Hi all
Just wondering if any of the bigger intermediate guys (95kgs+) kept the lifty big foils they learnt on after they upgraded to High Aspect foils?
Do the high lift/ low wind foils still have a place in your inventory for use in marginal light wind days or do the High Aspect foils give a similar bottom end due to their higher speed and pumpability?
Thanks
Think for yourself.
LA allows much smaller sails, and turns much better. Good in waves and for tricks.
HA benefits from bigger rapier sails, feels low drag, high glide, great in flatter water.
Who really cares what others do, blaze your own path.
. I have both.
Actually Lee it's called asking leading questions to stimulate a discussion and flow of ideas, it's what forums are all about. Most of your replies are about shutting down a discussion with smart arse comments. It's a new and evolving sport and people obtain information in different ways.
Jethrow, i traded my first "learning foil" setup in to purchase my new kit. So didn't really get to keep the old, however I went with Axis gear, starting with HA so I could add to the options as I progress and also to have the flexibility between sup foil, wing foil and maybe prone one day.
Oh to have a bigger toy budget.....
+1 for your tactful response above. 
I've kept my big wing for light days but it's too slow now I'm upgrading to another big wing with a lower profile. I can get up in barely any wind. I can't give that up, too fun.
I grabbed a 1300 but kept my 1020 just in case.
I have only used the 1020 once since I grabbed the 1300. Still has great low end, but it simply feels slow in comparison.
The 1020 was still great to learn on. But for me, HA is the way forward.
I kept my very big LA foil for light days but after getting used to HA foils when I did use it it felt very dragy.. slow.. and felt like it needed more constant wind once up on the foil than my HA foils even though the LA pops up slightly earlier.. The HA foils keep accelerating to a much higher speed and this lets you go through lulls without slowing much better than the LA foil..
So I sold it and bought a new very large HA foil from Naish (the new HA2140).. Tomorrow I get to try it for the first time.. and I can't wait.. 
Like having 3 wings for different windspeed, but also for different uses.
And different masts, for long distance, for wave riding..
And different boards.
ONE size does not fit all ......
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Hi all
Just wondering if any of the bigger intermediate guys (95kgs+) kept the lifty big foils they learnt on after they upgraded to High Aspect foils?
Do the high lift/ low wind foils still have a place in your inventory for use in marginal light wind days or do the High Aspect foils give a similar bottom end due to their higher speed and pumpability?
Thanks
I think the first low aspect wings that came out for winging had quite a thick profiles compared to the high aspect wings (that did not start appearing commonly until a year later). So at the moment the rage is low aspect, but it will be interesting to see if the armstrong, axis, naish folks now go back and look at making low aspect wings with super thin profiles and different trailing edges to make them faster whilst maintaining great carving.
My observation is most wingers do not carve or turn that hard and do much better with high aspect wings.
I kept a couple of my LA wings in the shed, unused for about a year while I rode HA foils. When I finally went back to my old faithful (1600ish) it felt ridiculously slow and draggy to the point I couldn't understand how I ever rode it.
Big surprise for me was how good my smallest LA foil winged. The Kai is fairly fast, forgiving and turns really well. I really never used it to prone, it was just too small to pump though it went well on the wave if there was some shape.
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I kept my very big LA foil for light days but after getting used to HA foils when I did use it it felt very dragy.. slow.. and felt like it needed more constant wind once up on the foil than my HA foils even though the LA pops up slightly earlier.. The HA foils keep accelerating to a much higher speed and this lets you go through lulls without slowing much better than the LA foil..
So I sold it and bought a new very large HA foil from Naish (the new HA2140).. Tomorrow I get to try it for the first time.. and I can't wait..
Hi Dj,
Would love to hear what you think of the 2140,
cheers
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I kept a couple of my LA wings in the shed, unused for about a year while I rode HA foils. When I finally went back to my old faithful (1600ish) it felt ridiculously slow and draggy to the point I couldn't understand how I ever rode it.
Big surprise for me was how good my smallest LA foil winged. The Kai is fairly fast, forgiving and turns really well. I really never used it to prone, it was just too small to pump though it went well on the wave if there was some shape.
Agree with this. The smaller LA foils work well on waves. So, in answer to the question there is little reason to hang on to a big LA foil unless you want to get mates into the sport and take them out behind a boat to learn the basics.
I think most of the foils called HA here are actually mid-aspect. I think for most people a MA foil is the best choice, 10:1 ratio foils are good for blasting around on flat water and tiny waves but not so flash on decent bumps. Sounds like quiver time
I've kept my Naish 2000 as my light wind weapon, I love my 1800 and 1240 HA's but when I just want to pop up without effort or teach someone, the 2000 is my go too. I've also ordered the 2140 HA which is supposed to be a week out. I'll probably keep the 2000 just for teaching friends. Interesting though, the 2000 has a thinner profile, halfway between say the 1800 and a Delta shaped smaller Jet foils and much thinner than many other comparable brands. I'd like to see the smaller Jets keep their surfy shapes but perhaps thin out the profiles for more high end. When I jump on the Delta shapes it's like the difference between shortboard surfing and longboard surfing for turning. I know, I know, you can't have an F-16 and a Glider in one. ;)
Absolutely @225lbs the new Axis 1120 and 1060 are the big guys cats meow especially if your riding waves hands down great big guy wings with a 420 rear.The BSC 1120 1060 wings rock IMO,the 1020 are great learning wings but these 2 newer wings are outstanding all around wing from beginners to advanced especially in waves,really stoked Axis makes big guy wings not everyone's 170lb
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Agree with this. The smaller LA foils work well on waves. So, in answer to the question there is little reason to hang on to a big LA foil unless you want to get mates into the sport and take them out behind a boat to learn the basics.
I think most of the foils called HA here are actually mid-aspect. I think for most people a MA foil is the best choice, 10:1 ratio foils are good for blasting around on flat water and tiny waves but not so flash on decent bumps. Sounds like quiver time
Great feedback as always hilly 
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In regards riding swell or waves, what is the go to aspect foil?
Hey Jethrow,
Happy to be part of the discussion, even if other Leeding w4nkers don't want to be.
I'm a pipsqueak. 70 kg so my opinion may be of less relevance.
I've kept my older low aspect wings to get others to learn on. If you were keen on recuperating some cash, then maybe it might be better to sell them? But for me they're good for someone else to have a go at, and if it gets dinged up I won't be so concerned.
I've got an Axis 1060 which is much higher aspect than my previous LA Naish. It kills the Naish in almost every area - low speed threshold, stability, control, top speed. I won't use the LA naish again.
Select to expand quotemarco said..In regards riding swell or waves, what is the go to aspect foil?
A lot of variables like skill, size of wave/swell and how you want to ride.
General rule of thumb is steeper the wave a smaller lower aspect is best. So for cruising downwind on tiny wind swells a higher aspect foil works best. Then personal taste, weight, etc comes in. For me a mid aspect like the Army 1250 ticks a lot of boxes and is a great compromise. Especially when you tinker around with tails and shims. As I said before you need a quiver. A change is as good as a holiday
Interesting topic.
I learned on a Moses 873 LA wing, and still can't blame the wing for much than running against a speed wall when being pushed by a powered wing.
I have a Slingshot Phantasm 926 on order with the 926 being about equal to the Moses 950 HA wing.
For light wind i'm considering buying the LA 928 wing, which is claimed to be a upgraded SS Infinity 99 wing, which has an 4.1 AR (i'll sell the Moses).
After reading all the comments i wonder if it is a good idea to order the 928 (aka upgraded Infinity 99) or if i should look for a more HA big wing for light wind?
Any recommendations for the upcoming Phantasm Wing range? (e. g. something like Moses 1100 or 1250?)
seems like some leaner-sectioned mid AR ~5-7 might be a good blend of performance and ease of use? I find foils to be kind of like surfboards. You can go to a break and see people riding and ripping on anything, just w/ a different style.
