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Airush/Starboard Nitro wing and Hookipa material

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Created by Youngbreezy > 9 months ago, 10 Nov 2021
Youngbreezy
WA, 1207 posts
10 Nov 2021 8:52PM
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freewing.star-board.com/freewing-nitro-coming-spring-2022/

A very interesting offering from Airush/Starboard. Nice looking wing and looks like they are bringing out a competitor to Aluula material. Replacing the Dacron of the leading edge/strut and using it for canopy reinforcements!

I have been using Airush kites for around 5 years and in their kites they use canopy reinforcements, their dyneema load frame. I feel like this has helped maintain the shape of the canopy and increase durability over the years I have been using them.

I would have bought one of the V1 freewings when I first started but they had giant windows and they weren't using the load frame. Now I am excited to see this new wing with the new material, load frame and no massive bloody windows!

King Crash
NSW, 319 posts
11 Nov 2021 9:17AM
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Looks very similar to Cuben Fibre, either way - looks great!

I'd like to see some 3Di Raw leading edges, or even full wings. They'd be minutely heavier and last forever. I had someone tell me the 49er's recently swapped from a skiff cloth sail to 3Di Raw. They mentioned the skiff cloth would last a regatta at best, and the fractional gain in weight will allow them to have a season out of a suite of sails. Given 3Di Raw has been scaled down to moths would be cool to see if North brings it out in their next range too.

Either way, big fan of this development!

icharus
58 posts
9 Apr 2022 4:34PM
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Believe the hype - this thing pulls like it's a meter bigger than it is - light as a feather and crazy stiff.

Youngbreezy
WA, 1207 posts
9 Apr 2022 11:00PM
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Hi Icharus can you provide any more info please?
Haven't seen anything about these wings for months now and not sure if they are in production somewhere?

JohnnyTsunami
136 posts
11 Apr 2022 11:59AM
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Any reason the canopy can't be all dyneema? Wouldn't the Dacron canopy wing bag out just as fast as a full Dacron wing or faster if the frame is stiffer? You're just paying for a better performing wing until then?

A question about all these wings with different leasing edges (duotone, ocean rodeo).

PeterP
873 posts
11 Apr 2022 1:43PM
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I've been fortunate enough to form part of the Team that has been testing these wings. The new Hookipa LE material has allowed Freewing/Airush/Starboard to make the lightest wing on the market without any compromises (except perhaps on price, which is still going to come in well below Aluula).

Once you fly a wing this light you will not want to go back to anything close to traditional weight........and it has improved both low-end and top end, the 4m range is ridiculous.

The secret is the extra high pressure that the Hookipa allows for, whilst shaving off weight, apparently one was inflated to 40+Psi before it blew and I think in the end, the recommended pressure will be 10-12Psi. Adding the Loadframe will also extend life of wing considerably as has been proven on their kites for years.

I think they are still debating if they should bring out a version with windows as some customers want this, but if you want the ultimate feeling of lightness, the no-window version is the raw, no-compromise, solution. Transitions and flagging out is just so effortless.

Downwinding is as close to having nothing in your hand, as you'll get without tossing the wing.

hilly
WA, 7903 posts
11 Apr 2022 4:23PM
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What is the weight of a 5m?

King Crash
NSW, 319 posts
11 Apr 2022 7:13PM
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PeterP said..
I've been fortunate enough to form part of the Team that has been testing these wings. The new Hookipa LE material has allowed Freewing/Airush/Starboard to make the lightest wing on the market without any compromises (except perhaps on price, which is still going to come in well below Aluula).

Once you fly a wing this light you will not want to go back to anything close to traditional weight........and it has improved both low-end and top end, the 4m range is ridiculous.

The secret is the extra high pressure that the Hookipa allows for, whilst shaving off weight, apparently one was inflated to 40+Psi before it blew and I think in the end, the recommended pressure will be 10-12Psi. Adding the Loadframe will also extend life of wing considerably as has been proven on their kites for years.

I think they are still debating if they should bring out a version with windows as some customers want this, but if you want the ultimate feeling of lightness, the no-window version is the raw, no-compromise, solution. Transitions and flagging out is just so effortless.

Downwinding is as close to having nothing in your hand, as you'll get without tossing the wing.

Lots of questions and points to clarify!

40 psi is setting a benchmark - do you use different variants of bladders or can you use a standard?
I assume this was a max load test by the engineers, but then why only 10-12. Why not 20 as a industry leader?Are they stitching the leading edge? Or can they negate bladders entirely with plastic welded seams ?

If all the energy is going into focusing on leading edge, why is the canopy still cloth that will stretch in 6 months of use? Why put the energy into an ultralight weight leading edge of durability is negated in the canopy? Does that infer the leading edge is not durable?

Well aware you're just a team rider @PeterP. If you don't have the answers no stress.

hilly
WA, 7903 posts
11 Apr 2022 8:09PM
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Really surprised no one knows the weight even though they claim them to be light.

DB2
101 posts
11 Apr 2022 8:34PM
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The only wing-size I care about the weight is the 6m range. On inland lakes you have quite gusty winds and when it's low, you might en up slogging for 10 minutes. When the wind is enough to float the wing, the weight is not the problem. But especially with the bigger sizes I do not want to miss a window. It gets pretty crowded here and to me a good placed window is a safety issue.

David

Mikedubs
290 posts
11 Apr 2022 9:47PM
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PeterP
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11 Apr 2022 9:54PM
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Really surprised no one knows the weight even though they claim them to be light.


Out of memory the 3m is 1.4kg, 4m is 1.6kg and I think the 5m was under 2kg, stand to be corrected. Not sure wha the final product will be but around those numbers

Velocicraptor
820 posts
11 Apr 2022 10:38PM
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1.95 kg for the 5m vs 1.84 kg for 5m OR A-Series Glide (negligible difference). Very light!

I always thought the shape of the Airush wings was a bit odd. These look more swept than anything on the market. From my experience on other swept wings (vs boxier shape), they generally handle gusts well and have good top end, but are not grunty on the low end. Would like to try one of these vs the Glide.

PeterP
873 posts
11 Apr 2022 11:02PM
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PeterP said..
I've been fortunate enough to form part of the Team that has been testing these wings. The new Hookipa LE material has allowed Freewing/Airush/Starboard to make the lightest wing on the market without any compromises (except perhaps on price, which is still going to come in well below Aluula).

Once you fly a wing this light you will not want to go back to anything close to traditional weight........and it has improved both low-end and top end, the 4m range is ridiculous.

The secret is the extra high pressure that the Hookipa allows for, whilst shaving off weight, apparently one was inflated to 40+Psi before it blew and I think in the end, the recommended pressure will be 10-12Psi. Adding the Loadframe will also extend life of wing considerably as has been proven on their kites for years.

I think they are still debating if they should bring out a version with windows as some customers want this, but if you want the ultimate feeling of lightness, the no-window version is the raw, no-compromise, solution. Transitions and flagging out is just so effortless.

Downwinding is as close to having nothing in your hand, as you'll get without tossing the wing.


Lots of questions and points to clarify!

40 psi is setting a benchmark - do you use different variants of bladders or can you use a standard?
I assume this was a max load test by the engineers, but then why only 10-12. Why not 20 as a industry leader?Are they stitching the leading edge? Or can they negate bladders entirely with plastic welded seams ?

If all the energy is going into focusing on leading edge, why is the canopy still cloth that will stretch in 6 months of use? Why put the energy into an ultralight weight leading edge of durability is negated in the canopy? Does that infer the leading edge is not durable?

Well aware you're just a team rider @PeterP. If you don't have the answers no stress.


I believe the test was done using standard bladders (I was only testing, not part of design or building them so take with a pinch) and they are definitely stitched LE and I think the reason for not running at 20psi is to reduce stress on stitching itself and 12psi is already stiff as @#$%

The canopy's Loadframe negates a large part of the canopy stretching - there is currently not anything lighter and better than the Double-ripstop canopy being used and in combination with the Loadframe you get much longer life for absolutely min extra weight.

You can use x-ply to get stronger canopy, and the ones we tested were 2kg for a 4m with Hookipa and full x-ply. They will be super strong but then also slightly heavier.

They could take out the Loadframe and save a fraction but they decided it's already so light it was worth using the Loadframe as it extends life of of wing significantly - my Airush kites with Loadframe easily last 2-3x longer than normal kites.

I've been involved in testing the Hookipa material for more than a year (but I believe Airush and Starboard have been testing it for longer and in different versions) and the canopy still takes a bigger beating than the Hookipa material, so from what I've seen it's plenty durable.

King Crash
NSW, 319 posts
12 Apr 2022 7:13AM
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King Crash said..


PeterP said..
I've been fortunate enough to form part of the Team that has been testing these wings. The new Hookipa LE material has allowed Freewing/Airush/Starboard to make the lightest wing on the market without any compromises (except perhaps on price, which is still going to come in well below Aluula).

Once you fly a wing this light you will not want to go back to anything close to traditional weight........and it has improved both low-end and top end, the 4m range is ridiculous.

The secret is the extra high pressure that the Hookipa allows for, whilst shaving off weight, apparently one was inflated to 40+Psi before it blew and I think in the end, the recommended pressure will be 10-12Psi. Adding the Loadframe will also extend life of wing considerably as has been proven on their kites for years.

I think they are still debating if they should bring out a version with windows as some customers want this, but if you want the ultimate feeling of lightness, the no-window version is the raw, no-compromise, solution. Transitions and flagging out is just so effortless.

Downwinding is as close to having nothing in your hand, as you'll get without tossing the wing.



Lots of questions and points to clarify!

40 psi is setting a benchmark - do you use different variants of bladders or can you use a standard?
I assume this was a max load test by the engineers, but then why only 10-12. Why not 20 as a industry leader?Are they stitching the leading edge? Or can they negate bladders entirely with plastic welded seams ?

If all the energy is going into focusing on leading edge, why is the canopy still cloth that will stretch in 6 months of use? Why put the energy into an ultralight weight leading edge of durability is negated in the canopy? Does that infer the leading edge is not durable?

Well aware you're just a team rider @PeterP. If you don't have the answers no stress.



I believe the test was done using standard bladders (I was only testing, not part of design or building them so take with a pinch) and they are definitely stitched LE and I think the reason for not running at 20psi is to reduce stress on stitching itself and 12psi is already stiff as @#$%

The canopy's Loadframe negates a large part of the canopy stretching - there is currently not anything lighter and better than the Double-ripstop canopy being used and in combination with the Loadframe you get much longer life for absolutely min extra weight.

You can use x-ply to get stronger canopy, and the ones we tested were 2kg for a 4m with Hookipa and full x-ply. They will be super strong but then also slightly heavier.

They could take out the Loadframe and save a fraction but they decided it's already so light it was worth using the Loadframe as it extends life of of wing significantly - my Airush kites with Loadframe easily last 2-3x longer than normal kites.

I've been involved in testing the Hookipa material for more than a year (but I believe Airush and Starboard have been testing it for longer and in different versions) and the canopy still takes a bigger beating than the Hookipa material, so from what I've seen it's plenty durable.


Cheers for the response @PeterP - some very good insight here.

I can't speak for the Reedin Xply wing, but wouldn't 2kg be roughly the same weight as a normal Dacron LE. Given this wing will mostly be for races, sounds like a good combo to me.
Either way, sounds like a good wing. Looking forward to seeing it on the world tour and how it performs.

Tallboy
14 posts
13 Apr 2022 5:06PM
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Looks like they have landed in the UK
Review here
fb.watch/cmiMfcKANp/

DWF
708 posts
13 Apr 2022 6:49PM
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Not a fan of double rip stop canopy. Fall into the canopy a few times and it's totally blown out. Triple and quad rip stop canopies stay crispy and tight far longer.

PeterP
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13 Apr 2022 8:18PM
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DWF said..
Not a fan of double rip stop canopy. Fall into the canopy a few times and it's totally blown out. Triple and quad rip stop canopies stay crispy and tight far longer.


Triple and Quad is heavier - then you might as well opt for x-ply.

Using Loadframe with Double ripstop and the rip stops by the loadframe - it's a much better solution.

King Crash
NSW, 319 posts
13 Apr 2022 10:36PM
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Depends on the cloth weight. You could go down in 4ply to get the same as 2ply in a much stronger more robust method. There is no point in using a heavier weight 2ply cloth here then.

martyman
WA, 366 posts
14 Apr 2022 1:45PM
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Ya know, regarding the Canopy-I called the Local Sailing Loft fella with a great reputation around town. He quoted me about $400 to replace the canopy of a 5m Wing.

I currently have 40+ days on my 5m Allula Glide. I figure the airframe is about 85% as stiff as new which is impressive...and important!(I won't bother going into how I derived this metric).

That said, I will be replacing the canopy sometime in the future. The airframe is still way stiffer than any Dacron wing - by a longshot. I figure Dacron wings have about 20 sessions before getting bagged out and affecting performance (unless they are triple layered and heavy like tank.)
It will be interesting to see how the Hookipa holds up, and if they are able to use it as canopy material.
Ive tried an all Allula wing and it was really, really nice.

King Crash
NSW, 319 posts
14 Apr 2022 3:53PM
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martyman said..
Ya know, regarding the Canopy-I called the Local Sailing Loft who happens to be a Waterman himself. He quoted me about $400 to replace the canopy of a 5m Wing.

I currently have about 40 days on my 5m Allula Glide. I figure the airframe is about 80-85% as stiff as new which is impressive...and important!(I won't bother going into how I derived thes
I will be replacing the canopy sometime in the future, as the airframe is still way stiffer than any Dacron - by a longshot. I figure Dacron wings have about 20 sessions before getting bagged out and affecting performance.
It will certainly be interesting to see how the Hookipa holds up, and they are able to use it as canopy material.
Ive tried an all Allula wing and it was really, really nice.



I did the same Marty. I did a wing myself then had the rest of my wings done by a local loft. $420 a wing with spinnaker staysail cloth, it doesn't have a clear laminate like xply, rather a taffeta with Kevlar and technora yarns. Shape is incredible and very very fast 19.5 knots upwind, pointing as high as yachts. I reckon I'd do the same as you Marty, just buy a wing for the Aluula frame or equivalent.

rgmacca
457 posts
14 Apr 2022 3:35PM
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I love the idea of the new airframe materials but the cost puts me off. I think the Reeding xply with light stiff frame would be the way to go.
next thing will be a carbon frame and monofilm. Or did we do that windsurfing

martyman
WA, 366 posts
14 Apr 2022 10:48PM
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King Crash said..

martyman said..
Ya know, regarding the Canopy-I called the Local Sailing Loft who happens to be a Waterman himself. He quoted me about $400 to replace the canopy of a 5m Wing.

I currently have about 40 days on my 5m Allula Glide. I figure the airframe is about 80-85% as stiff as new which is impressive...and important!(I won't bother going into how I derived thes
I will be replacing the canopy sometime in the future, as the airframe is still way stiffer than any Dacron - by a longshot. I figure Dacron wings have about 20 sessions before getting bagged out and affecting performance.
It will certainly be interesting to see how the Hookipa holds up, and they are able to use it as canopy material.
Ive tried an all Allula wing and it was really, really nice.




I did the same Marty. I did a wing myself then had the rest of my wings done by a local loft. $420 a wing with spinnaker staysail cloth, it doesn't have a clear laminate like xply, rather a taffeta with Kevlar and technora yarns. Shape is incredible and very very fast 19.5 knots upwind, pointing as high as yachts. I reckon I'd do the same as you Marty, just buy a wing for the Aluula frame or equivalent.


Thats just terrific news really. The material you have on there sounds even better than the ripstop!

martyman
WA, 366 posts
14 Apr 2022 10:48PM
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King Crash said..

martyman said..
Ya know, regarding the Canopy-I called the Local Sailing Loft who happens to be a Waterman himself. He quoted me about $400 to replace the canopy of a 5m Wing.

I currently have about 40 days on my 5m Allula Glide. I figure the airframe is about 80-85% as stiff as new which is impressive...and important!(I won't bother going into how I derived thes
I will be replacing the canopy sometime in the future, as the airframe is still way stiffer than any Dacron - by a longshot. I figure Dacron wings have about 20 sessions before getting bagged out and affecting performance.
It will certainly be interesting to see how the Hookipa holds up, and they are able to use it as canopy material.
Ive tried an all Allula wing and it was really, really nice.




I did the same Marty. I did a wing myself then had the rest of my wings done by a local loft. $420 a wing with spinnaker staysail cloth, it doesn't have a clear laminate like xply, rather a taffeta with Kevlar and technora yarns. Shape is incredible and very very fast 19.5 knots upwind, pointing as high as yachts. I reckon I'd do the same as you Marty, just buy a wing for the Aluula frame or equivalent.


Thats just terrific news really. The material you have on there sounds even better than the ripstop!

gorgesailor
632 posts
15 Apr 2022 3:54AM
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King Crash said..

martyman said..
Ya know, regarding the Canopy-I called the Local Sailing Loft who happens to be a Waterman himself. He quoted me about $400 to replace the canopy of a 5m Wing.

I currently have about 40 days on my 5m Allula Glide. I figure the airframe is about 80-85% as stiff as new which is impressive...and important!(I won't bother going into how I derived thes
I will be replacing the canopy sometime in the future, as the airframe is still way stiffer than any Dacron - by a longshot. I figure Dacron wings have about 20 sessions before getting bagged out and affecting performance.
It will certainly be interesting to see how the Hookipa holds up, and they are able to use it as canopy material.
Ive tried an all Allula wing and it was really, really nice.




I did the same Marty. I did a wing myself then had the rest of my wings done by a local loft. $420 a wing with spinnaker staysail cloth, it doesn't have a clear laminate like xply, rather a taffeta with Kevlar and technora yarns. Shape is incredible and very very fast 19.5 knots upwind, pointing as high as yachts. I reckon I'd do the same as you Marty, just buy a wing for the Aluula frame or equivalent.


Interesting, sounds like the material they are using on the Takuma RS trailing edge...

King Crash
NSW, 319 posts
15 Apr 2022 7:32AM
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martyman said..

King Crash said..


martyman said..
Ya know, regarding the Canopy-I called the Local Sailing Loft who happens to be a Waterman himself. He quoted me about $400 to replace the canopy of a 5m Wing.

I currently have about 40 days on my 5m Allula Glide. I figure the airframe is about 80-85% as stiff as new which is impressive...and important!(I won't bother going into how I derived thes
I will be replacing the canopy sometime in the future, as the airframe is still way stiffer than any Dacron - by a longshot. I figure Dacron wings have about 20 sessions before getting bagged out and affecting performance.
It will certainly be interesting to see how the Hookipa holds up, and they are able to use it as canopy material.
Ive tried an all Allula wing and it was really, really nice.





I did the same Marty. I did a wing myself then had the rest of my wings done by a local loft. $420 a wing with spinnaker staysail cloth, it doesn't have a clear laminate like xply, rather a taffeta with Kevlar and technora yarns. Shape is incredible and very very fast 19.5 knots upwind, pointing as high as yachts. I reckon I'd do the same as you Marty, just buy a wing for the Aluula frame or equivalent.



Thats just terrific news really. The material you have on there sounds even better than the ripstop!


This is it - www.dimension-polyant.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/dp_Produktflyer_Code_Zero_Optic2_E_Web.pdf

I think I have a lighter and lower yarn count for weight reduction. It was the lightest cloth Dimension had. I think they told me it was $30ish a metre, so if you're keen, you could DIY. I'd be tempted to make a leading edge/centre strut. Just a matter of working out the shapes. The canopy is actually a very easy swap, plus for $400 +/- it's less than a used wing and will last many seasons to come

gorgesailor
632 posts
15 Apr 2022 5:58AM
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King Crash said..

martyman said..


King Crash said..



martyman said..
Ya know, regarding the Canopy-I called the Local Sailing Loft who happens to be a Waterman himself. He quoted me about $400 to replace the canopy of a 5m Wing.

I currently have about 40 days on my 5m Allula Glide. I figure the airframe is about 80-85% as stiff as new which is impressive...and important!(I won't bother going into how I derived thes
I will be replacing the canopy sometime in the future, as the airframe is still way stiffer than any Dacron - by a longshot. I figure Dacron wings have about 20 sessions before getting bagged out and affecting performance.
It will certainly be interesting to see how the Hookipa holds up, and they are able to use it as canopy material.
Ive tried an all Allula wing and it was really, really nice.






I did the same Marty. I did a wing myself then had the rest of my wings done by a local loft. $420 a wing with spinnaker staysail cloth, it doesn't have a clear laminate like xply, rather a taffeta with Kevlar and technora yarns. Shape is incredible and very very fast 19.5 knots upwind, pointing as high as yachts. I reckon I'd do the same as you Marty, just buy a wing for the Aluula frame or equivalent.




Thats just terrific news really. The material you have on there sounds even better than the ripstop!



This is it - www.dimension-polyant.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/dp_Produktflyer_Code_Zero_Optic2_E_Web.pdf

I think I have a lighter and lower yarn count for weight reduction. It was the lightest cloth Dimension had. I think they told me it was $30ish a metre, so if you're keen, you could DIY. I'd be tempted to make a leading edge/centre strut. Just a matter of working out the shapes. The canopy is actually a very easy swap, plus for $400 +/- it's less than a used wing and will last many seasons to come


Here is what Takuma is using...


King Crash
NSW, 319 posts
15 Apr 2022 9:39AM
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gorgesailor said..

King Crash said..


martyman said..



King Crash said..




martyman said..
Ya know, regarding the Canopy-I called the Local Sailing Loft who happens to be a Waterman himself. He quoted me about $400 to replace the canopy of a 5m Wing.

I currently have about 40 days on my 5m Allula Glide. I figure the airframe is about 80-85% as stiff as new which is impressive...and important!(I won't bother going into how I derived thes
I will be replacing the canopy sometime in the future, as the airframe is still way stiffer than any Dacron - by a longshot. I figure Dacron wings have about 20 sessions before getting bagged out and affecting performance.
It will certainly be interesting to see how the Hookipa holds up, and they are able to use it as canopy material.
Ive tried an all Allula wing and it was really, really nice.







I did the same Marty. I did a wing myself then had the rest of my wings done by a local loft. $420 a wing with spinnaker staysail cloth, it doesn't have a clear laminate like xply, rather a taffeta with Kevlar and technora yarns. Shape is incredible and very very fast 19.5 knots upwind, pointing as high as yachts. I reckon I'd do the same as you Marty, just buy a wing for the Aluula frame or equivalent.





Thats just terrific news really. The material you have on there sounds even better than the ripstop!




This is it - www.dimension-polyant.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/dp_Produktflyer_Code_Zero_Optic2_E_Web.pdf

I think I have a lighter and lower yarn count for weight reduction. It was the lightest cloth Dimension had. I think they told me it was $30ish a metre, so if you're keen, you could DIY. I'd be tempted to make a leading edge/centre strut. Just a matter of working out the shapes. The canopy is actually a very easy swap, plus for $400 +/- it's less than a used wing and will last many seasons to come



Here is what Takuma is using...



Very similar stuff @gorge. Looks like the Kevlar is painted black, so I'd say it's a similar family of cloth.

KiteBud
WA, 1601 posts
15 Apr 2022 11:15AM
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Hi All,

We're pretty excited to get our new Hookipa Ultra Team kites very soon and I can only imagine this will offer great performance for the wings as well!

As the main Airush importer in Australia, we are taking Airush/Starboard wing pre-orders for deliveries at the start of next summer. The deadline for ordering those is May 8. You can also pre-order AK foils, AK boards, etc.

if you'd like to place an order, please contact us soon chris@kitebud.com

Thanks

Christian - KiteBud

gorgesailor
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16 Apr 2022 12:42AM
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King Crash said..

gorgesailor said..


King Crash said..



martyman said..




King Crash said..





martyman said..
Ya know, regarding the Canopy-I called the Local Sailing Loft who happens to be a Waterman himself. He quoted me about $400 to replace the canopy of a 5m Wing.

I currently have about 40 days on my 5m Allula Glide. I figure the airframe is about 80-85% as stiff as new which is impressive...and important!(I won't bother going into how I derived thes
I will be replacing the canopy sometime in the future, as the airframe is still way stiffer than any Dacron - by a longshot. I figure Dacron wings have about 20 sessions before getting bagged out and affecting performance.
It will certainly be interesting to see how the Hookipa holds up, and they are able to use it as canopy material.
Ive tried an all Allula wing and it was really, really nice.








I did the same Marty. I did a wing myself then had the rest of my wings done by a local loft. $420 a wing with spinnaker staysail cloth, it doesn't have a clear laminate like xply, rather a taffeta with Kevlar and technora yarns. Shape is incredible and very very fast 19.5 knots upwind, pointing as high as yachts. I reckon I'd do the same as you Marty, just buy a wing for the Aluula frame or equivalent.






Thats just terrific news really. The material you have on there sounds even better than the ripstop!





This is it - www.dimension-polyant.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/dp_Produktflyer_Code_Zero_Optic2_E_Web.pdf

I think I have a lighter and lower yarn count for weight reduction. It was the lightest cloth Dimension had. I think they told me it was $30ish a metre, so if you're keen, you could DIY. I'd be tempted to make a leading edge/centre strut. Just a matter of working out the shapes. The canopy is actually a very easy swap, plus for $400 +/- it's less than a used wing and will last many seasons to come




Here is what Takuma is using...



Very similar stuff @gorge. Looks like the Kevlar is painted black, so I'd say it's a similar family of cloth.


Yeah think it's Technora...

King Crash
NSW, 319 posts
16 Apr 2022 8:35AM
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King Crash said..


gorgesailor said..



King Crash said..




martyman said..





King Crash said..






martyman said..
Ya know, regarding the Canopy-I called the Local Sailing Loft who happens to be a Waterman himself. He quoted me about $400 to replace the canopy of a 5m Wing.

I currently have about 40 days on my 5m Allula Glide. I figure the airframe is about 80-85% as stiff as new which is impressive...and important!(I won't bother going into how I derived thes
I will be replacing the canopy sometime in the future, as the airframe is still way stiffer than any Dacron - by a longshot. I figure Dacron wings have about 20 sessions before getting bagged out and affecting performance.
It will certainly be interesting to see how the Hookipa holds up, and they are able to use it as canopy material.
Ive tried an all Allula wing and it was really, really nice.









I did the same Marty. I did a wing myself then had the rest of my wings done by a local loft. $420 a wing with spinnaker staysail cloth, it doesn't have a clear laminate like xply, rather a taffeta with Kevlar and technora yarns. Shape is incredible and very very fast 19.5 knots upwind, pointing as high as yachts. I reckon I'd do the same as you Marty, just buy a wing for the Aluula frame or equivalent.







Thats just terrific news really. The material you have on there sounds even better than the ripstop!






This is it - www.dimension-polyant.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/dp_Produktflyer_Code_Zero_Optic2_E_Web.pdf

I think I have a lighter and lower yarn count for weight reduction. It was the lightest cloth Dimension had. I think they told me it was $30ish a metre, so if you're keen, you could DIY. I'd be tempted to make a leading edge/centre strut. Just a matter of working out the shapes. The canopy is actually a very easy swap, plus for $400 +/- it's less than a used wing and will last many seasons to come





Here is what Takuma is using...




Very similar stuff @gorge. Looks like the Kevlar is painted black, so I'd say it's a similar family of cloth.



Yeah think it's Technora...


Of course it is - just trying to keep it all simple!
Taffeta aramid mix is all you really need. No need for fold lines like the xply reedin, you can fold it as small as you possibly want!



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