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Created by airborn74 > 9 months ago, 19 Feb 2009
airborn74
WA, 14 posts
19 Feb 2009 10:11PM
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hello to everyone.. i have just started windsurfing.... its not easy starting off but with time i am sure i will get the hang of it.. i used to sail red witches in south perth when i was younger... now to step up and try this windsurfing.. i see you guy boot it on the water looks like alot of fun..
I have been to nedlands and lucky bay 3 times now.. every time i have been out so many nice people willing to give advice and help out which is great to see.. thanks for all the people out their welling to give up some time to help us out to the new sport.

i have got myself some second windsurfer just to see if i enjoy it.. i have a drops mb14 board which is 173 litre with a 5.5m sail.. the first board i had was a 120 litre found it very hard to get up and go.. so i will keep that on the side to i get hang of the 173 litre.. any advice out their about starting off would be great.. thanks

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
19 Feb 2009 10:26PM
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Welcome airborn
Good idea with the bigger board. Never the less, in a while you will be looking for something back at that range as your skills improve.
Try to keep at it over Winter, you will see a few down there at Lucky Bay when winds blow enough for a blast.
Mineral

airborn74
WA, 14 posts
19 Feb 2009 10:35PM
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hello mineral1 yes i found that lucky bay was the best spot to start off from wide area and the winds seem alot better to learn in... i must stay its alot of hard work up hauling the rig all the time.. will build up my guns with no problems..
i was amazed last time i was at lucky bay their was 2 world champions cutting it up great to see..

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
19 Feb 2009 10:39PM
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airborn74 said...

hello mineral1 yes i found that lucky bay was the best sport to start off from wide area and the winds seem alot better to learn in... i must stay its alot of hard work up hauling the rig all the time.. will build up my guns with no problems..
i was amazed last time i was at lucky bay their was 2 world champions cutting it up great to see..


sent you a PM.

decrepit
WA, 12776 posts
19 Feb 2009 10:59PM
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airborn74 said...

>>>>>>.. i must stay its alot of hard work up hauling the rig all the time.. >>>>>>


I keep saying this, "you don't have to learn by uphauling, you can learn to beach start/water start straight away".
It's a bit harder at first, because you don't actually sail for a few sessions, BUT you can learn much faster.

Start a bit underpowered, practice flying the sail 1st. Then put back foot on board, kick with the front foot, push sail up and pull your back foot towards you. DON'T try and get up, concentrate on keeping the board at 90deg to the wind, go 20/30m at first then turn around and come back.
Learning to come back, is the most important!
When you have that sussed, try a bit more power, (stronger wind or bigger sail, not too strong at first, that makes it hard work). If you are still underpowered you can point downwind a little, push the sail as high as you can, kick strongly with the front foot, (mind the fin) to raise yourself as high as possible, and try to pull the board underneath you. Once the board is directly underneath you can then push down on it and stand up. Pushing on the board before it's underneath will result in the back going downwind, and you falling back in the water.
If you have too much power, the board can point downwind more it goes downwind the more likely it becomes that you'll get thrown over the front.
That's why it's important to practice keeping the board at 90deg first.

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
19 Feb 2009 11:24PM
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If you want to learn to waterstart, then try to learn how to gybe. The two are intimately related

Greenroom
WA, 7608 posts
19 Feb 2009 11:29PM
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Doing forward loops are easier to learn than gybes

Mark _australia
WA, 23479 posts
20 Feb 2009 12:00AM
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Greenroom said...

Doing forward loops are easier to learn than gybes


Tell that to my left shoulder

hardpole
WA, 608 posts
20 Feb 2009 1:27AM
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Greenroom said...

Doing forward loops are easier to learn than gybes


Can I swap

silvec01
WA, 644 posts
20 Feb 2009 10:35AM
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Has Mineral signed you up for the GPS speed challenge yet???.......

rob101
WA, 66 posts
20 Feb 2009 1:58PM
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forget learning to gybe,

get waterstarting. the minute you can do that get on the ocean, have some fun - gybing will come with practice and time - so dont let it hold you back.

Windxtasy
WA, 4017 posts
21 Feb 2009 2:49PM
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bit off topic aren't we?

Welcome to windsurfing Airborne, and I hope to see you doing jumps like in your profile pic real soon.

It's a fun sport good for all round fitness, but beware it is mightily addictive!
You might find you spend all your non sailing time talking about windsurfing on these forums.

Feel free to ask for help. Windsurfers arevery helpful people.

Captn Scooby
WA, 62 posts
21 Feb 2009 3:16PM
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Hi airborn74, welcome to the sport.. like windxtasy said it can be quite addictive, but I'm sure you'll find that out for yourself pretty soon if you haven't already.

I'd also suggest checking out Safety Bay while you're learning. The wind there is much more constant than in the river, and it makes learning so much easier. I wished that I had done that sooner in my learning curve, lots of helpful people down there too.

See you on the water!

airborn74
WA, 14 posts
21 Feb 2009 6:58PM
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wow thanks guys for all the advice... was amazed to see so many reply's.
ok i thought up hauling was the first thing you do.. its good to know now that i can start on the waterstart which i see all the time i am out on the river... next week i will have some extra time to head down and start the water start....
whats the best wind conditions for learning (10-15 knots or more) and in the winter time i have just got my self a wet suit...
so is it easy to do water starts on the beach or river or doesn't matter?

Windxtasy
WA, 4017 posts
22 Feb 2009 3:04PM
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airborn74 said...

wow thanks guys for all the advice... was amazed to see so many reply's.
ok i thought up hauling was the first thing you do.. its good to know now that i can start on the waterstart which i see all the time i am out on the river... next week i will have some extra time to head down and start the water start....
whats the best wind conditions for learning (10-15 knots or more) and in the winter time i have just got my self a wet suit...
so is it easy to do water starts on the beach or river or doesn't matter?


Start with beach starts rather than deep water water starts, and get someone to teach you. (Whether a professional or just someone at the beach) You'll struggle on your own. Rig control is the key. Start with flat water - river or Safety Bay. 10 - 15 kts would be best for learning.
You will get frustrated. You will want to swear and curse. It isn't easy at first, but it is worth it.

Good luck!

decrepit
WA, 12776 posts
22 Feb 2009 10:31PM
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Yep windxtasy is spot on.
Waterstarting is the hard fast way, uphauling is the slow easy way, (providing you do both of them correctly)

you can learn uphauling by following a book, but waterstarting it's a bit more important to have guidance from somebody who knows what they're doing.
Water starting is counter intuitive, your natural way to get up is to pull on the sail and push on the board.
This is exactly wrong!
You have to push up the sail and pull the board towards you, while keeping the board at 90deg to the wind.
Easier said than done, but once you have it a whole new world opens up.
It means you now have enough sail control for the harness and footstraps, small boards, higher winds, waves, etc..

Muzza12
NSW, 546 posts
23 Feb 2009 12:41PM
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decrepit said...

airborn74 said...

>>>>>>.. i must stay its alot of hard work up hauling the rig all the time.. >>>>>>

I keep saying this, "you don't have to learn by uphauling, you can learn to beach start/water start straight away".


And when you get stuck one day when the wind drops and you can't water-start, you'll probably wish you had followed the tried and tested way of every instructor, instructional video/DVD/Book. Learning each step in sequence will make your progression much faster in the long run. If it seems like hard work uphauling, then you've probably got back technique (as we all did when we started), try a lesson with an experienced instructor. Even just one lesson will make a big difference.
Above all, have fun!

Windxtasy
WA, 4017 posts
23 Feb 2009 5:11PM
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Yes, it is important to be able to uphaul even in choppy water because sometimes you have to if there is not enough wind to water start or you are too tired or whatever.

airborn74
WA, 14 posts
23 Feb 2009 6:40PM
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thanks every one thats great advice you have all given me...
i will go for a lesson which i think is a great idea...
i will now start working on the water start, keep trying to i get it right..
where do i find info on what fins to have,what size ect...and what size of the sail to use in different type of conditions?

decrepit
WA, 12776 posts
23 Feb 2009 7:37PM
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Muzza12 said...
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And when you get stuck one day when the wind drops and you can't water-start, you'll probably wish you had followed the tried and tested way of every instructor,>>>>>>>


Well depends what discipline you end up in, but most guys here go straight to a small wave board, and never have uphauls connected anyway.
In most of their cases learning to uphaul, and sail big boards is just a waste of time.
That's where my advice is coming from.
But if you're going to be going out in light winds with floaty boards, and big sails, being able to uphaul is almost mandatory.

Windxtasy
WA, 4017 posts
24 Feb 2009 10:20AM
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airborn74 said...

thanks every one thats great advice you have all given me...
i will go for a lesson which i think is a great idea...
i will now start working on the water start, keep trying to i get it right..
where do i find info on what fins to have,what size ect...and what size of the sail to use in different type of conditions?


Do a search on this forum.
It's all there somewhere.

Muzza12
NSW, 546 posts
24 Feb 2009 11:35PM
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That's a fair call decrepit, although, I only wave-sail and I have an uphaul. It doesn't get used often but from time to time it comes in handy... even on a 74 litre Evil Twin.
But I can see where you're coming from.

decrepit
WA, 12776 posts
24 Feb 2009 10:47PM
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Yep, well I've seen one of my mates uphaul, waist deep in water, without an uphaul!
He just grabbed the mast at the closest point to him.
I have trouble just sailing if the nose goes underwater, let alone uphaul.
I bought myself an uphaul last month, for when we go after distance, on big gear, in light fluky winds. First one I've owned for many years.

stone
WA, 243 posts
30 Mar 2009 12:34PM
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hi Airbourne, You and me are in the same boat. been at it for a bit now but because of circumstances hevn't been out for a couple of months. I've struggled with the water start. very frustrating. But iam gettin there. I spose we just need to listen to others and take their advice. just keep at it but make sure you enjoy it.
this windsurfing 's the best sport eva.

airborn74
WA, 14 posts
31 Mar 2009 12:06AM
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hello stone.. great to see you enjoying yourself.. where abouts do you windsurf? might see you out some time.. i started water starts i must say getting a bigger board help me alot..

stone
WA, 243 posts
2 Apr 2009 1:12PM
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hi Airbourne, iam in esperance, haven't been much wind down here this last week.
Just have to wait now for the odd storm front to come through. I use a 120l freeride board and will be back out there as soon as i can.



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