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Seabreeze.com.au's bad week

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Created by theWaterBoy > 9 months ago, 11 Feb 2010
theWaterBoy
WA, 225 posts
11 Feb 2010 4:16PM
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I have to say that , in my personal opinion, i think this has been the worst week I have ever seen for Seabreeze's perth wind forecast.

be it the Doppler effect of some other strange phenomenon, those promised green arrows are like chameleons - changing the yellow as the forecast greens approach.

WindWarrior
NSW, 1019 posts
11 Feb 2010 8:19PM
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Wwwwww, waterboy

Move to NSW for, lets say 4 weeks... then realize the goodness that is WA when it comes to wind.

Home sick... you bet !

jh2703
NSW, 1224 posts
11 Feb 2010 10:38PM
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Waterboy, I've been on holidays in WA for the past 11 days....It's been nothing short of awesome. So far we've only had 2 days where we could not sail....Needed the rest anyway. You should try living on the east coast, you'd return back to WA real quick.
Come up to Geraldton...It's been a blast.

Do you believe in the weather man?
So why would you believe in the Seabreeze forecast so much?

It gets everyone so excited and then just lets you down.

theWaterBoy
WA, 225 posts
11 Feb 2010 9:03PM
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jh2703 said...

Waterboy, I've been on holidays in WA for the past 11 days....It's been nothing short of awesome. So far we've only had 2 days where we could not sail....Needed the rest anyway. You should try living on the east coast, you'd return back to WA real quick.
Come up to Geraldton...It's been a blast.

Do you believe in the weather man?
So why would you believe in the Seabreeze forecast so much?

It gets everyone so excited and then just lets you down.


Dont get me wrong, I love WA and have a great season, just compared to my observations on every other week for the last couple of years (yes gross over exageration for poetic license) this week's seabreeze forecasts for perth (not gero) have been pretty really off the mark.

(And glad you are loving your time in Gero - we are truly blessed to have such great locations on our coast.

ozpricey
WA, 333 posts
11 Feb 2010 11:00PM
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I'm gonna stick up for waterboy. It said as of mon it'd be firin', alas the 4.3 had to be exchanged for the 8.8. I think I'm gonna stick to the daily forecast from now on otherwise I know the evil seabreeze crystal ball is going to shatter my hopes of 25kn arvo's all week.

I refer you to this pic:


http://www.edopter.com/images_user/ideas/200903/ox3L7Y




yamigee
WA, 20 posts
12 Feb 2010 9:07AM
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theWaterBoy said...

I have to say that , in my personal opinion, i think this has been the worst week I have ever seen for Seabreeze's perth wind forecast.

be it the Doppler effect of some other strange phenomenon, those promised green arrows are like chameleons - changing the yellow as the forecast greens approach.


it's that pesky coriolis effect again

Leech
WA, 1933 posts
12 Feb 2010 12:22PM
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The more wind you see on the forecast, the more often you come back to try to understand why there isn't really wind and the more you look at the advertising.

I'd say it's $eabreeze's good week?!

theWaterBoy
WA, 225 posts
12 Feb 2010 2:13PM
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Well, at least its back on today!!

busterwa
3782 posts
12 Feb 2010 9:00PM
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i used other sites and the but unfortunatly the maps were just as in accurate,
i believe there is sites used by the americas cup people but you have to pay and im pretty sure the accuracy is just as eccentric.
mabe its not the site its just a bad year for wind

Rider5
WA, 567 posts
12 Feb 2010 11:46PM
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Leech said...

The more wind you see on the forecast, the more often you come back to try to understand why there isn't really wind and the more you look at the advertising.

I'd say it's $eabreeze's good week?!


What advertising I just tune out to all that cr4p it's a bit like watching the TV the ads come on and I fade out and switch of.

Oh...oops... I just realized while I was typing, it's hits on the site that generate good looking stats for the advertisers to think that many people may see there ad.

laurie
WA, 3858 posts
15 Feb 2010 6:18PM
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Everybody is entitled to a 100% refund.

It's true, no weather service is perfect, and one that claims to be is ignoring nature.

It's kind of like when you tell your wife you won't be windsurfing on her birthday , but then it get's windy on the day and you need to adapt. ... did this make your forecast of the days activities wrong, or has the situation changed?

When I started the site 12 years ago, there was no "internet", and it was built out of frustration of having nothing, and driving to the beach all the time. The forecasts (3 per day, numerous parts of the country, 7 days out ) are pretty close, most of the time.

Hope you find this article interesting, it shows the history of weather forecasting by humans...

www.seabreeze.com.au/Articles/Miscellaneous/A-history-of-weather-discovery_1216853.aspx

Oh, and here's a nifty article to give insights into the forecast, and why it might not be perfect. Click on the forecast, and it takes you to the Synoptics..

This article gives a primer for Synoptics

www.seabreeze.com.au/info/wind.asp

laurie
WA, 3858 posts
15 Feb 2010 6:26PM
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Leech said...

The more wind you see on the forecast, the more often you come back to try to understand why there isn't really wind and the more you look at the advertising.


Whoa .. that's a pretty dark outlook, when 98% of the site screen space is non-advertising related.

Some guys even have a conspiracy theory going that the green arrows are posted to keep people "coming back". What they haven't thought about is all the fishermen/boaters who visit the site. For every "windy day", there's an opposite side who want it "non-windy"....

Sheesh...

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
15 Feb 2010 6:37PM
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laurie said...

Leech said...

The more wind you see on the forecast, the more often you come back to try to understand why there isn't really wind and the more you look at the advertising.


Whoa .. that's a pretty dark outlook, when 98% of the site screen space is non-advertising related.

Some guys even have a conspiracy theory going that the green arrows are posted to keep people "coming back". What they haven't thought about is all the fishermen/boaters who visit the site. For every "windy day", there's an opposite side who want it "non-windy"....

Sheesh...




You lost or sumfink

busterwa
3782 posts
15 Feb 2010 7:39PM
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well thanks for the hosting and everything laurie!!!! your a legend
You know the saying goes!!!
If the boys weren't complaining there would be something wrong

busterwa
3782 posts
15 Feb 2010 8:03PM
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laurie
WA, 3858 posts
15 Feb 2010 8:38PM
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lol. I wish.

Ever from what I understand, YouTube, Facebook & Twitter all lose money every year (YouTube loses ~ $500 million each year)

If YouTube wasn't owned by the Goog, it would have vapourised years ago...


I see realsurf (a great aussie surfing forum) are trying to find a way to make ends meet & keep the site online by seeking $ from users:

forum.realsurf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16972


Leech/Mikey (Rider5) .. you've known me from the very start, and have been using the site for 10+ years .. how much $ should I put you down for? (still need the paint job on that board you made for me fixed as well Mikey... )

ozpricey
WA, 333 posts
16 Feb 2010 12:19AM
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laurie said...




LOL. Stolen from one of your links regarding ^

There's a famous (longwinded) quote from a Bob Ryan - a meteorologist who was getting bagged out by the media at the time.

In 1982 he wrote "Imagine a rotating sphere that is 12,800 kilometers in diameter, has a bumpy surface, is surrounded by a 40-kilometer-deep mixture of different gases whose concentrations vary both spatially and over time, and is heated, along with its surrounding gases, by a nuclear reactor 150 million kilometers away. Imagine also that this sphere is revolving around the nuclear reactor and that some locations are heated more during one part of the revolution and other locations are heated during another part of the revolution. And imagine that this mixture of gases continually receives inputs from the surface below, generally calmly but sometimes through violent and highly localized injections. Then, imagine that after watching the gaseous mixture, you are expected to predict its state at one location on the sphere one, two, or more days into the future. This is essentially the task encountered day by day by a weather forecaster."

Or, as we like to say, "The forecast was right, it's the weather that got it wrong!"

Leech
WA, 1933 posts
16 Feb 2010 9:23AM
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laurie said...

Leech said...

The more wind you see on the forecast, the more often you come back to try to understand why there isn't really wind and the more you look at the advertising.


Whoa .. that's a pretty dark outlook, when 98% of the site screen space is non-advertising related.

Some guys even have a conspiracy theory going that the green arrows are posted to keep people "coming back". What they haven't thought about is all the fishermen/boaters who visit the site. For every "windy day", there's an opposite side who want it "non-windy"....

Sheesh...


No doubt, the amount of advertising on this site is appropriate, most of it's relevant to water users and it's often context specific - ie. Windsurfing ads in the windsurfing forum. No problems with it at all.

Obviously there are bills to pay and we'd all be cut deep if the site had to close

It's no wonder you generate green arrows to keep up the traffic (*kidding*)

hmmm... I wonder if I reverse the arrow colours I'll see the opposite forecast - we all love green arrows!

Love you, Laurie.

crabs
18 posts
16 Feb 2010 9:30AM
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theWaterBoy's got a point;

why has the 7 day forecast been showing green arrows for most of summer, even on 37+ degree days? We all know from experience that if there's a trough, it's hot with no sea breeze.

Are the forecasters just having a bet each way?

laurie
WA, 3858 posts
16 Feb 2010 9:42AM
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crabs said...

theWaterBoy's got a point;
why has the 7 day forecast been showing green arrows for most of summer, even on 37+ degree days? We all know from experience that if there's a trough, it's hot with no sea breeze.


And what's been even odder is that it's actually has been windy on a lot of those days, which has really surprised me. Most unusual. Still, it is dodgy wind to go out in, as you have a good chance of getting stuck if it turns offshore.

laurie
WA, 3858 posts
16 Feb 2010 9:43AM
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Leech said...
It's no wonder you generate green arrows to keep up the traffic (*kidding*)


You'll see I've rustled some up for you for the 5-7 day outlooks

Leech
WA, 1933 posts
16 Feb 2010 10:02AM
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Thanks, you're the man

Windxtasy
WA, 4017 posts
16 Feb 2010 10:02AM
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Gratitude +1

I love seabreeze.
I remember the days when windsurfers would sit at the beach waiting for the seabreeze to come in. Sometimes it never did. Now we can plan our day knowing the approximate time the breeze is expected to be sailable and wait at home getting useful things done until the wind reaches an appropriate strength at our fave location, then hop in the car and go.

...and lets face it, even if there are only red arrows, with windsurfers being the eternal optimists they are, we keep coming back to check the graphs in the hope that things improve.

Greenroom
WA, 7608 posts
16 Feb 2010 10:48PM
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Hey Laurie, remember those days when Hardie, Reli, a few others and I use to run a riot in the forums
I remember someone telling me that you thought that we would cause you to go under hahaha

laurie
WA, 3858 posts
17 Feb 2010 4:18PM
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May still happen..

poor relative
WA, 9106 posts
17 Feb 2010 6:25PM
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Greenroom said...
I remember someone telling me that you thought that we would cause you to go under hahaha


I don't remember that but i do remember something about you hardie and going down...

theWaterBoy
WA, 225 posts
18 Feb 2010 8:42PM
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Seeing as I started this thread I think I should set the record straight a little.

Firstly, we all have bad weeks - the subject heading was really to reflect my observation that Seabreeze forecast is usually really - just the time that I started the thread I found the week bizarre in that each day started out with strong greens and ended up in weak yellows... it was bad in comparison to the good forecasts normally.

Secondly, I have to confess that I hate the site - which is why I feel obliged to check the forecast / wind observations and windsurfing forums every 15 minutes

Thirdly, in my opinion the advertising is 1) subtle 2) sparce and 3) laurie would be well within his rights and commecially it would make sense to thread the forums with advertising like many other comparable forums - realsurf comes to mind.

Finally, if the site did disapear I may get a part of my life back...

Keep up the great work....



PS. For clarification any negative comments above are tongue in cheek



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