the same? The 1120 will definitely be slower.
With the png 910, it has a low wind threshold of about 11-12 knots. However, it's high wind top end is up around 30 knots+. The point here is with all of these things, there's a trade off. Earlier lift will likely have a top end compromise, and I think the small amount that you gain down low, really limits the top end control. Gleiten tv are right.
Matching the front foil to a rear foil can also make a difference. Once you get your pump up technique down pat, putting a slipperier rear foil on can then make it a little easier to get flying because there's not quite so much drag. 440 or even a 425 progressive suggested above?
I don't think you'll go far wrong with either the 1060 or 1120. I suspect once your technique improves you will likely move to a different higher performance foil in time. And just to complicate things a bit more, I found that I moved from a Naish 125L (flat and wide board) to a Konrad 118L (much more compact shape but similar vol) and the smaller footprint and rounded hull shape of the Konrad made a big difference to my ability to get up and going in light stuff. So board shape can play a part in it all too. Sorry. I don't mean to have you now thinking about a new board but all of these things stack up.
Great that you're on the journey. You'll love it.
I'm 100kg and can get up in 10 knots on the Axis 1300 PNGwith a 460 V2 stab. It's also a fun setup where the 1300 provides tons of glide, especially in a 15 knot wind swell. The 460 stab allows me to pump the board through lulls and gives me extra lift to get up on foil.
I finally got Axis BSC 1120 with 500 stabilizer. I contacted a local dealer with my question and he very enthusiastically recommended 1120 for our conditions.
Wow, it is amazing! Got me flying in very little wind. And the whole setup is very stable=forgiving. Also interesting that a couple of times it lifted to the surface and I was thinking ok, game over, yet it was somehow able to reconnect and calmly continue after I dropped little lower or at least I was able to touch down instead of crashing. I.e. with all that lift I am not crashing nose straight down after breaching but with lower angle giving me better chances. I am comparing to Gong Rise XL where I was needing SIGNIFICANGLY more wind (=speed) to lift and it was noticeably less stable in flight and once on the surface, I never was able to recover just straight dive down crash. (To be fair I also changed the board from Gong Lance 120 to Tabou pocket air 107 maybe that plays a role in how sticky it is. Yet exactly the same sail and definitely much less wind)
Very happy with 1120
How good this setup in turning and how fast it goes? I would learn that part once I get better :)
