Really liking the sounds of this, a hybrid could potentially be the best of both worlds.keeping the low end grunt but really extending the top end. The claim here is a 30% increase on top end without decreasing low end. That's a big claim. The PT skins already have good range extending that top end could be next level. Coming from kitesurfing I am really looking for that kite like performance from a parawing. I am used to riding 5, 6 or 7 in winds over 30 knots, I kinda feel like parawings should be able to hold that kind of top end as well. Not saying I'd use that size pwing in those winds but having really good top end, especially in a 4m size would be very useful to me. I have been thinking of upgrading my 4.2 Dwing, might have to wait till these have dropped before I do.
Anyway here's the FB link
www.facebook.com/share/1DUUGwKkiW/?mibextid=wwXIfr
and here's the spiel from 777
For the first time, we're sharing the very first images of our upcoming P.T. Hybrid, set to see the light of day in January.
Built on our extensive experience with both double-skin and single-skin parawing designs, the P.T. Hybrid brings the best of both worlds into one wing. Featuring the same short line length as the P.T. Skin and a 50% double-surface leading edge, it delivers outstanding upwind performance without sacrificing ease of use.
Thanks to lightweight materials and a carefully balanced structure, the wing packs down compactly, redeploys effortlessly, and most importantly, gets you upwind with a stable, controlled, and confidence-inspiring ride. Compared to our single-skin designs, the wind top end is increased by approximately 30%, without sacrificing the low end that you rely on to get going.
The full release is planned for January, with the website and complete technical details going live at the same time.
2026 is shaping up to be the year where performance is finally tamed into a parawing that's powerful, efficient, and easy to handle.
?? Follow us and stay tuned as we reveal more details, specs, and on-water footage in the coming weeks. #triplesevenkites #parawing
I feel like these guys might be just rushing products into the market without adequate testing and trimming. Lots of good sounding words but after my experience with how bad the UDW 5.6m is I would definitely want to demo anything of theirs before parting with $$
Interesting, what issues are you having with the UDW? There really hasn't been much info about the UDW at all. The PT skin has had tons of great reviews. I bought a 3m PT skin just based off reviews and was very happy with it. Then I bought a 5.4m pt skin as well because I really liked the 3m. I have only had 1 session on the 5.4 so far but it definitely feels like a great wing.
777's original twin skin PW seemed like a flop. Then they kinda nailed it with the PT skin. Now the UDW I thought it was a bit too soon to get reviews but I'd definitely be interested to hear your thoughts gradient
Select to expand quoteYoungbreezy said..
777's original twin skin PW seemed like a flop. Then they kinda nailed it with the PT skin. Now the UDW I thought it was a bit too soon to get reviews but I'd definitely be interested to hear your thoughts gradient
I tried the initial 777 PT double skin on land and found it tricky to fly and pack down but only used it for 5min, so not even close to a fair test. I bought the 3M PT skin and absolutely love riding it. Light, good upwind, easy to fly and easy to pack down into a tiny bundle. Nearly bought the 4M UDW but hearing mixed opinions (Ozone PowerPack on its way to me soon). Looking forward to hearing reports on the 777 hybrid; seems like that could be the way forward for wind range, upwind, and still maintaining a decent pack-down size.
Select to expand quoteYoungbreezy said..
Interesting, what issues are you having with the UDW? There really hasn't been much info about the UDW at all. The PT skin has had tons of great reviews. I bought a 3m PT skin just based off reviews and was very happy with it. Then I bought a 5.4m pt skin as well because I really liked the 3m. I have only had 1 session on the 5.4 so far but it definitely feels like a great wing.
777's original twin skin PW seemed like a flop. Then they kinda nailed it with the PT skin. Now the UDW I thought it was a bit too soon to get reviews but I'd definitely be interested to hear your thoughts gradient
The handling on the UDW is shockingly bad, it has a very heavily braked trailing edge that isn't released when trimming the bar for speed so as soon as the wing falls back a little it wants to go all the way and fully stall. This means in gybes it always falls behind an either stops you dead or re-engages with a massive sturge to the front of the wind window. It shows this behaviour in the re-deploys as well, if it doesn't engage the airflow high enough in the window it stalls first and then surges. You cannot de-power by hanging off the A lines because it collapses (the front bar extension therefore makes no sense) so your de-power is to edge hard which is fairly limiting in wind range for this size wing so the effective wind range where it's actually a comfortable ride is tiny. I'm not a reflex trimming expert but my guess is this wing has little to no reflex to push the centre of pressure further back from the leading edge to get more bottom end power. All the best new wings have quite a lot of reflex which is why the leading edge is almost impossible to collapse while riding and gives you all that de-power. The Ozone Power Pack solved the bottom end power with a deeper camber and has a huge top end due to the leading edge stability. The UDW has the opposite with a very shallow camber which would be good for upper end speed but because it collapses already at 15/16 knots that potential top end isn't usable. I did find a wind window of a few knots where it does ride nicely as long as you're hooked in where the leading edge is stable and you're not over-powered so this is a very specific toy. It definitely doesn't do what it says on the box and I remember quite a few disappointed folks trying to re-trim the original PT which is why I think 777 is rushing products into the market without enough testing and refinement which is disappointing for a premium priced product.
Damn, sorry to hear about your experience with it. I came *really* close to ordering the UDW over the pt skin, phew.
Select to expand quoteGradient said..Youngbreezy said..
Interesting, what issues are you having with the UDW? There really hasn't been much info about the UDW at all. The PT skin has had tons of great reviews. I bought a 3m PT skin just based off reviews and was very happy with it. Then I bought a 5.4m pt skin as well because I really liked the 3m. I have only had 1 session on the 5.4 so far but it definitely feels like a great wing.
777's original twin skin PW seemed like a flop. Then they kinda nailed it with the PT skin. Now the UDW I thought it was a bit too soon to get reviews but I'd definitely be interested to hear your thoughts gradient
The handling on the UDW is shockingly bad, it has a very heavily braked trailing edge that isn't released when trimming the bar for speed so as soon as the wing falls back a little it wants to go all the way and fully stall. This means in gybes it always falls behind an either stops you dead or re-engages with a massive sturge to the front of the wind window. It shows this behaviour in the re-deploys as well, if it doesn't engage the airflow high enough in the window it stalls first and then surges. You cannot de-power by hanging off the A lines because it collapses (the front bar extension therefore makes no sense) so your de-power is to edge hard which is fairly limiting in wind range for this size wing so the effective wind range where it's actually a comfortable ride is tiny. I'm not a reflex trimming expert but my guess is this wing has little to no reflex to push the centre of pressure further back from the leading edge to get more bottom end power. All the best new wings have quite a lot of reflex which is why the leading edge is almost impossible to collapse while riding and gives you all that de-power. The Ozone Power Pack solved the bottom end power with a deeper camber and has a huge top end due to the leading edge stability. The UDW has the opposite with a very shallow camber which would be good for upper end speed but because it collapses already at 15/16 knots that potential top end isn't usable. I did find a wind window of a few knots where it does ride nicely as long as you're hooked in where the leading edge is stable and you're not over-powered so this is a very specific toy. It definitely doesn't do what it says on the box and I remember quite a few disappointed folks trying to re-trim the original PT which is why I think 777 is rushing products into the market without enough testing and refinement which is disappointing for a premium priced product.
Thanks for your honest and detailed feedback Gradient. It certainly sounds like you have put some time and thought into using this wing but it hasn't turned out well.
By chance I stumbled across this video of the 5.6 UDW that shows a lot of the characteristics you're talking about. Also in the video you can see how thin and flimsy looking the leading edge is, the leading edge is collapsing in what appears to be quite light wind.
Also worth mentioning, I asked the 777 team on FB to clarify what they meant about an extra 30% top end. They confirmed that size for size comparison to a PT skin the hybrid would get an extra 30% top end wind range as long as your using a harness and have decent flying skills.
have the PTskin 5.4 and really love how it flies... EXCEPT if you manage to catch a leading edge tip roughly on the surface and force a half liter of water into the tiny last closed cell!
Even with tons of wind in the rest of the wing... i have a hard time getting the water to DRAIN drain from the tiny mesh screen in the bottom the the last closed cell! most seems they should have put that mesh "drain" Material along the bottom of the last TWO cells maybe??
i love the light material of this thing but it's amazing how half a liter of water can make it almost totally "stuck" on whichever side of the wind window that you filled with H2O! ????
Select to expand quotekyrojoe said..
have the PTskin 5.4 and really love how it flies... EXCEPT if you manage to catch a leading edge tip roughly on the surface and force a half liter of water into the tiny last closed cell!
Even with tons of wind in the rest of the wing... i have a hard time getting the water to DRAIN drain from the tiny mesh screen in the bottom the the last closed cell! most seems they should have put that mesh "drain" Material along the bottom of the last TWO cells maybe??
i love the light material of this thing but it's amazing how half a liter of water can make it almost totally "stuck" on whichever side of the wind window that you filled with H2O! ????
I use a 3 and 4 m2 PT Skin. And that happens to me from time to time.
I solved it by learning to gently tug the D-line at the opposite end and the wing pops up from the water immediately. And you can get going and the water simply drains.
Select to expand quotekyrojoe said..
have the PTskin 5.4 and really love how it flies... EXCEPT if you manage to catch a leading edge tip roughly on the surface and force a half liter of water into the tiny last closed cell!
Even with tons of wind in the rest of the wing... i have a hard time getting the water to DRAIN drain from the tiny mesh screen in the bottom the the last closed cell! most seems they should have put that mesh "drain" Material along the bottom of the last TWO cells maybe??
i love the light material of this thing but it's amazing how half a liter of water can make it almost totally "stuck" on whichever side of the wind window that you filled with H2O! ????
I've recently got the 5.4 m PT skin and after a few sessions am noticing some leading edge collapse when the wind picks up and it is well powered up.I have my hand quite far forward on the bar to help depower it , so not sure if this is contributing to the behaviour - anyone else seen this or is there a technique to keeping the canopy stable ?No such behaviour with my 3m PT skin - which is a great to fly when the wind is nuking.
Select to expand quoteWindWaterSailAU said..kyrojoe said..
have the PTskin 5.4 and really love how it flies... EXCEPT if you manage to catch a leading edge tip roughly on the surface and force a half liter of water into the tiny last closed cell!
Even with tons of wind in the rest of the wing... i have a hard time getting the water to DRAIN drain from the tiny mesh screen in the bottom the the last closed cell! most seems they should have put that mesh "drain" Material along the bottom of the last TWO cells maybe??
i love the light material of this thing but it's amazing how half a liter of water can make it almost totally "stuck" on whichever side of the wind window that you filled with H2O! ????
I've recently got the 5.4 m PT skin and after a few sessions am noticing some leading edge collapse when the wind picks up and it is well powered up.I have my hand quite far forward on the bar to help depower it , so not sure if this is contributing to the behaviour - anyone else seen this or is there a technique to keeping the canopy stable ?No such behaviour with my 3m PT skin - which is a great to fly when the wind is nuking.
I have had the leading collapsing a bit on the 5.4m when flying it on the beach in strong winds. I haven't really had it when riding though and have had it out in up to about 20knots
The solution to the leading edge collapsing is to maintain a bit more even line pressure. Edge harder to draw the wing forward in the window which will help to depower it. Of course if you're too overpowered to hold the edge you might need to change down.
Select to expand quoteYoungbreezy said..WindWaterSailAU said..kyrojoe said..
have the PTskin 5.4 and really love how it flies... EXCEPT if you manage to catch a leading edge tip roughly on the surface and force a half liter of water into the tiny last closed cell!
Even with tons of wind in the rest of the wing... i have a hard time getting the water to DRAIN drain from the tiny mesh screen in the bottom the the last closed cell! most seems they should have put that mesh "drain" Material along the bottom of the last TWO cells maybe??
i love the light material of this thing but it's amazing how half a liter of water can make it almost totally "stuck" on whichever side of the wind window that you filled with H2O! ????
I've recently got the 5.4 m PT skin and after a few sessions am noticing some leading edge collapse when the wind picks up and it is well powered up.I have my hand quite far forward on the bar to help depower it , so not sure if this is contributing to the behaviour - anyone else seen this or is there a technique to keeping the canopy stable ?No such behaviour with my 3m PT skin - which is a great to fly when the wind is nuking.
I have had the leading collapsing a bit on the 5.4m when flying it on the beach in strong winds. I haven't really had it when riding though and have had it out in up to about 20knots
The solution to the leading edge collapsing is to maintain a bit more even line pressure. Edge harder to draw the wing forward in the window which will help to depower it. Of course if you're too overpowered to hold the edge you might need to change down.
Your tips were spot on, had a much better session on the 5.4m today.Thanks !!
