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Created by shi thouse > 9 months ago, 5 Jul 2021
shi thouse
WA, 1151 posts
5 Jul 2021 9:21AM
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Help wanted from the brains trust....the rubber on the base plate of my Axis setup has come off. I have replaced it with new rubber but just cannot achieve a decent adhesion of the rubber to the aluminium. I have clean surfaces between both, and have been trying Sikaflex Contact Adhesive but after a session or two it starts coming off.

Would like some advice on what alternative glue I could use that would work.

Thanks folks!

paul.j
QLD, 3367 posts
5 Jul 2021 11:51AM
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shi thouse said..
Help wanted from the brains trust....the rubber on the base plate of my Axis setup has come off. I have replaced it with new rubber but just cannot achieve a decent adhesion of the rubber to the aluminium. I have clean surfaces between both, and have been trying Sikaflex Contact Adhesive but after a session or two it starts coming off.

Would like some advice on what alternative glue I could use that would work.

Thanks folks!


Try this stuff always works for anything I need stuck down.


J Foz
WA, 101 posts
5 Jul 2021 9:33PM
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Thanks from me also , I've been looking for a good reliable adhesive .??

Dspace
VIC, 320 posts
6 Jul 2021 2:36AM
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The rubber pad came off my Axis base plate as well. Don't know if they have anything related to this in Australia, but I used Loctite PL Marine Adhesive/Sealant. Has held up perfectly for the last 4 months

HBsups
79 posts
6 Jul 2021 2:33AM
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Got the same problem. Where did you guys get new rubber?

DWF
707 posts
6 Jul 2021 3:19AM
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This is designed for rubber to metal gluing. Used on car door seals.

www.permatex.com/products/specialized-maintenance-repair/body-interior-trim/permatex-super-weatherstrip-adhesive/?locale=en_us

shi thouse
WA, 1151 posts
6 Jul 2021 6:07AM
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HBsups said..
Got the same problem. Where did you guys get new rubber?


Went to Clark Rubber and bought some 1mm matting.

Clamsmasha
WA, 311 posts
6 Jul 2021 9:58AM
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3m Super77 spray is good for everything

Livit
WA, 542 posts
6 Jul 2021 5:13PM
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Clamsmasha said..
3m Super77 spray is good for everything


I second that

Mokuleia
68 posts
7 Jul 2021 5:27AM
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Shoegoo works well to bond traction pads back onto boards, could also work for your application, although it is a bit thick and hard to spread.




colas
5364 posts
7 Jul 2021 1:04PM
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MS Polymer or polyurethane glues work wonders, but you must be sure to apply them in the thinnest layer possible.

They are polymers that cure with moisture, so if the glue layer is thick, its outside will cure first, forming a waterproof layer that will prevent curing in the middle, and the glue won't hold. That's the main reason I have seen when people failed to glue things with these glues.

Clamsmasha
WA, 311 posts
7 Jul 2021 9:02PM
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colas said..
MS Polymer or polyurethane glues work wonders, but you must be sure to apply them in the thinnest layer possible.

They are polymers that cure with moisture, so if the glue layer is thick, its outside will cure first, forming a waterproof layer that will prevent curing in the middle, and the glue won't hold. That's the main reason I have seen when people failed to glue things with these glues.


The way I use polyurethane glue for small areas like the OP's is to put a blob of glue on a plastic plate, mist with a spray bottle and mix quickly and thoroughly before spreading on and clamping or bagging.

Have to be quick because it foams rapidly and and can make it hard to clamp accurately without the two pieces walking around.

colas
5364 posts
8 Jul 2021 1:41PM
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Clamsmasha, it works and it is practical, but it is not as strong as a thin layer. The "foamy" part is not very strong, what "shi thouse" was looking for.

E.g: "Parts being glued with polyurethane needs to have a tight fit to be strongly joined. polyurethane is not a good gap filler. Although it is sometimes advertised as gap filling, tests show that strength is reduced when the glue line is thick. When setting it froths up and the froth, although gap filling, is not strong."

www.christinedemerchant.com/adhesive-glue-polyurethane.html
Or he could just use epoxy, but it will harder to remove if needed.

shi thouse
WA, 1151 posts
8 Jul 2021 2:46PM
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So I have ended up using:
www.permatex.com/products/specialized-maintenance-repair/body-interior-trim/permatex-super-weatherstrip-adhesive/

I had little success with the Sikaflex Contact Adhesive....however, I have to admit a big fault on my behalf. Not thinking at the time, but I applied the adhesive to both clean faces (aluminium and rubber pad) and gave them time to dry (off-load their solvents) before bringing together. The major issue, and it only occurred to me whilst I was trying to get the old adhesive off the aluminium face to ready it for the new rubber was there was no old adhesive stuck to the old rubber.

So hopefully this time, after rubber the shiny surface off the new rubber face with 240 grit and to hence score the new surface that this time the adhesive may hold!

Rookie error!



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