Select to expand quoteNoffi said..
Does anybody hear any rumor about new takuma gear coming in this spring?
Yes
The latest item I saw released is the HD alu 80 mast and fuse. I guess the HD is stronger.. the fuse had a screw system that expands the fuse insert into the wing connection.
The current 2022/23 Alloy HD 80cm mast & the new Carbon 75/85 mast come with the expanding fuse system mentioned above & is compatible with all Current & past Takuma Front Wings & stabs. IMO this is a pretty Solid system now - though you may still need some shimming for the loosest of front wings... Not released yet, but rumored coming May/June is a new Kujira II Wing line which has a new /different Wing connection system, but uses the HD/New Carbon mast/fuse connection. So, if you have the new HD Alloy or Carbon mast, you will need both fuses to use every Takuma Wing past & future.
Oh my...
Thank you for the secret infos!
wow we need to buy whole new system again.
and Even need different size of fuse for front wing size.....
Guess thats the end of my kujria days. Making the current system completely incompatable with the new wings is pretty lameo.
Select to expand quotemartyman said..
Guess thats the end of my kujria days. Making the current system completely incompatable with the new wings is pretty lameo.
Had to happen.
Love my Kujiras but the front wing to fuse connection is an awful design.
I make mine tight with additional top screw and epoxy fitting but changing front wing is not fun or quick at all.
Wish they had gone to a flat pedestal for the stab, that curved crap is obvious proprietary BS so you cannot use other brands stabs easily.
Wish the foil industry took a bit of a lesson from skateboarding, choose deck,wheels,trucks & bearings from any brand and go ride.
BTW i am riding the 85 new carbon mast and fuse ,with a Kuj 980 that i used to ride with the carbon 75cm T-bar.
At first i hated it, so much draggier, completely different mast position (way forward) and mastplate shim.
What's with this dudes and angles?
My board has flat bottom and deck and yet the new mast requires mast plate shimming or the nose rides way down (opposite of the TBar).I tried 0.5* and today i will try 1*(thick part fwd).
The big plus: this thing is a control beast ,you can really,really go fast and carve hard.I am not going back to a flexy mast for winging, ever.
For surfing small stuff the Tbar is great.
So the new gear looks good to me but i would get ready to deal with Takuma quirkiness and setup complications.
Thanks for sharing wingedsurfer.. omg I am sold on the looks of these! Also found this BigWinds video: www.instagram.com/reel/CpOLi7mteA4/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Unfortunately the wings look sick. The fuse>wing connection appears to be improved (the shaping is more defined which should make it more solid, and the m8 connection is long overdue), but I can't figure out why any foil designer would have any connection ahead of the mast. FOne, Cabrinha, and Unifoil all connect the mast directly to the front wing in some form or fashion thereby eliminating a joint in an area that takes a lot of force.
That stabilizer connection is total BS. 5 minutes until someone comes out with a better fuse that has a flat connection leaving a whole bunch of useless Takuma fuses sitting around (again).
Why can't these guys seem to give the market what it wants? The wings are A+ but the easy stuff like connections, angles, etc... are just nonsensical. I was a fan, but I lost patience.
New Kujira Helium with new HD mast and HD fuse. 1200 Helium is a new size (?)
takuma.com/accueil/301-kujira-helium-full-set.html
Clearly this range is not the same as above presented (which as mentioned is the Kujira II)
Select to expand quoteVelocicraptor said..
Unfortunately the wings look sick. The fuse>wing connection appears to be improved (the shaping is more defined which should make it more solid, and the m8 connection is long overdue), but I can't figure out why any foil designer would have any connection ahead of the mast. FOne, Cabrinha, and Unifoil all connect the mast directly to the front wing in some form or fashion thereby eliminating a joint in an area that takes a lot of force.
That stabilizer connection is total BS. 5 minutes until someone comes out with a better fuse that has a flat connection leaving a whole bunch of useless Takuma fuses sitting around (again).
Why can't these guys seem to give the market what it wants? The wings are A+ but the easy stuff like connections, angles, etc... are just nonsensical. I was a fan, but I lost patience.
why is the stab connection BS? I see your other points.
But not this one.. ok maybe its not backward compatible anymore.. but one screw less.. sounds like an improvement?
Select to expand quoteMProject04 said..Velocicraptor said..
Unfortunately the wings look sick. The fuse>wing connection appears to be improved (the shaping is more defined which should make it more solid, and the m8 connection is long overdue), but I can't figure out why any foil designer would have any connection ahead of the mast. FOne, Cabrinha, and Unifoil all connect the mast directly to the front wing in some form or fashion thereby eliminating a joint in an area that takes a lot of force.
That stabilizer connection is total BS. 5 minutes until someone comes out with a better fuse that has a flat connection leaving a whole bunch of useless Takuma fuses sitting around (again).
Why can't these guys seem to give the market what it wants? The wings are A+ but the easy stuff like connections, angles, etc... are just nonsensical. I was a fan, but I lost patience.
why is the stab connection BS? I see your other points.
But not this one.. ok maybe its not backward compatible anymore.. but one screw less.. sounds like an improvement?
Because its a proprietary connection and you need to use Takuma stabilizers.
Select to expand quoteVelocicraptor said..MProject04 said..Velocicraptor said..
Unfortunately the wings look sick. The fuse>wing connection appears to be improved (the shaping is more defined which should make it more solid, and the m8 connection is long overdue), but I can't figure out why any foil designer would have any connection ahead of the mast. FOne, Cabrinha, and Unifoil all connect the mast directly to the front wing in some form or fashion thereby eliminating a joint in an area that takes a lot of force.
That stabilizer connection is total BS. 5 minutes until someone comes out with a better fuse that has a flat connection leaving a whole bunch of useless Takuma fuses sitting around (again).
Why can't these guys seem to give the market what it wants? The wings are A+ but the easy stuff like connections, angles, etc... are just nonsensical. I was a fan, but I lost patience.
why is the stab connection BS? I see your other points.
But not this one.. ok maybe its not backward compatible anymore.. but one screw less.. sounds like an improvement?
Because its a proprietary connection and you need to use Takuma stabilizers.
Good thing they have great Stabs... even some Uni guys are riding the KJ 178/158 stabs & the new range looks pretty extensive... I'm all in, but I'll be keeping an HD fuse to use with Kujira 1 wings & stabs.
Select to expand quoteVelocicraptor said..MProject04 said..Velocicraptor said..
Unfortunately the wings look sick. The fuse>wing connection appears to be improved (the shaping is more defined which should make it more solid, and the m8 connection is long overdue), but I can't figure out why any foil designer would have any connection ahead of the mast. FOne, Cabrinha, and Unifoil all connect the mast directly to the front wing in some form or fashion thereby eliminating a joint in an area that takes a lot of force.
That stabilizer connection is total BS. 5 minutes until someone comes out with a better fuse that has a flat connection leaving a whole bunch of useless Takuma fuses sitting around (again).
Why can't these guys seem to give the market what it wants? The wings are A+ but the easy stuff like connections, angles, etc... are just nonsensical. I was a fan, but I lost patience.
why is the stab connection BS? I see your other points.
But not this one.. ok maybe its not backward compatible anymore.. but one screw less.. sounds like an improvement?
Because its a proprietary connection and you need to use Takuma stabilizers.
I see.. yes seems they are trying to eliminate add ons from the likes of foilparts etc
Don't know why people are complaining about availability of current gen stuff. Used market is about to be FLOODED! Yes, upgrade to the new hotness, send me your old wings!
Select to expand quoteTooMuchEpoxy said..
Don't know why people are complaining about availability of current gen stuff. Used market is about to be FLOODED! Yes, upgrade to the new hotness, send me your old wings!
Yeah, even the new stuff is getting sold quick.
I got the Takuma carbon 85 mast second hand,mint condition.
I guess we will be flooded with "old" Kujira wings...might get a 1095 and 1440 for the collection :)
Overall the market is going to be very different this summer...excess offer.
Select to expand quotemcrt said..TooMuchEpoxy said..
Don't know why people are complaining about availability of current gen stuff. Used market is about to be FLOODED! Yes, upgrade to the new hotness, send me your old wings!
Yeah, even the new stuff is getting sold quick.
I got the Takuma carbon 85 mast second hand,mint condition.
I guess we will be flooded with "old" Kujira wings...might get a 1095 and 1440 for the collection :)
Overall the market is going to be very different this summer...excess offer.
Nice! ... that new mast will be compatible with Kujira II as well...
Select to expand quotewingedsurfer said..
Is there something new other than Kujira2 in this Takuma presentation?
Do you guys think it needs different fuselage for 650-1100 and 1200-1400?It says 2 and 3 of M8 screws needed for different size but can't we just use same fuse?
Select to expand quoteNoffi said..
Do you guys think it needs different fuselage for 650-1100 and 1200-1400?It says 2 and 3 of M8 screws needed for different size but can't we just use same fuse?
Hello Noffi, No, it is one new fuse. It seems the smaller Wings only use 2 holes whereas the larger are using 3... haven't seen it in person yet but that is my understanding...
Select to expand quoteVelocicraptor said..
Unfortunately the wings look sick. The fuse>wing connection appears to be improved (the shaping is more defined which should make it more solid, and the m8 connection is long overdue), but I can't figure out why any foil designer would have any connection ahead of the mast. FOne, Cabrinha, and Unifoil all connect the mast directly to the front wing in some form or fashion thereby eliminating a joint in an area that takes a lot of force.
That stabilizer connection is total BS. 5 minutes until someone comes out with a better fuse that has a flat connection leaving a whole bunch of useless Takuma fuses sitting around (again).
Why can't these guys seem to give the market what it wants? The wings are A+ but the easy stuff like connections, angles, etc... are just nonsensical. I was a fan, but I lost patience.
Agreed!
Select to expand quotemartyman said..Velocicraptor said..
Unfortunately the wings look sick. The fuse>wing connection appears to be improved (the shaping is more defined which should make it more solid, and the m8 connection is long overdue), but I can't figure out why any foil designer would have any connection ahead of the mast. FOne, Cabrinha, and Unifoil all connect the mast directly to the front wing in some form or fashion thereby eliminating a joint in an area that takes a lot of force.
That stabilizer connection is total BS. 5 minutes until someone comes out with a better fuse that has a flat connection leaving a whole bunch of useless Takuma fuses sitting around (again).
Why can't these guys seem to give the market what it wants? The wings are A+ but the easy stuff like connections, angles, etc... are just nonsensical. I was a fan, but I lost patience.
Agreed!
I disagree. I would like to see a standardized mast/fuse connection, fuse/wing connection, & stab fuse connection. This way different fuselage/masts/wings/stabs could be offered by the brand or 3rd parties & could be mixed & matched. There is no reason a strong Wing/fuse connection can't be engineered. In fact the current Takuma one is plenty strong, just prone to fit issues due to difficulty keeping tolerances on both parts. Time will tell if the new system solves this issue.
Select to expand quotegorgesailor said..martyman said..Velocicraptor said..
Unfortunately the wings look sick. The fuse>wing connection appears to be improved (the shaping is more defined which should make it more solid, and the m8 connection is long overdue), but I can't figure out why any foil designer would have any connection ahead of the mast. FOne, Cabrinha, and Unifoil all connect the mast directly to the front wing in some form or fashion thereby eliminating a joint in an area that takes a lot of force.
That stabilizer connection is total BS. 5 minutes until someone comes out with a better fuse that has a flat connection leaving a whole bunch of useless Takuma fuses sitting around (again).
Why can't these guys seem to give the market what it wants? The wings are A+ but the easy stuff like connections, angles, etc... are just nonsensical. I was a fan, but I lost patience.
Agreed!
I disagree. I would like to see a standardized mast/fuse connection, fuse/wing connection, & stab fuse connection. This way different fuselage/masts/wings/stabs could be offered by the brand or 3rd parties & could be mixed & matched. There is no reason a strong Wing/fuse connection can't be engineered. In fact the current Takuma one is plenty strong, just prone to fit issues due to difficulty keeping tolerances on both parts. Time will tell if the new system solves this issue.
I don't think we actually disagree! You are commenting on something different (intercompatibility) and I think that would be a great idea! A standardized fuse to mast connection doesn't preclude the concept of a "stub fuse" like Unifoil, Cabrinha and FOne have. I wish all brands would design around a simple, standard m8 connection (I prefer a simple butt joint with zero tolerance issues) and would use the stub fuse concept. Other than packability, there is zero reason for a joint in front of the mast connection - its more stiff and solid, and moves the fuse connection to an area that takes less stress (behind the mast).
Select to expand quoteVelocicraptor said..gorgesailor said..martyman said..Velocicraptor said..
Unfortunately the wings look sick. The fuse>wing connection appears to be improved (the shaping is more defined which should make it more solid, and the m8 connection is long overdue), but I can't figure out why any foil designer would have any connection ahead of the mast. FOne, Cabrinha, and Unifoil all connect the mast directly to the front wing in some form or fashion thereby eliminating a joint in an area that takes a lot of force.
That stabilizer connection is total BS. 5 minutes until someone comes out with a better fuse that has a flat connection leaving a whole bunch of useless Takuma fuses sitting around (again).
Why can't these guys seem to give the market what it wants? The wings are A+ but the easy stuff like connections, angles, etc... are just nonsensical. I was a fan, but I lost patience.
Agreed!
I disagree. I would like to see a standardized mast/fuse connection, fuse/wing connection, & stab fuse connection. This way different fuselage/masts/wings/stabs could be offered by the brand or 3rd parties & could be mixed & matched. There is no reason a strong Wing/fuse connection can't be engineered. In fact the current Takuma one is plenty strong, just prone to fit issues due to difficulty keeping tolerances on both parts. Time will tell if the new system solves this issue.
I don't think we actually disagree! You are commenting on something different (intercompatibility) and I think that would be a great idea! A standardized fuse to mast connection doesn't preclude the concept of a "stub fuse" like Unifoil, Cabrinha and FOne have. I wish all brands would design around a simple, standard m8 connection (I prefer a simple butt joint with zero tolerance issues) and would use the stub fuse concept. Other than packability, there is zero reason for a joint in front of the mast connection - its more stiff and solid, and moves the fuse connection to an area that takes less stress (behind the mast).
I just like the idea of being able to vary the fuse length in front of - not just behind the mast. If the fuse is part of the wing, then mast to Wing CL distance is fixed...
Select to expand quotegorgesailor said..Velocicraptor said..gorgesailor said..martyman said..Velocicraptor said..
Unfortunately the wings look sick. The fuse>wing connection appears to be improved (the shaping is more defined which should make it more solid, and the m8 connection is long overdue), but I can't figure out why any foil designer would have any connection ahead of the mast. FOne, Cabrinha, and Unifoil all connect the mast directly to the front wing in some form or fashion thereby eliminating a joint in an area that takes a lot of force.
That stabilizer connection is total BS. 5 minutes until someone comes out with a better fuse that has a flat connection leaving a whole bunch of useless Takuma fuses sitting around (again).
Why can't these guys seem to give the market what it wants? The wings are A+ but the easy stuff like connections, angles, etc... are just nonsensical. I was a fan, but I lost patience.
Agreed!
I disagree. I would like to see a standardized mast/fuse connection, fuse/wing connection, & stab fuse connection. This way different fuselage/masts/wings/stabs could be offered by the brand or 3rd parties & could be mixed & matched. There is no reason a strong Wing/fuse connection can't be engineered. In fact the current Takuma one is plenty strong, just prone to fit issues due to difficulty keeping tolerances on both parts. Time will tell if the new system solves this issue.
I don't think we actually disagree! You are commenting on something different (intercompatibility) and I think that would be a great idea! A standardized fuse to mast connection doesn't preclude the concept of a "stub fuse" like Unifoil, Cabrinha and FOne have. I wish all brands would design around a simple, standard m8 connection (I prefer a simple butt joint with zero tolerance issues) and would use the stub fuse concept. Other than packability, there is zero reason for a joint in front of the mast connection - its more stiff and solid, and moves the fuse connection to an area that takes less stress (behind the mast).
I just like the idea of being able to vary the fuse length in front of - not just behind the mast. If the fuse is part of the wing, then mast to Wing CL distance is fixed...
What system allows for that? Takuma doesn't (unless this new gear does somehow). Also, other than stiffness, lengthening the fuse length behind the mast or in front of the mast is the same. Its just a matter of the distance between your front wing and stabilizer. Much easier to allow for a longer fuse with multiple tail positions (which I agree, all systems should allow for).
Select to expand quoteVelocicraptor said..gorgesailor said..Velocicraptor said..gorgesailor said..martyman said..Velocicraptor said..
Unfortunately the wings look sick. The fuse>wing connection appears to be improved (the shaping is more defined which should make it more solid, and the m8 connection is long overdue), but I can't figure out why any foil designer would have any connection ahead of the mast. FOne, Cabrinha, and Unifoil all connect the mast directly to the front wing in some form or fashion thereby eliminating a joint in an area that takes a lot of force.
That stabilizer connection is total BS. 5 minutes until someone comes out with a better fuse that has a flat connection leaving a whole bunch of useless Takuma fuses sitting around (again).
Why can't these guys seem to give the market what it wants? The wings are A+ but the easy stuff like connections, angles, etc... are just nonsensical. I was a fan, but I lost patience.
Agreed!
I disagree. I would like to see a standardized mast/fuse connection, fuse/wing connection, & stab fuse connection. This way different fuselage/masts/wings/stabs could be offered by the brand or 3rd parties & could be mixed & matched. There is no reason a strong Wing/fuse connection can't be engineered. In fact the current Takuma one is plenty strong, just prone to fit issues due to difficulty keeping tolerances on both parts. Time will tell if the new system solves this issue.
I don't think we actually disagree! You are commenting on something different (intercompatibility) and I think that would be a great idea! A standardized fuse to mast connection doesn't preclude the concept of a "stub fuse" like Unifoil, Cabrinha and FOne have. I wish all brands would design around a simple, standard m8 connection (I prefer a simple butt joint with zero tolerance issues) and would use the stub fuse concept. Other than packability, there is zero reason for a joint in front of the mast connection - its more stiff and solid, and moves the fuse connection to an area that takes less stress (behind the mast).
I just like the idea of being able to vary the fuse length in front of - not just behind the mast. If the fuse is part of the wing, then mast to Wing CL distance is fixed...
What system allows for that? Takuma doesn't (unless this new gear does somehow). Also, other than stiffness, lengthening the fuse length behind the mast or in front of the mast is the same. Its just a matter of the distance between your front wing and stabilizer. Much easier to allow for a longer fuse with multiple tail positions (which I agree, all systems should allow for).
I think we are still learning about the effect of mast to wing CL position... may turn out to be a useless variable & No current system allows for it - except with a separate fuse you can have a custom fuselage e.g Stringfellow etc.. Also, the Windfoil market has this with different fuselage lengths & positions offered like Starboard + & ++ fuse... just think having whole fuse separate adds more adaptability to the system.
Select to expand quoteTooMuchEpoxy said..
Don't know why people are complaining about availability of current gen stuff. Used market is about to be FLOODED! Yes, upgrade to the new hotness, send me your old wings!
Keep an eye out f a cheap 1095 f me Nick!
