Hey ,not sure there's going to be a big difference between the 2 rear stabs (420 and 460 ) but i am running the 101 and 90 cm front wings for wingdinging ,on standard fuse with 82cm mast and a 440 rear stab. I would like to get a bit quicker and help my turns so looking to purchase a new rear stab. I understand there's heaps of variables to this answer . However if any one can share their thoughts thats used them both I would be very grateful.
The 420 is still very new I don't think many people have tried. I've seen it and it's quite big for a tail I feel but fairly thin.
People have been cutting down the 460 for more looseness but you wouldn't do that to the 420 with it's upturned wing tips.
One guy has tried it and talks about it on standupzone forum www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,35177.0.html no doubt he will comment here soon.
Demo them if you can, it's the best way to find out.
Was lucky enough to score a 420, feels very different from 460. It's very very thin and has a bit of flex so maybe not one for the heavy guys, I love it @70kgs but two sessions in I'm still working it out so its no beginners stab. Quite a few very experienced bigger guys here on the 460 and swear by it, couple of times I've used one it felt really stable and super efficient. Really good to pump.
420 is really loose and the tips and flex are great in turns. Flex kinda whips you around and tips track better than the flat 460 but some may prefer that skatey feel of a flat stab. Every session it gets better so it's a winner for me but most will find it a bit twitchy to start and it takes a bit more rider input initially.
420 is very low drag so it is fast and glides well. There is much less front foot pressure when you accelerate. Takes some getting used to but not difficult at all.
I have recently acquired a 460 tail. Paired with the 900 or 910 wings it feels like i have found extra gears, the speed and flow is off the charts compared to the 370 and 440 stabs i have been using
Thanks for the imput everbody , it sounds like either stab would be an improvement. Once we are allowed on the water (lockdown in wa ) i will chase one or the other down . I had a helpful chat with a experienced foiler yesterday, he pointed out that quicker foils also reduce some of the stresses on the shoulders. This is good news also. Cheers again jeff
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he pointed out that quicker foils also reduce some of the stresses on the shoulders. This is good news also. Cheers again jeff
That's interesting I never thought about this. You still have to hold the wing and control power with the back arm 
Has anyone sanded the tips back on the 420 just for safety (could you feel any difference)? Just unboxed it and well... it's a fair bit sharper than the 390 I'm used to.
Hey Thatspec, a mate sanded back the sharps on his Conrad rear foil after he put it through his wing on its maiden voyage, super annoyed at himself ! I think you would be going well to ride one sanded and pick the difference. Make it safe mate. Can you let me know what you make of the new stab .
In addition (unrelated just high on the stoke ) ive just had a fantastic session in the canning river south of canning bridge at the manning boat ramp. It collected a heap of wind from the tonking south wester and i was buzzing around like a mad thing. Cheeks are hurting from the constant smiling.
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Has anyone sanded the tips back on the 420 just for safety (could you feel any difference)? Just unboxed it and well... it's a fair bit sharper than the 390 I'm used to.
Yep first thing I did when I got the 420 noticed it was pretty darn sharp dangerous,so I dulled it a bit with 600 wet/dry not quite as sharp now but definitely don't want to kick it underwater I primarily use it winging as the minimal drag gets the 420 on a good clip.prefer it over the 460 a bit to twitchy and slidey especially for a heavyweight rider like myself.I use a 440 supfoiling it's a good rear stabilizer too.I never even rode the 420 in stock form sanded/dulled before even trying it but after my safety tuneup if you looked at you probably would not even notice it on a visual,just too sharp from factory for my liking
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Has anyone sanded the tips back on the 420 just for safety (could you feel any difference)? Just unboxed it and well... it's a fair bit sharper than the 390 I'm used to.
I sanded mine just a tiny amount. It still works the same.
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Has anyone sanded the tips back on the 420 just for safety (could you feel any difference)? Just unboxed it and well... it's a fair bit sharper than the 390 I'm used to.
I sanded mine just a tiny amount. It still works the same.
Same here, just dulled the edge when 400 then 800 grit wet and dry
Hi the 420 stab arrived yesterday , I was able to have a 40 min session on the swan river prior to night shift . Remembering I've been on a 440 rear . The wind was gusty 10 to 18knots at a guess, so I coupled the 420 with the 101 front and a 5m Takuma v3 wing ride. Its fast real fast by comparrison and a bit twitchy , however over the 40 mins sesh i settle down, relaxed and found its super fun . The 420 seemed far more efficient to pump in the lulls ,( this was unexpected ) . Turns through transitions evenly and smooth. Unwind maybe better also due to the added speed allowing for an agressive Angeles. I was thinking I could ride the 101/420 and the 900 /440 combo to produce a cosistant feel , the 900 /420 would be real quick , I will see if I am up to it in the near future . I did the cursory wet and dry sand of the winglet tips , so sharp ! Thanks for all your imput , senseable stuff, that helped me with my choice . I feel it was money well spent , that increases the fun and enjoyment factor. Cheers Jeff .
Also received the 420 which I am enjoying. I've never used the 460 but have used some custom flat tails.
What really surprised me with the 420 is that I didn't feel any skidding on the short black fuse, coupled with the HPS880 so that's a big win
If you go black series and wing, go for the short otherwise it's quite twitchy. Someone mentioned that the upturned tips helps to go upwind too but I haven't looked at my angles closely yet to verify this.
With a kite I go back to the 390 stab however for better turning.
