Hi,
Apologies for another what board thread but I have had a good read through the other ones and not found what I'm looking for.
I am a 75 kg, long time surfer(prone and sup) and windsurfer. I have recently got into wind foiling and am loving it and also want to have a go at wingdinging.
Ideally I want a board that I can wing foil on but one that I can also stand up paddle foil on rolling swell/waves that you would not bother surfing.
I don't want to ever use it as a non foiling sup board.
I am thinking about a Naish s25 85l board which I think would be perfect for wing foiling, but is it too low volume to sup foil onto waves with?...presumably the board volume is irrelevant once you are flying through..
Any advice appreciated.
Thanks
Even at only 75 kgs I'm thinking the Hover 95 is going to be as small as you can go for Sup foiling.. Demo'ing is the only way to know for sure.. Where are you located?
I would second what Dave said.
I'm 88Kg and use the Hover 95 for wing which is the perfect volume for me, but too hard to Sup foil it. I can stand on it and paddle it semi submerged but you have no tracking speed, it's just too hard to catch waves. I would need the 110 to do both with one board.
At 75Kg the Hover 95 will be fine to wing and do able for SUP foil if you have good skills.
I'm 70kgs and am using a Smik slab (V1) custom. Its 95 litres and 6 ft long and paddles easily in a straight line unlike some of the newer, shorter dedicated wing boards. It's an easy board to learn to wing on too as it has of lot of stability due to its bottom shape. It's not a board that I have outgrown yet and I would likely keep it even when I go to a much smaller wing board.
At 75kg something like our 5'10 x 27.5 x 107L will be perfect. These are crazy light and full Molded PVC which even in the non carbon is lighter than mosts full carbon. They are super strong as well so hold up to all the punishment that learning the wing foiling can bring. The recessed deck gives a much more direct feel to the foil which means better control. These boards are perfect for wing foiling but also unreal for waves and downwind foiling.
www.oneoceansportsaustralia.com/shop/foil-downwind
For me i much prefer to have a bit more volume and when you are standing on the board with a wing in your hands the last thing you want is the board sinking under water making life even harder. We make a 6'1 x 26 x 85L but i find the 5'10 much easier and even though the 5'10 has more volume i can pump around and get up much easier on the 5'10 over the lower volume 6'1 and we look at about 5.5kg for a carbon 5'10 x 107L
I have the Naish Hover 85 and i weigh 75kg,wonderful Wingboard but i would not even try so SUPfoil it unless you are supergood at Supfoiling already.
I find it hard enough to balance on my knees when lifting the wing...
Even at higher volumes these short, boxy and soft edged foil boards are very demanding for SUP.
Unless you are already moving they will try to spin around the moment you start paddling into a wave,you need pretty good paddle skills.
I want to try it for prone foiling,i think it could work ok to learn at least.
Thanks for the replies.
I'm based in the U.K., South East (we don't seem to have a decent forum over here).
There is the OTC in Weymouth so I will get in contact and try some different sizes out and there are a few shops on the South coast that might have demo boards.
Is it too much of a compromise then trying to do 2 things with 1 board and would a 95 be non-ideal for the wing dinging part?
I am just trying to avoid filling the garage up with kit for another sport: I currently have 3 different wave boards for windsurfing, 3 different sup boards, 3 surf boards and a windfoil board.
I know you can never have too much kit but my wife does not agree!
Select to expand quotemcrt said..
I have the Naish Hover 85 and i weigh 75kg,wonderful Wingboard but i would not even try so SUPfoil it unless you are supergood at Supfoiling already.
I find it hard enough to balance on my knees when lifting the wing...
Even at higher volumes these short, boxy and soft edged foil boards are very demanding for SUP.
Unless you are already moving they will try to spin around the moment you start paddling into a wave,you need pretty good paddle skills.
Is it significantly different than a normal low volume sup board then? I have a 100l sup wave board which is quite thin with thin rails, If you stand on it when stationary it is really wobbly, paddle a few strokes just to get it moving before you stand up and it is much more stable. The key seems to be to keep moving.
I was hoping the wingfoil ones would be more stable to stand on as they are fatter and have the foil dangling underneath like an anchor, I find my 120l windfoil board is much easier to uphaul on than a 133l freeride board as the foil stops it tipping so much.
Select to expand quotepaul.j said..
At 75kg something like our 5'10 x 27.5 x 107L will be perfect. These are crazy light and full Molded PVC which even in the non carbon is lighter than mosts full carbon. They are super strong as well so hold up to all the punishment that learning the wing foiling can bring. The recessed deck gives a much more direct feel to the foil which means better control. These boards are perfect for wing foiling but also unreal for waves and downwind foiling.
www.oneoceansportsaustralia.com/shop/foil-downwind
For me i much prefer to have a bit more volume and when you are standing on the board with a wing in your hands the last thing you want is the board sinking under water making life even harder. We make a 6'1 x 26 x 85L but i find the 5'10 much easier and even though the 5'10 has more volume i can pump around and get up much easier on the 5'10 over the lower volume 6'1 and we look at about 5.5kg for a carbon 5'10 x 107L
How much do you weigh and do you use the 5'10 for downwinding?
Do you have a u.k./e.u importer?
Thanks
Select to expand quotemcrt said..
I want to try it for prone foiling,i think it could work ok to learn at least.
Is this not where you need extra length to generate the speed from prone paddling?
if you don't have a paddle and are doing it by hand I would think that you need some extra length to generate some glide to get you going, in which case, at least in theory, the shorter, fatter ones should be more suited to sup foiling?
Select to expand quoteSlightlyDamp said..mcrt said..
I have the Naish Hover 85 and i weigh 75kg,wonderful Wingboard but i would not even try so SUPfoil it unless you are supergood at Supfoiling already.
I find it hard enough to balance on my knees when lifting the wing...
Even at higher volumes these short, boxy and soft edged foil boards are very demanding for SUP.
Unless you are already moving they will try to spin around the moment you start paddling into a wave,you need pretty good paddle skills.
Is it significantly different than a normal low volume sup board then? I have a 100l sup wave board which is quite thin with thin rails, If you stand on it when stationary it is really wobbly, paddle a few strokes just to get it moving before you stand up and it is much more stable. The key seems to be to keep moving.
I was hoping the wingfoil ones would be more stable to stand on as they are fatter and have the foil dangling underneath like an anchor, I find my 120l windfoil board is much easier to uphaul on than a 133l freeride board as the foil stops it tipping so much.
If you are proficient at SUP then maybe a 95l wingboard would let you wing and supfoil happily.
The foil does provide a lot of stability, i did not have problems laterally when i had a 105l Gong Zuma.
But directional stability was zero when not moving...the board would just spin if i put any energy into the paddle stroke, makes it very hard to catch waves,maybe you will do better but it would be nice if you could try this type of SUP before deciding.
As for prone surfing the Naish...i have not done it yet,i am wingfoiling and standard surfing these days.
But i think it will paddle nicely into softwaves, lots of volume and width.Giant bodyboard almost.We'll see :)
I'm 73kg. My 5'11" Jimmy Lewis Flying V (105 litres) is ideal for both wingding and SUP foil surfing. Light and strong too.Paddling a short SUP with minimal yaw is just about getting the technique right and doesn't take too much practice.
Select to expand quoteSlightlyDamp said..paul.j said..
At 75kg something like our 5'10 x 27.5 x 107L will be perfect. These are crazy light and full Molded PVC which even in the non carbon is lighter than mosts full carbon. They are super strong as well so hold up to all the punishment that learning the wing foiling can bring. The recessed deck gives a much more direct feel to the foil which means better control. These boards are perfect for wing foiling but also unreal for waves and downwind foiling.
www.oneoceansportsaustralia.com/shop/foil-downwind
For me i much prefer to have a bit more volume and when you are standing on the board with a wing in your hands the last thing you want is the board sinking under water making life even harder. We make a 6'1 x 26 x 85L but i find the 5'10 much easier and even though the 5'10 has more volume i can pump around and get up much easier on the 5'10 over the lower volume 6'1 and we look at about 5.5kg for a carbon 5'10 x 107L
How much do you weigh and do you use the 5'10 for downwinding?
Do you have a u.k./e.u importer?
Thanks
Just contact the guys at the SUP co www.thesupco.com/ They are the importers for ONE in the UK and also have some of these boards on the way.
I am 77kg and the 5'10 is super easy Downwind!!
Select to expand quoteSlightlyDamp said..
Thanks for the replies.
I'm based in the U.K., South East (we don't seem to have a decent forum over here).
There is the OTC in Weymouth so I will get in contact and try some different sizes out and there are a few shops on the South coast that might have demo boards.
Is it too much of a compromise then trying to do 2 things with 1 board and would a 95 be non-ideal for the wing dinging part?
I am just trying to avoid filling the garage up with kit for another sport: I currently have 3 different wave boards for windsurfing, 3 different sup boards, 3 surf boards and a windfoil board.
I know you can never have too much kit but my wife does not agree!
You will have no worries getting one foil board to Downwind, wind wing and ride waves on. I do all 3 on our board no worries and even though we do make wind wing boards that just suit wind winging the difference is so small from our standard recess deck board that i never really bother riding one and 99% of the time just use my one board to do it all.
I think the question may depend on how small a board you are comfortable sup foiling. I have been mostly winging with my main sup foil....DeMarco 6.8x26 120L. I've tried smaller sup foils but found I don't enjoy the loss of paddling capability. Maybe in certain conditions but that is when I am prone foiling anyway.
For winging I've just downsized to a 5x23x5.5 75 L which works great. Feels like my surf foul once up. No way I could sup foil it but it could work for prone foil in a pinch. For winging the minimum is determined by what you can water start. But also, I wouldn't attempt this small board in light wind
Hope that helps?
Select to expand quotejuandesooka said..
I think the question may depend on how small a board you are comfortable sup foiling. I have been mostly winging with my main sup foil....DeMarco 6.8x26 120L. I've tried smaller sup foils but found I don't enjoy the loss of paddling capability. Maybe in certain conditions but that is when I am prone foiling anyway.
For winging I've just downsized to a 5x23x5.5 75 L which works great. Feels like my surf foul once up. No way I could sup foil it but it could work for prone foil in a pinch. For winging the minimum is determined by what you can water start. But also, I wouldn't attempt this small board in light wind
Hope that helps?
Do you mind me asking how much you weigh?
So is having a smaller board for wing ding foiling only really an advantage in higher winds?
Select to expand quotepaul.j said..SlightlyDamp said..paul.j said..
At 75kg something like our 5'10 x 27.5 x 107L will be perfect. These are crazy light and full Molded PVC which even in the non carbon is lighter than mosts full carbon. They are super strong as well so hold up to all the punishment that learning the wing foiling can bring. The recessed deck gives a much more direct feel to the foil which means better control. These boards are perfect for wing foiling but also unreal for waves and downwind foiling.
www.oneoceansportsaustralia.com/shop/foil-downwind
For me i much prefer to have a bit more volume and when you are standing on the board with a wing in your hands the last thing you want is the board sinking under water making life even harder. We make a 6'1 x 26 x 85L but i find the 5'10 much easier and even though the 5'10 has more volume i can pump around and get up much easier on the 5'10 over the lower volume 6'1 and we look at about 5.5kg for a carbon 5'10 x 107L
How much do you weigh and do you use the 5'10 for downwinding?
Do you have a u.k./e.u importer?
Thanks
Just contact the guys at the SUP co www.thesupco.com/ They are the importers for ONE in the UK and also have some of these boards on the way.
I am 77kg and the 5'10 is super easy Downwind!!
Thanks mate, I'll get in touch with them.
Select to expand quoteRosscoe said..
I'm 73kg. My 5'11" Jimmy Lewis Flying V (105 litres) is ideal for both wingding and SUP foil surfing. Light and strong too.Paddling a short SUP with minimal yaw is just about getting the technique right and doesn't take too much practice.
Thanks, not thought about the Jimmy Lewis ones, I'll have a look but I think they are hard to get in the U.K.
Incidentally, does any have a starboard wing board? No one seem to mention them much?
While I've see many Starboard SUP foils, I've yet to a wing board out on the water.
I too was trying to stick with one board that could be used for both SUP/Wing foiling. Unfortunately I live in place where lite winds prevail most of the year, hence a dedicated wing board worked best due to smaller size and substantially less weight, to get up on foil.
Starboard wing specific boards have only just been released. I've got the 2020 6'6 x 30 foil board and have been using it to learn wing ding, it's been great, relatively light, stable and super tough in the Starlite construction. Getting the new 5'8 x 25 wing specific board in the cheap lite-tech construction in a month or so - very excited !! All the 2021 Gear is up on the Starboard site now.
Select to expand quoteSlightlyDamp said..juandesooka said..
I think the question may depend on how small a board you are comfortable sup foiling. I have been mostly winging with my main sup foil....DeMarco 6.8x26 120L. I've tried smaller sup foils but found I don't enjoy the loss of paddling capability. Maybe in certain conditions but that is when I am prone foiling anyway.
For winging I've just downsized to a 5x23x5.5 75 L which works great. Feels like my surf foul once up. No way I could sup foil it but it could work for prone foil in a pinch. For winging the minimum is determined by what you can water start. But also, I wouldn't attempt this small board in light wind
Hope that helps?
Do you mind me asking how much you weigh?
So is having a smaller board for wing ding foiling only really an advantage in higher winds?
165lb...i think 75kg.
I rode a buddy's 5.9x22x3....incredibly tippy, could barely make it work. Comparatively the 5' so much easier...more thickness and a bit more width make it easy to kneel on.
Not as easy as a 120l though. I think the 5' would work in light wind too just a lot more work than a bigger board
