Axis have come up with low aspect surf foils the Spitfire, Code and Uni foil went high aspect without sacrificing low end. do you have a comparison impression you can share here.
Can depend on what kind of surf foiling we are talking about but for me if I want to just go out and pump around link waves for an hour or so and still have good turning then I use my 1049 www.oneoceansportsaustralia.com/one-foils/1049-ha-all-around
This is my fun wing and why I do this sport, I can pump forever and still drive some nice turns and hold a good speed while doing it all.
Here are some stats of a session where I did 17km of just wave after wave.
Not any of the brands you mentioned but the wings and Masts will fit on an Axis fuse so I guess it's still works.
If I want to drive harder turns or go in say 4ft surf and over I will go down to the 870 which I can still pump around for a few Kms but I do have to carry a little more speed all the time.
Thats good to know, but just wasted space and a shameless plug for your product. Whats needed here is something we can all relate to.
I've ridden all three in the surf, for surf pumping here's my thoughts:
Unifoil > Code > Spitfire
Unifoil is the easiest to pump and most forgiving while also being fast.
Code is more technical to pump but a great foil if you have the skills.
Spitfire is more medium aspect and therefore forgiving but I found somewhat hard to keep pumping because it's slower/draggier.
Rode Axis/ Armstrong for over a year while learning to prone foil and struggled to pump back out. Became super frustrating watching mates pump past you paddling back out.
Jumped on my mates Uni set up and was able to immediately pump back and link waves - game changer for me due to the forgiving ability to pump and grave dig. Ultimately, I am happy to sacrifice a little speed (coming from axis and Armstrong) to remain on foil and link more waves.
Started on the P170 but now riding the P140 and can't go back to the P170 (turns slower than 140). Fuse/ tail combos will change the feel/ carve/ pitch etc but for now I am very stoked with the generic P140/ Medium fuse/ 14.5 tail.
the new armstrong HA has to be put in the mix now - with uni and code. It's probably closer to the code technical wise. There is also the F one eagles that should be considered in the mix of these higher aspect surf foils you are talking about. Then it comes down to what foil characteristics suite you. The unifoil is definetely the easiest to access pump
prowess out of all of these.
Surf doc Steve is always trying new stuff and unaffiliated.
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Select to expand quoteIcebergmansion said..
I've ridden all three in the surf, for surf pumping here's my thoughts:
Unifoil > Code > Spitfire
Unifoil is the easiest to pump and most forgiving while also being fast.
Code is more technical to pump but a great foil if you have the skills.
Spitfire is more medium aspect and therefore forgiving but I found somewhat hard to keep pumping because it's slower/draggier.
I moved from Unifoil Progression (p125 and p170) to Code (720s and 980s)I pretty much agree with this, the uni had more glide and pump and was generally an easier ride.The code has less glide and requires more work (turning and pumping to maintain momentum) so isn't a beginners foil. Having said that it handles waves with a bit of power a lot better than the uni setup which would max out pretty quickly and is very predictable through it's whole speed range.
Select to expand quoteFoilmate said..
Rode Axis/ Armstrong for over a year while learning to prone foil and struggled to pump back out. Became super frustrating watching mates pump past you paddling back out.
Jumped on my mates Uni set up and was able to immediately pump back and link waves - game changer for me due to the forgiving ability to pump and grave dig. Ultimately, I am happy to sacrifice a little speed (coming from axis and Armstrong) to remain on foil and link more waves.
Started on the P170 but now riding the P140 and can't go back to the P170 (turns slower than 140). Fuse/ tail combos will change the feel/ carve/ pitch etc but for now I am very stoked with the generic P140/ Medium fuse/ 14.5 tail.
Foilmate, what shim and tails do you like to contro the pitchiness of the P170 and P140. I'm using the G10 14 Shiv and Shunt with med fuse, foil in front of the box and can't get the pitchiness stabilized. I had ridden a bunch of other foils and like the P170/140 for most things like pumping and slow speed turning but once I hit any kind of medium speed, turbulence, or power it breaches or dives.
Select to expand quotedrc13 said..Icebergmansion said..
I've ridden all three in the surf, for surf pumping here's my thoughts:
Unifoil > Code > Spitfire
Unifoil is the easiest to pump and most forgiving while also being fast.
Code is more technical to pump but a great foil if you have the skills.
Spitfire is more medium aspect and therefore forgiving but I found somewhat hard to keep pumping because it's slower/draggier.
I moved from Unifoil Progression (p125 and p170) to Code (720s and 980s)I pretty much agree with this, the uni had more glide and pump and was generally an easier ride.The code has less glide and requires more work (turning and pumping to maintain momentum) so isn't a beginners foil. Having said that it handles waves with a bit of power a lot better than the uni setup which would max out pretty quickly and is very predictable through it's whole speed range.
Uni progression by all accounts is a pretty adaptable foil, but ya do have to definitely consider the designer and conditions a foil was birthed from/suits... Progression was spawned in soft Florida surf with a larger expert 90 kg rider. I've heard another Uni is in development aimed at juicier conditions. Code foils on the other hand, were designed by an elite 80 kg rider in juicier conditions.
Select to expand quotehalfwaythere said..Foilmate said..
Rode Axis/ Armstrong for over a year while learning to prone foil and struggled to pump back out. Became super frustrating watching mates pump past you paddling back out.
Jumped on my mates Uni set up and was able to immediately pump back and link waves - game changer for me due to the forgiving ability to pump and grave dig. Ultimately, I am happy to sacrifice a little speed (coming from axis and Armstrong) to remain on foil and link more waves.
Started on the P170 but now riding the P140 and can't go back to the P170 (turns slower than 140). Fuse/ tail combos will change the feel/ carve/ pitch etc but for now I am very stoked with the generic P140/ Medium fuse/ 14.5 tail.
Foilmate, what shim and tails do you like to contro the pitchiness of the P170 and P140. I'm using the G10 14 Shiv and Shunt with med fuse, foil in front of the box and can't get the pitchiness stabilized. I had ridden a bunch of other foils and like the P170/140 for most things like pumping and slow speed turning but once I hit any kind of medium speed, turbulence, or power it breaches or dives.
I have found the best set up for the Uni 140 P is with the small fuse with the 13.5 P tail and a 1.5 positive shim. With most boards base plate set in the middle of the tracks. ??????
Select to expand quoteMr Soft Serve said..halfwaythere said..Foilmate said..
Rode Axis/ Armstrong for over a year while learning to prone foil and struggled to pump back out. Became super frustrating watching mates pump past you paddling back out.
Jumped on my mates Uni set up and was able to immediately pump back and link waves - game changer for me due to the forgiving ability to pump and grave dig. Ultimately, I am happy to sacrifice a little speed (coming from axis and Armstrong) to remain on foil and link more waves.
Started on the P170 but now riding the P140 and can't go back to the P170 (turns slower than 140). Fuse/ tail combos will change the feel/ carve/ pitch etc but for now I am very stoked with the generic P140/ Medium fuse/ 14.5 tail.
Foilmate, what shim and tails do you like to contro the pitchiness of the P170 and P140. I'm using the G10 14 Shiv and Shunt with med fuse, foil in front of the box and can't get the pitchiness stabilized. I had ridden a bunch of other foils and like the P170/140 for most things like pumping and slow speed turning but once I hit any kind of medium speed, turbulence, or power it breaches or dives.
I have found the best set up for the Uni 140 P is with the small fuse with the 13.5 P tail and a 1.5 positive shim. With most boards base plate set in the middle of the tracks. ??????
I use medium fuse and no shim
I assume you mean wave riding with a wing (vs prone). I went from the Uni progressions (and hyper2s) to the AFS Silks. In my opinion, the only Progression that is suited for winging is the P125. The others are just too slow and range-bound. The P125 was a lot more high performance, fast and fun for me, and still pumps quite well for its size. Kind of counterintuitive, but I liked the P140 in hectic conditions where I wanted to add control and slow things down, but it just doesn't have the range when you want it to be fast.
I'm still fairly new on the AFS setups, but I am loving them so far. The range on both the 1050 and 850 is a lot better than the Progressions. I'm nowhere near reaching the potential of these foils, but they feel extremely sporty and also very intuitive at the same time. They breach MUCH better than the progressions, which allows me to ride them much more aggressively. As far as pumping, my early take is that they aren't quite as easy as the progressions, but I may still be adjusting my technique for them. The AFS mast also feels a lot faster with stiffness equal to or better than the Katana. When I get high on the AFS mast (which I am comfortable doing given how nicely the foil breaches) it just feels incredibly efficient.
I felt like I needed a lot of foils to match my conditions with the Unifoil line, given how range-bound they were. I feel like the AFS silks are a lot more versatile and I can cover the same range of conditions with two foils that I needed 3-4 of the Uni setups to cover.
My $0.02.
Agree PP125 is the choice for winging among Uni.
Speaking of Silks you should try the 650, that's a fantastic wing with an awesome range
If I did it again, now that I know how much range these foils have I would consider doing the 650 and 1050. That said, I haven't really found the top end on the 850 yet, so its suiting me just fine. Really want to try the pure 1100 for downwind now too (off topic).
